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Special Interest Image Posting => Emergency Vehicles => Topic started by: Shiner on November 16, 2007, 09:57:34 AM
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Pictures of the new Region 3 Hook Truck in operation.
Cracking truck with 6-speed auto box.
Will be based in Jervois, plans are to have a tanker pod (approx 12,000litres), the IMT/Staging pod as shown below and probably a tray.
Once tanker pod is built, will mean the current semi-tanker (BW17) will go elsewhere.
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great looking & sounding truck... but why jervois?
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They have a big enough station to fit it into...?? !! :|
Pip
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Is it only for region 3????
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They have a big enough station to fit it into...?? !! :|
Pip
mmmm i guess it needs somewhere to store the truck and pod(s).... but still i would have thought there would be more strategic places to keep it...
ie; in murray bridge itself.
would be nice to see a HAZMAT/CBR pod and a BA pod to go with the IMT and tanker pods hey...
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I love that the second photograph looks like the scoreboard is mounted on the truck with the pod on the ground......maybe it is just me working late :roll:
Good to see more of the hook trucks in service. SES have one based in metro adelaide & I think a few flat bed trucks.
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Ugh. Ugly.
Three cheers for the stand-alone specialised vehicle!
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My question is why? What is it for? (I know the IMT) Hasn't anybody heard of dog trailers? What did it cost?
The SES has one of these? Why? What is this for?
To me someone has had a dream - like the SAMFS Comms bus :-D I know the idea is to cut the cost by using pods instead but now you need a specialist truck which does not have the carrying capacity of a purpose built tray truck, tanker etc.
And if people want to have their fascination with shipping containers, build the containers & hire side lifters as required - I wonder where the money goes now I know, can't afford to build a shed to house the vehicles & equipment you have. Yet they build this - I'm sure you could get BWT's cheaper (second hand)than this will cost with a tanker pod. I'm sorry if I'm wrong but what the filtered is going on? And yes its ugly!
cheers
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This concept is used in australian capital cities and around the world by various fire services. So it obviously has some merit. BTW what makes you think the cost would be excessive???
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well in metro areas the idea is that 1 truck and a buss load of crew can work a job with a few pods hence save cash on trucks and the pod carrier can make a few trips.
but when CFS is fighting fires over a much greater area i cant see it being such a good idea.
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My question is why? What is it for? (I know the IMT) Hasn't anybody heard of dog trailers? What did it cost?
The SES has one of these? Why? What is this for?
To me someone has had a dream - like the SAMFS Comms bus :-D I know the idea is to cut the cost by using pods instead but now you need a specialist truck which does not have the carrying capacity of a purpose built tray truck, tanker etc.
And if people want to have their fascination with shipping containers, build the containers & hire side lifters as required - I wonder where the money goes now I know, can't afford to build a shed to house the vehicles & equipment you have. Yet they build this - I'm sure you could get BWT's cheaper (second hand)than this will cost with a tanker pod. I'm sorry if I'm wrong but what the filtered is going on? And yes its ugly!
cheers
ya gotta be joking chook.... i actually thought you were quite sensible and yet you think a hooklift/pod truck is a laughable idea?
how can you say the cost of this would be excessive? i shouldnt think a truck chassis with a hooklift attached would be all that expensive in the great scheme of things... and surely differant pods would not be overly expensive, as you say a basic storage pod would pretty much be a mini shipping container.... the tanker pod would probly cost a little more due to baffling though.
personally i think its a great idea... and as uniden said, the concept is used by multiple services worldwide.
ugly? phhht..... since when have CFS appliances not been ugly?
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This concept is used in Australian capital cities and around the world by various fire services. So it obviously has some merit. BTW what makes you think the cost would be excessive???
SAMFS and the MFESB in vic are the only two Aussie services with hard-ons for hook trucks aren't they?
The pod idea is ok, but only when you have multiple hook trucks and pods. Most of the the time the amount of gear carried and the efficiency of stowage is far superior on a purpose built appliance.
Take a look at any USAR 'Pod' vs. NSWFB USAR 1.
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The pod idea is ok, but only when you have multiple hook trucks and pods. Most of the the time the amount of gear carried and the efficiency of stowage is far superior on a purpose built appliance.
Take a look at any USAR 'Pod' vs. NSWFB USAR 1.
when you consider it though, there will be/are multiple trucks... peopel may not think about it, but the SES hook lifts are able to carry the MFS pods, MFS are able to do likewise with SES gear (although i believe they only have flat tops at the moment, pods still in production...) so surely the CFS gear will have been designed likewise (as long as someone was thinking)...
re; a USAR pod versus NSWFB USAR1 - how can you compare a pod truck to a dedicated USAR vehicle?
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I'm questioning the need for something in a region that can't afford to build a simple vehicle shed - I know - one of the groups of region 3 is co-located with us.
I'm questioning the need for a vehicle, that on paper looks like a great idea. But in reality how often will it be used?
This is in a service that can't pay for driver training! Same service that can't afford new sheds for its current fleet.
I would still like to know whats in the container? Since we have just finish refurbishing a room at our unit to be used as a joint IMT/ Training room - paid for by SES that we have been told is too small for a level 3 incident!
As for building a bulk water tanker (BTW) pod for it, you are possibly right - the cost would be similar to building a tanker to fit to a cab/chassis minus the vehicle of course. But it would be of a lower capacity to the equivilent BTW, WHY because you need to counter the weight of the hook assembly etc. It seems like one of those nice to haves but could have waited. As for the SES hook trucks, didn't know they existed - thought they were one of those evil rumours.
So yes I might seem like an idiot, but until some one can explain to me the rationale behind these vehicles and when all three services have trouble spending their budgets then I think these are an expensive toys.
Sorry I see greater needs elsewhere. - cheers
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May be that is why the region ahs no money left aftre buying this appliances/set up...should this have been funded at state level and not at region??? I like the idea as its used else where in this country works well and i guess with the amount of large IMT jobs in that region last year and the year before they have had some feed back from IMT personnel and this is what they ahve come up with...I think its a great idea and we should support it.. As for the station with no shed well that is very sad and one that CFS needs to pull its finger out and fix, along with all the other station problems around the state. Would be nice to go to a station that has a toilet or hand washing or better still a station that has power/water........
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Region don't pay for trucks, it was just allocated to them. Because we as a service are on the bones of our a*se they have to look at ways of doing things differently. But they way they are cutting courses and other programs all we will be able to do soon is drive to jobs and watch !!! :x
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Have to agree with chook.
Waste of money!
Makes sense in the urban environment but in region 3?
What’s wrong with the local station as an IMT point like what is done now.
Ask any member who is thinking what is best for their community, I’m sure a big fire truck that can deliver an portable office priority 1 in 3 minuets flat, is not high on their list
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how can you compare a pod truck to a dedicated USAR vehicle?
Because services are using Pod Trucks instead of having at least one fully featured specialised appliance for any given role.
We could build an awesome IMT vehicle, fully featured and ready for the coming fire season. Or we could build a half arsed office in a shipping container.
I know what I want my tax dollars spent on!
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Bravo :-D
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One of the reasons it may not be in region one was that MFS where ment to be getting that big looking IMT/COMMS bus that is still in sunny QLD... Region 3 is in a good location for deployment of the pod into region's and I think its a great idea having all you need in a pod...... Any idea what is inside??
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These new pods are a great investment of tax payer dollars cause they can be set up quickly at any IMT staging area kinda like a popup tent which can be set up quickly at a campsite :-)
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Blinky, most ICV's have a setup that allows an IMT to work from them, so separate areas for the IC, PO, LO, OO. They are equipped with radios, phones, faxes, computers etc. Some have large television screens with multiple things they can display eg: Street Maps, Photographical Satellite Maps, Hydrant location overlays. There also exists the ability to monitor the incident and the surrounding areas via video cameras on the ICV itself and via streaming pictures from other locations around the fireground.
God knows what the Region 3 Shipping container has.
I can understand maybe an Urban Service having a excuse for pods, but Region 3, let alone the CFS?! What other pods are they going to have? Bulk Water, Hazmat, Decon, BA support are all better suited to either a dedicated vehicle or a trailer that can be attached to *any* vehicle with a towbar.
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What is wrong with you people? The pod system absolutely work's and has been around for at least 30 years & i've lost count of the amount of live's it saves as it arrives on the scene with just seconds to spare!!!!
Now if I can just remember was it thunderbird 1 or 4 and was it Allan or virgil at the controls.
Hope it has that excellent thunderbirds theme music blasting out over the PA system as they upload the pod before the mandatory 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 blast off .AAh yes are tax dollars hard at work!
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These new pods are a great investment of tax payer dollars cause they can be set up quickly at any IMT staging area kinda like a popup tent which can be set up quickly at a campsite :-)
I have no argument with the idea of specialist pods as such - IMT, HazMat, CABA, etc. Can be a cheap way to get Good Gear happening.
The Big Problem I forsee in the case of the R3 vehicle is that generally the first thing it will respond as is "Tanker". That will pretty much tie the vehicle up for the next umpteen hours, rendering it unable to deliver any other pods anywhere.
So a Tanker pod is probably not such a good idea...
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I guess it will get a run soon up the river if that fire keeps going...
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Already here flash funiture truck (see other post). Impressive, still think its a waste. Came to Berri unloaded some stuff now at Cobby staging area.
cheers
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The Big Problem I forsee in the case of the R3 vehicle is that generally the first thing it will respond as is "Tanker". That will pretty much tie the vehicle up for the next umpteen hours, rendering it unable to deliver any other pods anywhere.
So a Tanker pod is probably not such a good idea... (Quote)
Could'nt agree more
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See comments on other post
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Already here flash funiture truck (see other post). Impressive, still think its a waste. Came to Berri unloaded some stuff now at Cobby staging area.
cheers
wow must be a waste...
being used already to bolster IMT resources in a remote area...
complete waste of tax payers money.... :roll:
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I actually think the hook trucks if used co-operatively between MFS, CFS & SES could have its use. I think there are four or more in SA now.
At a major incident, two or more hook trucks can take materials to the incident area from various storage areas.
For example,
* the SES hook truck can collect the tents & foam supplies from Brukunga on the flat bed. The flat bed tray can be left at the Staging Area.
* the CFS hook truck can collect resource most needed (maybe empty water storage tank for staging area that can be filled by any water tanker).
* the other CFS hook truck can then collect the CFS IMT Pod.
* then the SES & other CFS truck can return to Adelaide awaiting response to another incident.
* the CFS Region 3 truck can stay on site and move equipment as required.
* After the incident was complete, the CFS truck can do the multiple trips to drop everything back to original location.
This means that three trucks and drivers are not required at the incident the whole time. It means the resources are shared.
Not eveything can be on pods and loading/unloading equipment can tie up volunteers. I have seen how long it takes to load and unload a flatbed truck manually. Even with the tailgate lifter on the SES Flatbed truck it is a long time with many volunteers occupied away from front line trucks.
The SES hook truck is an all-wheel drive to cover flood events, so to build that capability into multiple 'logistic' trucks would be expensive.
Another question I have, how quick could a container unloader or forklift be at the Moorook staging area ? Genuine question, because I do not know.
For me the key is to make sure that the resources are shared and not exclusive to one organisation.
** my thoughts & opinions only **
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Same time it would have taken for the hook truck if a container side lifter was organised quick enough. Locally side lifters are available.
Maybe the the pods should be portable offices, if you are using that many trucks.
I think at the end of the day, the will be a group of people who support the concept & believe its urgently needed - those who work in IMT's, staging areas etc.
And those who think nice idea - does the developement of this capability need to be a high priority?
I could argue the need for an all terrain forklift, which would counter the loading/ loading issue. I'm sure however my counterparts would howl me down. So I guess it depends where you sit :wink:
cheers
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I could argue the need for an all terrain forklift, which would counter the loading/ loading issue. I'm sure however my counterparts would howl me down. So I guess it depends where you sit :wink:
cheers
This counterpart won't howl you down.
Retardant bags.
Arrived on a semi-trailer from Melbourne around midnight to resupply after a heavy day's bombing.
Airstrip volunteers, already stuffed from a day of loading retardant into bombers, paged to return to the strip unload 10 or a dozen pallets-full of retardant bags into the storage shipping container. (approx 10 tonnes in 15Kg bags.)
By hand.
Won't be happening again.
CFS HQ can find a suitable fork-lift or come down & do it themselves.
One of those 4WD Canadian units with the telsecoping boom would do the job. Hire or second one from a brick delivery contractor.
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Set up Pods with a forklift, bobcat like MFB do.
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Interesting that at least one interstate fire service is looking at the set up of the new IMT POD, with a view to improving their own pods..... :-D
Pip
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Pic of the inside of the IMT Pod (it was already working, so half the stuff was already out...)
Photo by Ashes
Pip
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R3 Logistics Transporter is on KI now
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Was sent with IMT/Staging pod last Wednesday night, be interesting to get feedback from anyone having seen or used it....? (rather than opinion on where money should/could of been spent - while this opinion is good, the truck/pods have been bought and are in use now so what do people think....)
The two crew that took it came home safe last night.
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R3 Logistics Transporter is on KI now
and has been given a hell of a work out by the sounds of it...
still a complete waste chook?
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I still suggest it is a waste :)
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Same Same, just because its being used doesn't mean that is the correct use of tax payers funds!
I'm sure that if that $1.2 million bus was allowed on the roads it would be there too :wink: What is it going to do for the rest of the year? bearing in mind you don't have the other pods yet. Maybe you guys should consider buying a landing craft as well :-D.
Anyway its too late to change things now, so no point going on about it - I'm admitting defeat :oops:
cheers
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LOL - Im just having a dig ;)
mind you it does seem to be doing good work in my books ;)
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I know Mack - dig appreciated :wink: