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Technical Discussion => ALL Rescue => Topic started by: bajdas on July 06, 2006, 02:46:12 PM

Title: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: bajdas on July 06, 2006, 02:46:12 PM
IS anyone going to the 'Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge' on the 19th to 23rd July ?

Will be held at Wayville Showgrounds. More details at http://www.infront.com.au/rescuechallenge/

I hope to go as a spectator during the weekend. Most probably on the Sunday.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Toast on July 06, 2006, 05:21:51 PM
Probably, we have a crew in it.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: PF_ on July 06, 2006, 06:47:12 PM
Whats happening?
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Toast on July 06, 2006, 07:46:06 PM
What do you mean, whats happening?
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: PF_ on July 06, 2006, 08:11:32 PM
Is it just watching people cut up cars all day or will there be displays, cars on show, look through appliances, hands on exhibits etc?
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: bajdas on July 07, 2006, 11:22:49 AM
Have a look at the website..http://www.infront.com.au/rescuechallenge/program.aspx

A trade expo is being conducted on 20th July..http://www.infront.com.au/rescuechallenge/expo.aspx

A Symposium on "Looking After Ourselves and Each Other" on 20th..http://www.infront.com.au/rescuechallenge/symposium.aspx

A fee exists for the Symposium, but unsure of the trade expo and competition days.

Augie Gray could be contacted for more information, but it is run by ARRO.

Hopefully one of the PR people who monitor this forum can give more information.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: firetruck on July 07, 2006, 12:32:19 PM
doesn't this cost a substantial amount of money to get in to? the amount of around $175 was brought up with these comps at a meeting.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: bajdas on July 07, 2006, 01:15:28 PM
I would think that is the "full team cost" which includes the Symposium, etc
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Darius on July 07, 2006, 01:42:21 PM
doesn't this cost a substantial amount of money to get in to? the amount of around $175 was brought up with these comps at a meeting.

it says $2500 on the website.  So apparently people can't just turn up and watch...
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: bajdas on July 07, 2006, 02:46:55 PM
I have sent an email because that seems ridiculous to myself. Will post next week when I get a reply.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: rescue5271 on July 07, 2006, 05:05:43 PM
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM,I think its about $15:00 per person to get in the gate????
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: medevac on July 07, 2006, 09:07:27 PM
i should think it is a fairly standard, small fee for observers... however a team fee would mbe mroe obviously...

PF - its the Australasian  ROAD CRASH CHALLENGE - competitions...
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: bajdas on July 11, 2006, 03:18:41 PM
EMail received back regards entry costs to the competition

"...Its $5.00 entry for the public, or a gold coin donation entry for emergency service people on production of ID..."
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: PF_ on July 11, 2006, 06:52:55 PM
How many CFS people have CFS ID's?
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: bajdas on July 12, 2006, 12:31:00 PM
Found some more information in the July 2006 SASESVA Frontline magazine at http://www.sasesva.org.au/Frontline/July2006Pt2.pdf (page 5 of the PDF).

"...Entry to the Challenge is $5 per adult & $10 per family, children under 16 free. An entry ticket provides access for up to 3 days. Host agency (SES, MFS & CFS) members may attend by way of a gold coin donation, on production of Service ID...."

"...Function ticket costs are:
Opening & Welcome Ceremony = $35 (meal incl)
Swap Meet = $35 (meal incl)
Symposium = $100 (incl lunch, morn & afternoon tea)
Closing Ceremony = $70 (dinner incl)...

Tickets for social functions may be booked on the Challenge website www.rescuechallenge.org, which provides information on all aspects of the event....

A range of souvenir Challenge merchandise...is also available through the website...."
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: medevac on July 12, 2006, 09:04:19 PM
well i would be keen to go, but ill be in tassie.... so there ya are.

somebody take lots  of pics and post em up.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: bajdas on July 18, 2006, 10:21:56 AM
Email received last night from my SES Unit regards the competition. Some of the graphics have been removed when converting the original PDF to text for posting.
------------
2006 AUSTRALASIAN RESCUE CHALLENGE

So what are your plans for next weekend?

South Australia and your emergency services (SES, CFS and SAMFS) are hosting the 2006 Australasian Rescue Challenge from Friday 21 July through to Sunday 23 July at the Adelaide Showground at Wayville.

The event will see 23 fire and rescue teams from across Australia and New Zealand come together to showcase their skills and to compete in a range of road accident scenarios.

The really good news is that the entire event will be conducted in the warm and dry environment of the Wayville Pavilion. No more rain, no more sunstroke (not that
sunstroke is a risk right now).

The event is very strongly supported by Holden Ltd, with more than 70 almost new Commodores, Monaros (yes new Monaros) and other Holden vehicles being ‘massaged’ into shape for the scenarios so that the teams can force entry and extricate the casualties.

So if your weekend ahead isn’t already booked up with visits to relatives, shopping forays into the crowds or dodging the rain in the garden, why not come and join us?

Where else can you stay warm and dry, support your emergency services, and watch brand new Holdens being turned into second hand cars very rapidly? And all this for a gold coin donation and a $5.00 car park fee. Best times 9am to 4pm each day. We also have souvenir merchandise (shirts, caps etc) for sale, and a trade display to
browse through in between events.

So bring your identity card, a gold coin or three, and come support the services in this showcase Australasian event.

Stuart Macleod
Chair
Road Crash Rescue Organising Committee
----------------------
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: PF_ on July 22, 2006, 04:11:31 PM
Went today, they need more for the public to do and be more interactive as it was not very interesting for the public.  Maybe the announcer should be telling the public what and why the crews are doing this.  Also they had some trucks sitting on the side, maybe alowing the public to look inside or sit in would ahve been good, great for the kids.

Maybe Im being to critical. but just thought it could have been a bit more public friendly...  :|

my thoughts.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Manuel on July 22, 2006, 04:16:29 PM
yea i would have to agree with you there PF, i went on Friday and it was not at all public friendly.

also what do people think about the 20min time for all the comps, I did not see one full job before it was cut off by the buzzer, it would be more intresting if they finished it.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Scania_1 on July 22, 2006, 05:35:09 PM
What else was there ? Trade displays ? Much else to look at?
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Manuel on July 22, 2006, 05:38:30 PM
yea there were trade displays, and three trucks, a CFS, MFS, and SES. just sitting there. but that was all.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: PF_ on July 22, 2006, 07:22:35 PM
Would have been good if they opened up the trucks, the Merc MFS truck (woodville skyjet) looks pretty good. 

Burwood FB (NSW) got the person out and secured before the whistle went. 

I left after only an hour and a half or so, only so much car cutting up to watch.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Toast on July 22, 2006, 09:00:06 PM
The comps arent about finishing the job though. Just seeing how people undertake the rescue is educational enough. Once youve got the opening done, the whole spine board + person is all a bit same old, same old. Are the comps really for the public? I personally don't think so. Imagine how annoying the commentary for *EVERY* cut would get.

Had a good look over a very dirty Dalkieth 34P. I assume that the 'P' stands for 'Penis' as thats what the 38mm Monitor looks like on the font... Very... dodgy.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Manuel on July 22, 2006, 09:31:12 PM
yea i agree, it did not look like the "new" "hi tec" for the CFS, cords hanging out and all, pfff, give me a hose any day.  :roll:
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Toast on July 22, 2006, 10:12:17 PM
No, I'll take our mid mounted 64mm monitor anyday. But its a REAL monitor, none of this crazy penis looking stuff.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Alan (Big Al) on July 22, 2006, 10:57:20 PM
Is this the prototype 34P??? Got any pics anyone of the comps or truck???
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Toast on July 23, 2006, 01:19:09 AM
Im going down again tomorrow(today oh god its late) and I'll take some more pictures. Bascially its a 38mm remote controlled monitor that protrudes from the front bullbar of the appliance. Interesting concept.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: bajdas on July 23, 2006, 08:56:11 AM
Took two of my kids down Saturday afternoon (age 12 and 15). They were hesitant before we arrived (put up with Dad's fascination again :-))

They were interested, esp in the bus that had been rolled and the broken cars being lifted. Saw one rescue to completion. They were fascinated that cutters can remove the roof and that vehicle glass can be smashed that easily.

I think it was worth it even if it was only to show my kids some reality rather than TV fantasy.

From the trade show they were interested in the casuality simulation dummy's and I was interested in some of the products.

Trucks on display were clean and tidy. Yes it would have been good to see inside the vehicles (for my own interest in what the BA seats are that keeps getting discussed).

The camera pictures on big screens helped show 'what was happening' and Brenton was doing some commentary on the PA.

Kept us interested for an hour, which is what I expected.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Manuel on July 23, 2006, 10:00:22 AM
here is a pic of the monitor, (apparently it is only meant for rural jobs :|)
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Manuel on July 23, 2006, 10:01:31 AM
here is a pic of the truck
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: PF_ on July 23, 2006, 11:23:31 AM
Its a hard-on  :-P :oops:  :roll:
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: backburn on July 23, 2006, 11:53:06 AM
You would need a good water supply to squirt with that one. All gone in seconds
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: 24P on July 23, 2006, 11:54:18 AM
would be good for car fires. Pull up and blast away.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Firefrog on July 23, 2006, 11:58:43 AM
Monitor is perfect for short crewing and/or mounting an attack on running grassies from within the cab. No need to have crew on the back for the first knock down.

Very progressive excellent concept! Well done to those involved in this idea....Hard hitting and improves crew safety!
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: PF_ on July 23, 2006, 12:07:26 PM
good to see people are sticking up for it...  :evil:

On a serious note, is it remote controlled from within the cabin like the airport fire trucks?
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Manuel on July 23, 2006, 04:39:55 PM
there is a joystick on the passenger side.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Scania_1 on July 23, 2006, 04:57:52 PM
You would have to be pretty miserly with the water throught the monitor though. Drain the tank pretty damn quick.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Toast on July 23, 2006, 05:17:27 PM
Took two of my kids down Saturday afternoon (age 12 and 15). They were hesitant before we arrived (put up with Dad's fascination again :-))

They were interested, esp in the bus that had been rolled and the broken cars being lifted. Saw one rescue to completion. They were fascinated that cutters can remove the roof and that vehicle glass can be smashed that easily.

Trucks on display were clean and tidy. Yes it would have been good to see inside the vehicles (for my own interest in what the BA seats are that keeps getting discussed).

It's a pity that they didn't use the bus that we rolled down the cliff. They decided to cut up a bus to look the same. The BA seats on the Woodville Skyjet were pretty viable through the windows, yet the cab was locked.

Im not so sure that the 38mm monitor would go through *that* much water. The branch is small and the plumbing on the smaller side as well...(pics coming)
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Alan (Big Al) on July 23, 2006, 05:59:55 PM
Is that the 34p with the pto?? Nice idea the monitor, should be interesting to see how well it works...
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Manuel on July 23, 2006, 06:11:24 PM
maybe at the Royal show  :wink:
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: rescue5271 on July 23, 2006, 07:45:22 PM
looks good,do all new 34p come with the monitor? two of our members went down for the day said it was great but would have liked to have seen more trade displays.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: 24P on July 23, 2006, 08:03:58 PM
looks good,do all new 34p come with the monitor?
probably not maybe another CFS one - off? Would be ok if it works though.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Manuel on July 23, 2006, 08:09:22 PM
looks good,do all new 34p come with the monitor?
probably not maybe another CFS one - off? Would be ok if it works though.

i hear they are very expensive, so i doubt that it would be put on many trucks.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Toast on July 23, 2006, 08:35:31 PM
looks good,do all new 34p come with the monitor? two of our members went down for the day said it was great but would have liked to have seen more trade displays.

I was down there around noon today, and the place was much quieter than yesterday.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Scania_1 on July 23, 2006, 10:19:12 PM
So who won??
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: firetruck on July 23, 2006, 11:10:28 PM

From the trade show they were interested in the casuality simulation dummy's and I was interested in some of the products.



man, I was up at STC this weekend and heard it took 3 BA course asistants to move one of the dummies, its that heavy.

and yes, that monitor looks like a penis.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Toast on July 24, 2006, 01:40:59 AM

From the trade show they were interested in the casuality simulation dummy's and I was interested in some of the products.



man, I was up at STC this weekend and heard it took 3 BA course asistants to move one of the dummies, its that heavy.

and yes, that monitor looks like a penis.

haha, I didn't see a dummy over about 70-80kg... Poor BA assistants need some weight training  :wink:
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: firetruck on July 24, 2006, 11:53:52 AM

From the trade show they were interested in the casuality simulation dummy's and I was interested in some of the products.



man, I was up at STC this weekend and heard it took 3 BA course asistants to move one of the dummies, its that heavy.

and yes, that monitor looks like a penis.

haha, I didn't see a dummy over about 70-80kg... Poor BA assistants need some weight training  :wink:

na these are dummies they brought up from somewhere, probably the RCR comps. There was only one dummy that required 3 to move it, i think it was more like 95kg.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: standpipe on July 24, 2006, 12:02:34 PM
So who won??
Burwood NSW Fire Service
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: PF_ on July 24, 2006, 06:18:06 PM
I saw them on Saturday.  Looked pretty good.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Manuel on July 24, 2006, 10:18:21 PM
Hey stirling came 20th out of 23(the source was not completely sure), oh dear  :oops:, when i saw them they did look a little scrappy, but i heard that a few of them were sick.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Alan (Big Al) on July 25, 2006, 12:39:42 AM
South Coast SES who received a wild card entry in to the comps came in 15th and had the 3rd best medic (Their medic is an ER nurse)
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Toast on July 25, 2006, 02:08:48 AM
Hey stirling came 20th out of 23(the source was not completely sure), oh dear  :oops:, when i saw them they did look a little scrappy, but i heard that a few of them were sick.

Confirming 20/23
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Manuel on July 25, 2006, 05:38:15 PM
Well done to blackwood coming 8th 8-)
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: rescue5271 on July 25, 2006, 08:32:39 PM
Does it really matter what people came??? as long as they had fun,made some new contacts and above all picked up some new RCR skills.. Well done to all the teams.
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: firetruck on July 25, 2006, 08:33:53 PM
Hey stirling came 20th out of 23(the source was not completely sure), oh dear  :oops:, when i saw them they did look a little scrappy, but i heard that a few of them were sick.

its funny, i've noticed how competition results seem to make SOME (not all of you fine people, in fact these people aren't on SAFF to my knowledge)people judge RCR brigades at real jobs. These competitions, although as real as can be expected, in no way create an environment that would even slightly resemble a real site. Also the fact that when you roll to a job, the complete champion RCR crew may be unavailable. It just angers me a little. rant over
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: rescue5271 on July 25, 2006, 08:38:16 PM
I find with comps that the rules change so much whats the point??? If you do a good job,save a life then that is the best reward one can hope for. Comps have there good points and bad points,what is taught in RCR is not always used on the road as all RCR brigades know things change....Anyway it was a fun weekend,good on them for having a go,mind you $2000 to enter little rich for some...
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: CFS_Firey on July 26, 2006, 01:00:30 AM
In my opinion, training for the comps is training for the comps, not for real incidents... For example, a third of the mark is placed on the team's medic, who rarely forms part of an RCR in real life (In metro areas anyway ;)).

It would be much more beneficial to train for real jobs, practicing what will work, rather than what will impress the judges...

My opinion only ;)
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: rescue5271 on July 26, 2006, 08:06:03 AM
Down this wat the ambos do the medicpart its very rare that we do it,comps have the good points but you can not judge RCR on that . The only way is in a real job but that is not what we would like to see,at the comps you can only make it so real....
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: Mike on July 26, 2006, 08:32:26 AM
To me the comps are a bit of wank factor. And it does seem as though an air of 'this lot are better' is banded around.

Dont get me wrong though.... through the years there have been many innovations introduced by teams that have become standard practices.

But if I ever had someone my crew walking around making as much noise as is done there..... well.... wouldnt be at all happy!
One of the principals taught in the SES basic. Safety, System, Speed, SILENCE.
All being said, real jobs will always be different to the comps. Its very hard to judge overall team awareness at a competition if nothing is said....

Well done to all the teams who had a go, we all know it takes a lot of hard work. The time and effort spent by those involved doesnt go un-noticed by the rest of us!
Title: Re: Australasian Road Crash Rescue Challenge
Post by: fire03rescue on July 26, 2006, 09:41:00 AM
Yes it is for fun, but there is a lot of difference from the team that came first and to the team that came last.
Good on every team that gave it a go. it can improve your skills