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ALL Rescue / Re: Results from Australasian & World RCR competitions
« on: July 25, 2011, 07:29:22 PM »dont forget the refresher after 5 years of not doing a job Numbers
Ah yes, the single day "****around"
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dont forget the refresher after 5 years of not doing a job Numbers
I have never laughed so hard in my life numbers....
Why
Is the issue equipment or the new training techniques ?
apparantly enough money for several RATOs to go along and live it up however
let the kid do his project, leave the bullshit out of it, anyone got any usefull info for him?
Perhaps draw some comparisons between the metro response of individual appliances being turned out, as opposed to regional MFS and CFS responses being Brigade based, with trucks crewed as appropriate, given number of persons available and individual discretion?
Spoken like a true amateur.
Where the SAMFS is the 'Control Agency', the IC will initiate an IAP based upon numerous factors, but always within the SOPs.
People state that enough tools exist on a fire truck to equip a RIT team. I am not part of a fire service so would be interested in what specific tools you would lay out on a tarp for quick access ?
...so would be interested in what specific tools you would lay out on a tarp for quick access ?
I would be thinking of the "Holligan Tool, Axe, and Sledge Hammer, for a start if it was just a case of making an forced entry or egress. Like what has alresdy been posted, a good set of wire cutters would be handy for removal of wires etc. I suppose it all depends on what "what if's" you could potentially be faced with. Worse case you could require Hydraulic tools, air lifting bags, shoring blocks. Then if there is a height access issue (fall through floor) ladders may well also be needed.
All this RIT work takes time, what is the recommended (read SOP) response for maintaining an air supply to a trapped fire fighter whose cylinder has become depleted?
The entanglement I experienced was in a house where the roof stayed intact, just the covering over the ductwork melted and like a slinky the wires fell through the vents.
QuoteI think it is a fair question to ask a question and get a proper answer. Rather than take a dig at eh CFS for not having much of a RIT plan how about suggesting what brigades can do with what is currently available to them.
Unfortunately for multiple reasons we haven’t considered RIT a high priority to allocate resources to implement. Rightly or wrongly this is the fact and what Ideas can you offer other Fire-fighters to improve the status qou
Not having much of a RIT plan? If you have crews committed to a larger fire such as numbers hypothetical incident, Why is it so hard to have a crew as a designated RIT team? I have already described what they do. There is nothing magical about a RIT team. All the equipment needed is on the fire ground. This should all be part of the IC's IAP.
QuoteWhen is the RIT set up? Is this only for commercial fires, or all fires where crews are inside a structure? If you have a relatively small domestic fire where you only have 2 operators committed, would the standby crew outside have tools ready in case something goes wrong? (or would you have a 4 member RIT at the ready?
At a domestic fire, the backup BA crew could be used as a RIT team (only on a smaller scale) I'm sure that if something happened at a domestic fire, it would be on a much smaller scale than at a commercial premises. This is all at the discretion of the IC of course and once again, it should be part of the IAP.
QuoteI wouldn't be in there in the first place..........
ahhh well...I hear the Salvos are always looking for volunteers for the lunch wagon, so you can still feel involved
I don't know how much of or if you get any structure fire training but along time before the ceiling collapsed and the A/C ducts fell down, it would be pretty obvious that it would be unsafe.
If you happened to be in there when it happened then someone was a bit too keen to be a hero.
A safety officer is designated at K99 incidents ASAP (A K99 is an automatic upgrade or higher if requested - so there will be enough resources to have a crew for a RIT Team if required - once again, at the discretion of the IC
What is so hard...........
The bigger the job, the greater the safety risk. If you guys can't get trucks or crews to turn up at incidents, then there is the start of your problems.........
Can I ask how many of you have been into a serious structure fire?
I know this is going be taken the wrong way but it's a genuine question.
QuoteFor example, say you have a Fire Service that has a house collapse, causing some deaths and injuries. It comes out in investigations that having a "Safety Officer" would have prevented the deaths/injuries by observing the signs of collapse. Now, should our Fire Service (that doesn't use a "Safety Officer") wait until it too suffers deaths and injuries too investigate and then learn that using a "Safety Officer" could have prevented them? Or should our Fire Service implement a Safety Officer based on what has occurred and been previously learn by the other Fire Service?
The MFS would have a safety officer at this particular incident, so I'm not sure about the CFS?
QuoteCertainly no fishing trip, I was looking forward to the discussion, but sadly it seems as though its turned into a SAMFS vs SACFS cock measuring contest.
No one turned this into an MFS vs CFS cock measuring contest.
QuoteIf this was in MFS area, then there are problems using the CFS due to the equipment compatability with MFS equipment and Vice Versa.
Can you tell me if the CFS log onto their airsets?
Would their DSU work and show up on the tablet that was being used at this incident as a personal activation?
If an entry control board was in use (which I'm presuming it would be), do the CFS set tallies fit into an MFS enrty control board?
Or would an MFS tally fit into a CFS board?
Sure, you can pull out your leatherman and try to cut yourself free but there is a procedure that should be followed which would be part of my escape plan.
This is not a CFS vs MFS post. You have asked what would the firefighter do. If an MFS firefighter was stuck, I would hope that they would do the same as a CFS firefighter. All that I have said is that I would instigate a 'Mayday" and take it from there, once again, this is what I would do.
QuoteCould you enlighten us as to these "RIT Methods" you speak of?
As per a RIT team, a crew (of 4)is put aside and designated as a RIT team that is only used for an emergency rescue with a complete set of rescue resources eg. stretcher, tools, cutting gear and anything that may be needed to effect a rescue. This team is not used for any firefighting.
Or you could read SAMFS SOP 14 Rapid Intervention Team, been in vogue for a couple of years.
Oh sorry forgot the yellow gang cant do what the Mets do!!! LOL
There are some reasonable points made here but...........
Do not compare the Australian fire services to the US services.
The US do things COMPLETELY different to us. They go into structures that are carparks when they arrive.
I know what you are getting at numbers.
But, If you have had no training, then you should not be there in the fist place. If you do not know what the 'Mayday' procedure is ,then again, you should not be there.
If this was in MFS area, then there are problems using the CFS due to the equipment compatibility with MFS equipment and Vice Versa.
I hope this has satisfied your fishing trip! The worms will come out of the can and dance to the sound of a broken record if you keep pushing.
Those who are actually proficient in the use of BA are,during their annual reaccredit, including RIT scenarios to ensure all are proficient in RIT methods.
SO T. Cox is the instructor who no doubt can enlighten you!
I love following this recruitment thread each year. Everyone gets all excited about applying for the MFS. Everyone gets their hopes up. Lots of questions are asked, further fuelling their confidence then BAM! FAIL.
Then the whinging starts......
It would be frustrating when the MFS gives very little feed back on where applicants went wrong. They need to be more transparent and give out scores. But then they couldnt recruit the "types" of people they require......
Failing the psych testing, then blaming the testing process.... maybe thats indicating something right there.
Ok, Alex How would analyse this. I have given my answers.
1 a.) Do you own a firearm. False
b.) Do you own more than three firearms. True
2 a.) Do you hunt animals. False
b.) Do you prefer to shoot animals with a camera. True
A serious answer would be appreciated.
Stop slagging of at each other.
unfknblvable would you care to pleas explain yourself? It doesn;t take much to cause cables to drop from a cealing and i am sure it can happen well before the structure is unsafe.
Numbers, As for tools in my pockets it is usally the whole radiant heat on a metal tool not that this has ever been an issue for me.
Didnt make it again. Moving on will not be doing it again.
The pyschometric test is flawed
Yeah unsuccessful but will give it another go next time. Just wish you could get some kind of feedback so you can work on what you need to.
just wondering im a firefighter in another organisation in australia over xmas i come home am i aloud onto the truck or do i have to do my burnover again
Or maybe start with BA??
My username relates directly to what i read on this forum.
And you numbers, illustrate this perfectly.Full of theories, pity you werent in a position to try them and then you may see just how amateur hour you sound.
Since the terrible fires of Wangary and the like the CFS had almost solely focused on rural training. There has been the regular BA courses, and I have heard a rumour of alarm panel training, but haven't seen the course yet.
Anyway, my point is, have we neglected our urban brigades. Whilst rural brigades do make up probably 90% of the service, we do have some brigades with urban risks and urban workloads. Apart from BA they are having to self teach themselves all other urban related tasks.
All this expertise from non urban brigades is very enlightening.
If you have become entangled then what were you doing entering a structure when the integrity of it is questionable? Safety first remember!
You may not like asking the professionals for guidance for whatever reason, so look to the USA if you wish, but first try reading the stats on how many lives they lose, an Good Luck.