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General Discussion => Country Fire Service => Topic started by: rescue5271 on October 01, 2006, 08:09:39 AM
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we had a report of a rubbish fire at 0120hrs today only 6 members turned up,while on my way to the station I could see flames and a large glow in the night sky looked like a good going house fire. as we rocked up turns out to be a very high bonfire in the middle of houses and going well... so yes pagers also make problems where members pick what they want to go to.......
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Really i have no problems with a VOLUNTEER choosing which calls they attend. Yes its a real pain in the donkey but this is not a paid job!
If we choose not to get out of bed or miss spending time with our families for just once or a couple of times then whats wrong with that! Yes some people are dedicated and will attend anything to protect their community (me included) but sometimes other things are more important and until we are paid firefighters i dont see a problem!
And even a certain retained fire service where the firefighters are paid have people pick and choose calls!
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are not most call pickers people who want to go to an intresting job, not a boring one? that is how i see them. and quit with the "we are only volunteers" :x
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yeah Im sick of hearing that line too, people always say it.
The certain retained paid members have to be careful as the have to pick and choose at least 50% of the calls.
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So your saying no matter what a particular VOLUNTEER is up to they should respond to whatever call is on the pager.
Ok lets put this is perspective.
A mother of three kids is parked outside the school waiting for her kids to finish school and her pager goes off for a Domestic Fire, Cat up tree, MVA doesnt really matter.
Should she
A) Zoom off to the station and help her community and leave her kids to walk 10kms home or wait around till she gets back.
B) Pick her kids up and take them home.
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A father is enjoying a few hours with his kids at home after not seeing them for a few weeks and the pager goes off.
Should he....
a) Zoom off to the station
b) stay home with his kids
and there is so many other situations where CFS has to take a back seat!
and really if someone is at home doing nothing and they choose not to respond well so be it but i would think most volunteers would attend the station as why would they be in the CFS?
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A) Zoom off to the station and help her community and leave her kids to walk 10kms home or wait around till she gets back.
B) Pick her kids up and take them home.
Kids need excercise these days, and it depends how old they are. if they are young, it is not a matter of picking and choosing calls, it is simple, she cant go, so she doesnt. but if they are older, it is simple, she can go so she should.
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A father is enjoying a few hours with his kids at home after not seeing them for a few weeks and the pager goes off.
Should he....
a) Zoom off to the station
b) stay home with his kids
well again, it is a matter of you can or you cant, not a maybe.
and really if someone is at home doing nothing and they choose not to respond well so be it but i would think most volunteers would attend the station as why would they be in the CFS?
well it does not happen, people pick and choose calls because they intrest them.
it is simple, if you can go, GO, and if you cant dont.
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Camo,. you just gave two bone choices where it is obvious a person cant go to a call out, although ask my mum she went to a call out when she had to pick me up from school. :lol:
But you cant just give two obvious they cant go posts and use that as your argument.
John Slob is sitting at home watching the footy, his pager goes off, he reads it says investiage smoke, he luaghs puts it back and orders a beer.
John Slob is watching the footy 20mins later, his pager goes off it says going commercial fire, John Slob jumps up and runs to the station. Thats right John SLob is in running distance to the station but he went against a smoke investigation.
Oh and guess what, that smoke investigation was for a commercial fire. Onya Johnny...
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serves him right :-D
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it does and you know whats funnier.
John Slob was told to go home because he had drunk a beer! CFS has a zero booze policy.
Onya Johnny...
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Camo--change your name to John Slob
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I believe the alcohol policy is zero (0.0) for driving (which also complies with Truck and emergency vehicle driving requirements), and what would be considered a .05 policy with crew... As i'm guessing there are not BAC machines in stations, I would assume it would be up to the individuals / OIC to know which crew are able to attend.
Clear trend of persons in this thread who obviously don't have dependants.. It is not as easy as "go to everything" !
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No one is saying "Go to everything", just that if you join a volunteer emergency service, you sign up to be there when the pagers go off. Yeah sometimes you CANT be there, but looking at the pager and saying "I don't feel like it" is bollocks.
There have been times when we've had a couple of jobs in a night. Private Alarms? Yeah maybe 4-6 'regulars' show up. Then an RCR with confirmed entrapments? Domestic/Commercial Fire? Wow! 15-20 people!
It sucks.
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If people are unavailable to go to a call, why should they be any more available 5 minutes after when the MORE CREW REQUIRED page comes in? Clearly they WERE available, and chose not to go....
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If people are unavailable to go to a call, why should they be any more available 5 minutes after when the MORE CREW REQUIRED page comes in? Clearly they WERE available, and chose not to go.
Wrong.
Say it's 1430, on a tuesday afternoon... What ever response is sent out, to which ever brigade...
Previously an employer tells his CFS Volunteering employee, " I don't mind if you attend calls, but please only leave work if they require extra or additional crew "..
The member was not available when the first page goes out..
BUT
Is after the second...
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Of course, but if John Slob will only go to the smoke sighting when more crew are requested, Johnny is doing his brigade a dis-service is he not?
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If people are unavailable to go to a call, why should they be any more available 5 minutes after when the MORE CREW REQUIRED page comes in? Clearly they WERE available, and chose not to go.
Wrong.
Say it's 1430, on a tuesday afternoon... What ever response is sent out, to which ever brigade...
Previously an employer tells his CFS Volunteering employee, " I don't mind if you attend calls, but please only leave work if they require extra or additional crew "..
The member was not available when the first page goes out..
BUT
Is after the second...
But surely you know the rough times that your brigade can and can't crew. For us? 0730 - 0930, lucky to get three or four people. Plus, what is stopping the person who is employed, responding to the station, and then if there are enough crew, returning to work? Surely we are meant to have a truck out the door as soon as possible.
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Many reasons I can think of.. - If he/she is one of 4 people left at the station after the truck roles, he/she could have stayed at work where he is both employed and paid to be..
Is it *really* that hard to understand? People work. So they organise with work to attend if extra crew is required (truck a few mins late is better than no truck).. But having a job the next day is better than not having a job the next day...
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Call Picking such as the John slob example isn't great but it happens especially when you have a frequent fixed alarm.
But the reason you have a brigade of 20+ people is so everyone goes to a few of the incidents. I don’t know how it works in brigades that are busy but that is how my station works.
Another consideration is the time of the day.
And the personal considerations such as do you have problems with RCR
Lastly certain members can only come to fires during work hours if the BA operators might be needed.
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And when you have a brigade of 40+ and its the same 10 people regularly...
No issue with people not coming to RCR's etc.
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Ok it shouldn't be the same people every time. But I don't see a way to fix this. :?
I think it comes down to some people being more dedicated than others. and that happens in every organisation.
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heres my view;
if your AVAILABLE, then respond regardless of incident type (key word = available)....
mind you it does scheiße me that you get maybe 3-4 for an alrm, where as soon as the pager says "RCR" or "domestic" etc, then every man and his dog turns out... and ive had people admit that to my face "nah, i couldnt be bothered coming just for an alarm.
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alright,
I have said this before - not every member of the CFS gets a boner when the pager goes off.
Sometimes, I just don't feel like going to a callout. No one for a second question my commitment to the service, as I put in a lot of additional time to my brigade and the service. I have only done it once (for a rubbish fire) but there are days when im at home or wherever where i occasionally think "hope the pager doesn't go off".
You lot can say what you want about this, because i dont care. this is my view on things and if you disagree, good on you.
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I think it was said best in the tv show "FireFlies"
"You are a volunteer until you answer the pager then you become part of a team" something along those lines anyway.
Im with everyone here...i get annoyed by crew picking and choosing calls BUT i feel as a volunteer its your right to not come to a callout if you choose not too.
Yes the examples i used were weighted towards my side of the arguement but what kind of debater would i be if i helped the other side win?
Yes the community is affected if someone doesnt turn up but its that volunteers choice whether they want to respond and i will always support that.
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Yes Camo, its definitely the volunteers' choice whether they come or not, I think that freedom should never be removed... It'd just be nice if some people decided to come more often ;)
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Solution=Bring back the TONE ONLY PAGER :wink:
That'll *#o*X them
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Yes Camo, its definitely the volunteers' choice whether they come or not, I think that freedom should never be removed... It'd just be nice if some people decided to come more often ;)
Says the man who only shows up during daylight hours :wink:
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Solution=Bring back the TONE ONLY PAGER :wink:
Nope, you have to know what you are responding too.
Maybe people need to take it up in their stations, talk to the brigade members and tell them there is a job to do and unless you are not commited to repsonding when available then dont respond. They obviously want some action like us all but if they arent prepared to do the crap jobs why should they only get a chance at the interesting jobs. If someone says they cant be bothered turning up to an alarm to your face tell them that theyre a knob and that they will become a John Slob and miss that time when it is something cool.
Onya Johnny...
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i dont know about the rest of you guy but what really filtered me off is the few that turn up for 99.9% of calls turn up for 99.9% of training as well the rest of the people walk in WHEN EVER they feel like it and think they own the place!
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Tone only pagers :-o i dont think so as they only go off once and you must remember that some volunteers are farmers who dont always hear the pager go off a first time
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Solution=Bring back the TONE ONLY PAGER :wink:
Nope, you have to know what you are responding too.
Why? Don't you ring MFS/SHQ anyway to confirm response and to get more details?
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no idea, I wanna know what IM responding too though.
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Why? So you make the choice to stay or go? :wink:
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:lol: I just wanna know what Im going too.
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you will find out when you get to the station
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I fully Agree with the tranning problems. It is very good to know what you are going to befor you leave home because then you have a rough Idea how long you will be away for.
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Nope, you have to know what you are responding too.
Maybe people need to take it up in their stations, talk to the brigade members and tell them there is a job to do and unless you are not commited to repsonding when available then dont respond. They obviously want some action like us all but if they arent prepared to do the crap jobs why should they only get a chance at the interesting jobs. If someone says they cant be bothered turning up to an alarm to your face tell them that theyre a knob and that they will become a John Slob and miss that time when it is something cool.
Onya Johnny...
Im guessing your station has no problems recruiting if you can tell those that dont attend calls to piss off!
Id rather some vollies not turn up to the small jobs and have heaps turn up to a big job!
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But then the poor people who roll out of bed at 3am for those false alarms, dont get on the truck for 'the big one' due to everyone coming out of the wood work :P
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Didnt someone say Its all about the community in the end or something? If not i just did
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we usually get a crew apart from daytime when everyone works and we are short on drivers.
Are you supporting John Slobs who turn out to onyl what they want camo? Of course we are going to roll whoever turns up but it is not fair to those who are there for the community for any issue rather than those who want to get in on the big action only. You want to be there for the community, be there all the time for them then.
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I think Camo is supporting the fact we are volunteers..
And if you miss the truck for the big one because all the people come out the woodwork, then count yourself lucky they don't attend the "smaller" jobs... Or you wouldn't make the truck at all ! 8-)
On a serious note, if crewing in the middle of the night is really that bad, maybe consider a roster system? ~ Then, no matter small or large you will have a definate crew, and they can sleep easy knowing that weather small or large they will make the appliance..
Similar to an adelaide hills brigade.
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that would improve some things that have happened at our sation. we had a fixed alarm at about 0700 to which about half the brigade came to. I am guessing because we assumed that everyone else would stay in bed.
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Similar to an adelaide hills brigade.
No need to dodge Barker, the whole roster thing has been discussed to death here. Some think its a good idea, others think that making the commitment to be available for a night is an invasion of liberty :roll:
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I was unaware of the brigade name, had just heard that a brigade in the Adelaide Hills had a rostering system as volunteers.
I will try and find the threads you refer to, cheers.
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There are a number of brigades around that run a roster system - Barker, Kadina & Waikerie to name a few......
Throughout this discussion, only a few have mentioned that fact that we are volunteers. Most of us have a life outside CFS - jobs, family, social life (how many people have been out at a social function, had a few drinks, and then the pager has gone off...)
If you don't get enough crew turning up to the less exciting calls, then the brigade as a whole needs to look at how to address that problem.
My own brigade has a core group of people who will turn up to almost every call - regardless of time of day (or night).
One day, one of those people, with her husband (who is also a member), drove past the station, just as the rest of the crew turned up for a call.
The couple didn't stop, because they were on the way to a ceremony for the member to be awarded her PhD.
Based on what many have said on this forum, both should have stopped, and responded to the call, and ignored a very important event in their lives......
Camo, you hit the nail on the head. We are Volunteers, we can chose when to respond, and when we don't.
Certainly, within my own brigade, those who turn up to calls and training on a regular basis are the first ones to be considered for strike teams, and for many of the training courses - so there are advantages to coming along at all hours.....
Pip
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I think the problem we have is the people that ignore the pager whent here is no other reason they cant make it to the call. Obviously seeing your wife get her phd is mor eimportant than a call out. The problem is with those hwo dont want to go to the basic calls but want to go the cool ones.
Onya Johnny....
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There seem to be a lot of people who pick and choose calls. Its quite common to hear people say "oh, it was just a fixed alarm, so rolled over and went back to sleep". While yes, we ARE volunteers, doesn't it take away from providing a service to the community? If everyone were to choose what they go to based upon whether or not it "looked like a good one", how would we crew appliances and get the job done? Some things that come through sounding 'nothing jobs' end up being huge... what then? No crew because bob decided he couldn't be bothered getting out of bed?
I personally think that training and call attendance should be policed more harshly. If people don't make it to at least one training in a month without a good reason, they shouldn't be allowed on the appliance for calls, or have themselves pushed down the list for courses. After all, whats the point in wasting the training if the people aren't going to turn up? :evil:
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No crew because bob decided he couldn't be bothered getting out of bed?
Leave Bob out of this, its John's fault. :-P
Onya Johnny...
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I personally think that training and call attendance should be policed more harshly. If people don't make it to at least one training in a month without a good reason, they shouldn't be allowed on the appliance for calls, or have themselves pushed down the list for courses. After all, whats the point in wasting the training if the people aren't going to turn up? :evil:
It can be policed as harshly, or otherwise, as your brigade chooses to - if people in the brigade have an issue with it, then they should talk to the Captain.
The old CFS Act (and I guess the new SAFECOM Act - I haven't had a close look at it) - states that members need to attend 12 meeting a year to remain current. I suspect if that was strictly adhered to, then many people shouldn't be members of the brigade......but should we kick out lots of people on that basis...? If we did, I suspect many CFS brigades would cease to exist..... :-(
Pip
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Well fire season is almost here and all the ones who have been hibernating for the winter while others have been responding to calls will come out of the woodwork and want to be first on the appliance....NOT ON MY WATCH :-D
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They need to undertake their burn over training, before going out on calls... :evil:
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They need to undertake their burn over training, before going out on calls... :evil:
Exactly...wont they be surprised :evil:
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So here we go, all the Gongbeating let's all do 500 firecalls a year and show up to the opening of an envelope with lights and sirens people pass judgment on all.
In case it has slipped your shortsighted attention spans, every member is a V-O-L-U-N-T-E-E-R.
And as such each member offers their time and skills for many varied and different reasons, thats right for different reasons! Not every member wants to attend 67000 firecalls a year at all times of the day and night. They all have different wants,needs and abilities to commit, and guess what that means? They're different to you and I.
So instead of gongbeating along, and trying to enforce your wants and beliefs and ostracizing people in the process, how about celebrating the fact that at any given time, people are not only just willing, but more importantly able to give time back to the community to assist it when its in need.
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So here we go, all the Gongbeating let's all do 500 firecalls a year and show up to the opening of an envelope with lights and sirens people pass judgment on all.
In case it has slipped your shortsighted attention spans, every member is a V-O-L-U-N-T-E-E-R.
And as such each member offers their time and skills for many varied and different reasons, thats right for different reasons! Not every member wants to attend 67000 firecalls a year at all times of the day and night. They all have different wants,needs and abilities to commit, and guess what that means? They're different to you and I.
So instead of gongbeating along, and trying to enforce your wants and beliefs and ostracizing people in the process, how about celebrating the fact that at any given time, people are not only just willing, but more importantly able to give time back to the community to assist it when its in need.
I believe the problem that people are discussing is the one about people NOT assisting the community when its in need, but only assisting when the job looks like a big or exciting one.
Reading comprehension!
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I believe the problem that people are discussing is the one about people NOT assisting the community when its in need, but only assisting when the job looks like a big or exciting one.
Toast he only went to 5 calls :lol:
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So here we go, all the Gongbeating let's all do 500 firecalls a year and show up to the opening of an envelope with lights and sirens people pass judgment on all.
In case it has slipped your shortsighted attention spans, every member is a V-O-L-U-N-T-E-E-R.
And as such each member offers their time and skills for many varied and different reasons, thats right for different reasons! Not every member wants to attend 67000 firecalls a year at all times of the day and night. They all have different wants,needs and abilities to commit, and guess what that means? They're different to you and I.
So instead of gongbeating along, and trying to enforce your wants and beliefs and ostracizing people in the process, how about celebrating the fact that at any given time, people are not only just willing, but more importantly able to give time back to the community to assist it when its in need.
I think what has been discussed, if you were concentrating, was that SOME volunteers decide to just leave the alarms, tree downs and animal rescues and run out for the 'real' jobs. There's always the ones who will not turn out to jobs in the early afternoon, then lowe and behold, the big one hits, and they're out there wanting to be the first on the appliance.
If you want to talk about giving time, it should be given without condition toward what the call is, and an effort should be made to attend training to keep skills up. No matter how much anyone thinks they know, they can still improve upon it.
There was no point made about those with busy schedules. Its fantastic that people take time out of busy lives to attend what they can. Its the people you KNOW for a fact are in the area, and just don't come down because they either know it all, or don't want to go along to 'just another alarm' that were the discussion point brought forward.
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So here we go, all the Gongbeating let's all do 500 firecalls a year and show up to the opening of an envelope with lights and sirens people pass judgment on all.
In case it has slipped your shortsighted attention spans, every member is a V-O-L-U-N-T-E-E-R.
And as such each member offers their time and skills for many varied and different reasons, thats right for different reasons! Not every member wants to attend 67000 firecalls a year at all times of the day and night. They all have different wants,needs and abilities to commit, and guess what that means? They're different to you and I.
So instead of gongbeating along, and trying to enforce your wants and beliefs and ostracizing people in the process, how about celebrating the fact that at any given time, people are not only just willing, but more importantly able to give time back to the community to assist it when its in need.
I think what has been discussed, if you were concentrating, was that SOME volunteers decide to just leave the alarms, tree downs and animal rescues and run out for the 'real' jobs. There's always the ones who will not turn out to jobs in the early afternoon, then lowe and behold, the big one hits, and they're out there wanting to be the first on the appliance.
If you want to talk about giving time, it should be given without condition toward what the call is, and an effort should be made to attend training to keep skills up. No matter how much anyone thinks they know, they can still improve upon it.
There was no point made about those with busy schedules. Its fantastic that people take time out of busy lives to attend what they can. Its the people you KNOW for a fact are in the area, and just don't come down because they either know it all, or don't want to go along to 'just another alarm' that were the discussion point brought forward.
Just another alarm:
1919072 07:21:21 04-10-06 MFS: RESPOND ALARM 22/092 04/10/06 07:21,MAGILL TRAINING CENTRE,GLEN STUART ROAD ,WOODFORDE, MAP 120 G 1 ,,FIP RECEPTION ENTRANCE,,31 202 205 206*CFSRES:
good enough reason to respond to all calls when you are available, and to NOT pick and choose
1926891 07:25:21 04-10-06 pearcexmi:respond magill training centre confirmed fire b risk - contact comcen via radio
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That would probably be for Glynde MFS, they dont have a choice on what to role too.
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That would probably be for Glynde MFS, they dont have a choice on what to role too.
Athelstone CFS got called also - thats who I was refering to, and they had issues getting crew, and then got stopped called
1908870 07:25:34 04-10-06 ATHL: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND ATHELSTONE STATION 04-10-06 07:24
1908871 07:25:32 04-10-06 ATHL: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND ATHELSTONE STATION 04-10-06 07:24
1908870 07:27:38 04-10-06 ATHL: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND ATHELSTONE STATION 04-10-06 07:26
1908871 07:27:36 04-10-06 ATHL: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND ATHELSTONE STATION 04-10-06 07:26
1908870 07:30:36 04-10-06 ATHL: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND ATHELSTONE STATION 04-10-06 07:29
1908871 07:30:34 04-10-06 ATHL: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND ATHELSTONE STATION 04-10-06 07:29
1908870 07:44:26 04-10-06 ATHL: STOP CALL RECEIVED 04-10-06 07:43
1908871 07:44:25 04-10-06 ATHL: STOP CALL RECEIVED 04-10-06 07:43
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Also for SAAS (I think)
09:39:03 04-10-06 Notification only, the incident at Magill is all over, thank-you for your help and patience.
07:51:53 04-10-06 Notification only major incident at the Magill Youth Training Centre. 33 patients, Plesae be on stand0by phase.
I believe this is a good example of how a incident can be different when you arrive.
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So let me get the straight, you guys are only complaining about people who pick and choose their calls, fair enough your call.
So then, who are you and what are your qualifications to make that call against your fellow members? How do you know 100% that there is not some mitigating reason as to why someone does not attend the station on the first page. And even if there isn't, is it really any of your business? That's why there is a Fire and Emergency Services Act, regulations, COSO's, Brigade constitutions etc. To manage these things, if a particular member causes you such concern and you feel it impacts on you, go to your Captain and name them, don't come whinging and whining about it to every one else under the sun, but i'm guessing (and only guessing) if these people were such a problem to your brigade, the Captain and management committee would have already done something about it, so really you're just peein in the wind and notching up another post count.
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So let me get the straight, you guys are only complaining about people who pick and choose their calls, fair enough your call.
So then, who are you and what are your qualifications to make that call against your fellow members? How do you know 100% that there is not some mitigating reason as to why someone does not attend the station on the first page. And even if there isn't, is it really any of your business?
I think you will find the point of this thread was those picking and choosing because of the type of job (as presented on the pager), not just because, and not related to mitigating circumstances. and no - it is no-ones business - this is a friendly discussion in a forum for exactly that - discussion
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I'm glad then Mr T that we agree this is a friendly discussion, and at the end of the day it is really no ones business, therefore why is this thread here to start with? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I'm glad then Mr T that we agree this is a friendly discussion, and at the end of the day it is really no ones business, therefore why is this thread here to start with? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Dunno - Light entertainment?
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Gongy, are you the ex OMGWTF or the ex strikeathird, heavy rescue, corecutters?
Very similar posting type.
Some people have actually said they couldnt be bothered turning up to an alarm to members.
MrT, okay didnt read the pager site to see Athelstone responded.
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Gongy, are you the ex OMGWTF or the ex strikeathird, heavy rescue, corecutters?
Very similar posting type.
Some people have actually said they couldnt be bothered turning up to an alarm to members.
MrT, okay didnt read the pager site to see Athelstone responded.
Um no definately not any of the aformentioned persons. But guessing probably have a similar low threshold for gongbeaters.
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That would probably be for Glynde MFS, they dont have a choice on what to role too.
Athelstone CFS got called also - thats who I was refering to, and they had issues getting crew, and then got stopped called
1908870 07:25:34 04-10-06 ATHL: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND ATHELSTONE STATION 04-10-06 07:24
1908871 07:25:32 04-10-06 ATHL: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND ATHELSTONE STATION 04-10-06 07:24
1908870 07:27:38 04-10-06 ATHL: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND ATHELSTONE STATION 04-10-06 07:26
1908871 07:27:36 04-10-06 ATHL: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND ATHELSTONE STATION 04-10-06 07:26
1908870 07:30:36 04-10-06 ATHL: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND ATHELSTONE STATION 04-10-06 07:29
1908871 07:30:34 04-10-06 ATHL: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND ATHELSTONE STATION 04-10-06 07:29
1908870 07:44:26 04-10-06 ATHL: STOP CALL RECEIVED 04-10-06 07:43
1908871 07:44:25 04-10-06 ATHL: STOP CALL RECEIVED 04-10-06 07:43
Be careful about commenting on the situation, based soley on what you see on the pager.
I think you might find the Stop call was not a "don't bother coming, it's all over " but "the incident is over, and we can be released"
Athelstone 34P was in attendance at this call.....
Pip
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Athelstone 34P was in attendance at this call.....
Pip
I know - I saw
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Fire was confined to a single cell, and some staff and inmates with minor smoke inhalation :wink:
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a 19 year old will be charged for the fire which left 10people in hospital.
From 10news
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a 19 year old will be charged for the fire which left 10people in hospital.
From 10news
And hes going direct to the Bighouse.Do not pass go do not collect $200 :-D :-D
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:lol: thats good.
Is magill youth training centre a juvi?
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Yes it is a juvy facility, but the suspect was an adult, serving time for juvenile offences.....
It is a bit of an anomaly in the Justice system (and certainly not unheard of)
But I doubt he will go back to Magill.......
But in relation to the alleged offences arising from today, he will be dealt with as an adult....
Pipster
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interesting that no further CFS resources went to that one, considering it was a second alarm in CFS area......
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Thats what happens when the MFS do your CRD?
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mmmm must be..... :-o