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SAMFS / Re: RECRUITMENT 2011
« on: December 16, 2010, 01:42:48 PM »
out of curiosty how does the shift system work? do you do a different station each week or is it just once you are in 1 location you are there for 6mths?
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SA Firefighter General / Re: Open letter to the SES
« on: September 22, 2010, 01:52:31 PM »
Pipster i'm not saying the ses doesn't have some idiots that do stupid things, and if your unit has the people with the equipment and experince to do the job fine, but in our area our mfs units are great at road crash and putting out fires but from some other things they need to stand back, and let the people with the training do the job rather than "we are the fire service and we can do anything" pile in and wing it / pray it which seems to be the current attitude, including pulling out acro props from lintals while standing under a collpsing roof.
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SA Firefighter General / Re: Open letter to the SES
« on: September 21, 2010, 08:51:45 PM »
sometimes i'd say they can;t deal with the situations or they try to and make it harder for themselves and us , more from lack of proper training and practice than anything else
i've been to a number of tree downs where the mfs have got their saws stuck in the tree cut a touch to far and the tree has compressed on the blade and most trucks only carry one saw.
Or the senior officer walking under a wall where the only supporting column for 10m has been taken out buy a car and the whole thing is sagging with cracks showing in the brick work, - again maybe its best at times to wait cordon it off as a few hundred kgs of bricks will spoil anyones day
or in a rescue from a roof, 6 firefighters standing on a room held in by 8 roofing screws
so really if the fire brigade responds should depend on the job and if they can do it.
as for the when is it not a lights / sirens job, for our unit we say 8mins from time of page if the truck isn't out the door then go standard road rulles unless the UM, DUM, or RDO tells you to come lights / sirens
IF during multi taskings we get a rescue / person trapped/ shoring job etc and we are on a flooding that is just water somewhere or a tree in back yard job then they truck will go and leave maybe 2 crew at the job site and will send a support vehicle down to assist / transprot
i've been to a number of tree downs where the mfs have got their saws stuck in the tree cut a touch to far and the tree has compressed on the blade and most trucks only carry one saw.
Or the senior officer walking under a wall where the only supporting column for 10m has been taken out buy a car and the whole thing is sagging with cracks showing in the brick work, - again maybe its best at times to wait cordon it off as a few hundred kgs of bricks will spoil anyones day
or in a rescue from a roof, 6 firefighters standing on a room held in by 8 roofing screws
so really if the fire brigade responds should depend on the job and if they can do it.
as for the when is it not a lights / sirens job, for our unit we say 8mins from time of page if the truck isn't out the door then go standard road rulles unless the UM, DUM, or RDO tells you to come lights / sirens
IF during multi taskings we get a rescue / person trapped/ shoring job etc and we are on a flooding that is just water somewhere or a tree in back yard job then they truck will go and leave maybe 2 crew at the job site and will send a support vehicle down to assist / transprot
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SA Firefighter General / Re: South Australia's billion dollar Budget cuts leaked to media
« on: September 18, 2010, 09:59:21 AM »
good to see someone has finally realised that rent all the light ops vehicles is a more expensive solution than buying hopefully the ses will work that out too and be able to follow suit
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SA Firefighter General / Re: Priority 1 driving standards
« on: September 08, 2010, 06:59:08 PM »
as there is no current traing we came up with this to at least get our drivers some training
it starts off once they get their license they do an inhouse course, to show they can handle the vehicle including lost, after that they can drive normal road rules.
to drive prioity they must to 3 runs with an officer/s that deemed been competant at unit level to drive p1 / p2 once they are happy they have to do a run with either the unit, manager or deputy unit manager once they are happy they are signed off
we also try to get the local poilce down to give a bit of a chat about road rules and resposibilty with all the new drivers
it starts off once they get their license they do an inhouse course, to show they can handle the vehicle including lost, after that they can drive normal road rules.
to drive prioity they must to 3 runs with an officer/s that deemed been competant at unit level to drive p1 / p2 once they are happy they have to do a run with either the unit, manager or deputy unit manager once they are happy they are signed off
we also try to get the local poilce down to give a bit of a chat about road rules and resposibilty with all the new drivers
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SA Firefighter General / Re: Ammusing pager message.
« on: September 08, 2010, 06:49:00 PM »
hopefully that person got told where to go
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SA Firefighter General / Re: Rescue from heights.
« on: August 15, 2010, 11:34:50 PM »
in an emergency services sense one small job, in industry at work, 6 or 7 one to one rescues where people have fallen on a static line for example, and 1 litter job where someone fell and broke their hip
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SA Firefighter General / Re: Rescue from heights.
« on: August 13, 2010, 11:22:40 PM »
at work i use twin rope, with the ses i use single, i'm comfortable with both knowning how hard it is to break a rope even exceeding the swl and good rope management and edge managament is essential in both,
what i'm trying to get at is if one rope fails, then if a rope is from the same batch, treated the same way by the same people there is no reason that it won't give way as well.
really its horses for courses, if i can work both then i'm pretty much safe with whoever i have to deal with
what i'm trying to get at is if one rope fails, then if a rope is from the same batch, treated the same way by the same people there is no reason that it won't give way as well.
really its horses for courses, if i can work both then i'm pretty much safe with whoever i have to deal with
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SA Firefighter General / Re: Rescue from heights.
« on: August 11, 2010, 06:53:50 PM »
SimpleJack
let me ask you the same question i got asked when i started the ses course coming froma twin rope back ground
Do you 2 ropes come from different suppliers, are at the very least different batch numbers, are carried on 2 separate vehicles or at the very least stored in 2 separate lockers on the one vehicle using 2 different storage techniques? Are the 2 ropes set up by different people using separate anchor points and diverse anchoring techniques?
If not what is the advantage?
gievs yo something to think about, so long as you know your system and techniques and don't exceed any swl then there is no reason why single rope should be unsafe, infact you could say they twin rope lets people slack off because they have the back up
let me ask you the same question i got asked when i started the ses course coming froma twin rope back ground
Do you 2 ropes come from different suppliers, are at the very least different batch numbers, are carried on 2 separate vehicles or at the very least stored in 2 separate lockers on the one vehicle using 2 different storage techniques? Are the 2 ropes set up by different people using separate anchor points and diverse anchoring techniques?
If not what is the advantage?
gievs yo something to think about, so long as you know your system and techniques and don't exceed any swl then there is no reason why single rope should be unsafe, infact you could say they twin rope lets people slack off because they have the back up
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SA Firefighter General / Re: Rescue from heights.
« on: August 11, 2010, 12:12:47 PM »
thats the main issue we have is money for training, got the gear, petty much got the turnout time, got the crew will to do the courses, but state doesn't have the money to train us and as we use single rope they won't accept an outside training we still have to do the course even if you have the unit already
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SA Firefighter General / Re: Rescue from heights.
« on: August 10, 2010, 01:41:35 PM »
the thing is that pstp can vary widely, the ses teach a single rope version, however you do it for mines or industrial rescue, and its all twin rope, training should be the same system across all services so everyone knows whats going on and the services are compatiable
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SA Firefighter General / Re: Rescue from heights.
« on: August 09, 2010, 06:42:22 PM »
haven;t had the pleasure of spec ops for any of ours yet, we are normally done by then,
stupid thing is that norlunga and gully are minimum 30 mins away from town if they are needed were as we are about 5 but we can't get people on to the courses as they don't think we have a risk yet we cover half of metro adelaide
our unit has numerous members training to vertical rescue standards but not quite enough for a full crew, and we get out the door in around 5 - 10 mins normally so we aren't that slow compared to some.
haven;t jsut done a job with the mets, a month or so back i know we could have had the casualty down at least 10 - 12 mins faster than they got him down. even with us getting there after them.
stupid thing is that norlunga and gully are minimum 30 mins away from town if they are needed were as we are about 5 but we can't get people on to the courses as they don't think we have a risk yet we cover half of metro adelaide
our unit has numerous members training to vertical rescue standards but not quite enough for a full crew, and we get out the door in around 5 - 10 mins normally so we aren't that slow compared to some.
haven;t jsut done a job with the mets, a month or so back i know we could have had the casualty down at least 10 - 12 mins faster than they got him down. even with us getting there after them.
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SA Firefighter General / Re: Open letter to the SES
« on: August 02, 2010, 07:23:31 AM »
not really, the main thing a fire truck provides is fire cover (a still 180 doesn't cut if for a good portion of the trees we see), which may be an issue for downed power lines sparking etc creating small fires / smoldering embers, 99% of you don't need a fire truck to put out
why send a truck to a job when all they can do is sit for etsa and wait same as we can may as well use sapol and then call it in once the lines are cleared.
why send a truck to a job when all they can do is sit for etsa and wait same as we can may as well use sapol and then call it in once the lines are cleared.
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SA Firefighter General / Re: Open letter to the SES
« on: August 01, 2010, 06:12:19 PM »
ours has 3 so we can deal with most small things that power liens down might cause
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SA Firefighter General / Re: Open letter to the SES
« on: July 31, 2010, 10:44:54 PM »
have to agree to that,
on another question can scc actaully drop pages for cfs and mfs, just watching the pager site, the last few tree jobs to cfs units have come from mfs while scc is still open
on another question can scc actaully drop pages for cfs and mfs, just watching the pager site, the last few tree jobs to cfs units have come from mfs while scc is still open
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SA Firefighter General / Re: Open letter to the SES
« on: July 31, 2010, 10:07:40 PM »
numbers maybe you might want to rememeber
John 8:7 "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone""
if you don't like how SCC do it i'm sure they would love your help.
also does a tree on power lines really need a fire truck?, you can't touch it any more than we can. if its blocking a road get sapol to babysit until etsa deal with it
John 8:7 "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone""
if you don't like how SCC do it i'm sure they would love your help.
also does a tree on power lines really need a fire truck?, you can't touch it any more than we can. if its blocking a road get sapol to babysit until etsa deal with it
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SA Firefighter General / Re: Ammusing pager message.
« on: July 21, 2010, 05:55:24 PM »
MFS: *CFSRES INC036 21/07/10 15:11,RESPOND ALARM 013/137,SAMFS,HEADQUARTERS,93 WAKEFIELD ST,ADELAIDE MAP 4 D 10 TG182,ASE DEVICE 1437,SPKL #1 SV S/W CORNER OF PREMISES,AD2011 ADL201
that would have to be the fastest arrival on site to a job in history
that would have to be the fastest arrival on site to a job in history
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Country Fire Service / Re: Brigade SFEC
« on: July 15, 2010, 07:42:52 PM »
out of curiosity how often are brigades area's checked to see if they have changed needs? as for example i'd imagine seaford / auldinga would have gone from a rural or rural urban bridage to a more urban bridge
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SA Firefighter General / Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« on: July 11, 2010, 09:30:42 PM »
basically due to ohsw 10hr break after 12hrs of ops (possibly having come from work so add another 8 hrs) sturt ran out of people that were able to crew trucks, when you have 3 trucks running with 4 - 5 on a truck plus ops crew you tend to use people pretty quick and even with them stood down their is still coverage from neighbouring units
numbers do you have an issue with ses all the time? if you are dumb enough to call resting crews soft even in jest after they've been out for 12 - 14 hrs and to work fatigued when you can be working at heights, cutting up trees with a chainsaw which will easily take your arm off if you aren't paying attention, drving a 12t truck possibly under evs standards, cutting someone from a car truck then you need your heads checked before you kill someone else
there needs to be a point where someone says stop they don't let mfs do it as far as i'm aware, they change crews on shifts. and bring cfs in to cover stations when needed, here they did the same thing stand sturt down and shift coverage to other units. if not where does the blame lie when we kill someone may even be your own crew might not be delibrate may not have happened if you had slept a bit in the last 24hrs i'd say the volunteer and his boss are in for an almightly donkey kicking and they have to live with killing your own crew for the rest of their lives.
it isn't worth it we don't get paid enough to take those risks
numbers do you have an issue with ses all the time? if you are dumb enough to call resting crews soft even in jest after they've been out for 12 - 14 hrs and to work fatigued when you can be working at heights, cutting up trees with a chainsaw which will easily take your arm off if you aren't paying attention, drving a 12t truck possibly under evs standards, cutting someone from a car truck then you need your heads checked before you kill someone else
there needs to be a point where someone says stop they don't let mfs do it as far as i'm aware, they change crews on shifts. and bring cfs in to cover stations when needed, here they did the same thing stand sturt down and shift coverage to other units. if not where does the blame lie when we kill someone may even be your own crew might not be delibrate may not have happened if you had slept a bit in the last 24hrs i'd say the volunteer and his boss are in for an almightly donkey kicking and they have to live with killing your own crew for the rest of their lives.
it isn't worth it we don't get paid enough to take those risks
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SA Firefighter General / Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« on: June 17, 2010, 01:22:10 PM »
funny thing is that the ses have an ewp, which is down at western adelaide, i would have thought it would have made far more sense to send for that rather than one of the major aerials
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Emergency Vehicles / Re: New Rescue van for CFS
« on: June 08, 2010, 12:27:31 PM »
darren
what i'm trying to get at is if at the moment yes they will need a truck to respond which it is already going to but instead of giving them a new truck worth several hunderd thousand just to cart their rcr gear this will do the same job for a lot less cost and doesn't need truck drivers, i'm not saying take away the trucks or don't take them to jobs, these vans could be a useful supplement to the job if they are designed right which personally i don't think this one is but the idea behind it isn't so bad
what i'm trying to get at is if at the moment yes they will need a truck to respond which it is already going to but instead of giving them a new truck worth several hunderd thousand just to cart their rcr gear this will do the same job for a lot less cost and doesn't need truck drivers, i'm not saying take away the trucks or don't take them to jobs, these vans could be a useful supplement to the job if they are designed right which personally i don't think this one is but the idea behind it isn't so bad
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Emergency Vehicles / Re: New Rescue van for CFS
« on: June 07, 2010, 09:58:46 PM »
really when you look at it the ses does't have that many vans all of our metro rescues are trucks with 4wds for light support - we've only got that trial transit floating around and thats a cab chassie not a van as such,
when you look at it for rcr for brigades and units there is a place for them as they are cheaper - with everyone complaining about money thats a large point does a high risk low call brigade really need a truck worth several hundred thousand or a 60,000 van. Akso the vans don't require a truck license to drive which for several ses units is a big advantage not sure about how cfs stands for drivers especially during day time.
so long as it can carry the kit required safely and i would have thought that a custom box on the back might have made more sense than what they have in the pics if you can get 10 vans compared to 4 trucks, you are going to increase the coverage of the equipment for responses.
Also as a pump will probably respond as well it gives you a second fend off vehicle for protection of the scene.
when you look at it for rcr for brigades and units there is a place for them as they are cheaper - with everyone complaining about money thats a large point does a high risk low call brigade really need a truck worth several hundred thousand or a 60,000 van. Akso the vans don't require a truck license to drive which for several ses units is a big advantage not sure about how cfs stands for drivers especially during day time.
so long as it can carry the kit required safely and i would have thought that a custom box on the back might have made more sense than what they have in the pics if you can get 10 vans compared to 4 trucks, you are going to increase the coverage of the equipment for responses.
Also as a pump will probably respond as well it gives you a second fend off vehicle for protection of the scene.
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Emergency Vehicles / Re: New Rescue van for CFS
« on: June 07, 2010, 07:20:53 PM »
"or trade your yellows for orange!"
hope that doesn't mean what i think it does, it would be nice if people stopped taking shots at other services we do all volunteer for the same reason
hope that doesn't mean what i think it does, it would be nice if people stopped taking shots at other services we do all volunteer for the same reason
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Emergency Vehicles / Re: SA SES Ford Transit
« on: June 04, 2010, 10:51:13 AM »
yeah it could but weights may become an issue, that was at metro south and that kits in on their 4.1 so they just transfered it over, but to access it once you start piling stuff in can get interesting.
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Emergency Vehicles / Re: New Rescue van for CFS
« on: June 03, 2010, 04:56:51 PM »
cfs firey i posted some pics from my mobile phone in the photos section of the forum
http://www.safirefighter.com/boards/index.php?topic=2486.0
http://www.safirefighter.com/boards/index.php?topic=2486.0