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General Discussion => Country Fire Service => Topic started by: car31 on May 14, 2007, 10:24:11 AM
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Well with about 45 days left in the yearly call stats tally how are different brigades numbers looking? I think my brigade is going to be about 65-80 calls higher than last years total, what about other brigades? I think morphett vale are going to be very high also.
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Well as at the end of january we were looking like killing last years numbers but we've come to a screaming halt, only just scraped up level with last year so far i think around the 110 mark so far.
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Been a little while since i looked at the book, but im pretty sure we would be up by at least 20 or so by now..... MVA's still keeping us busy unfortunatly...
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I beleive Morphett Vale are up over 400 now?
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going by their website they are 408, as of the 9/5 and would of had a few more jobs since then.
Think Salisbury may of just cracked the 400 also.
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we are about the same as last year 43 so far...last year we finished on 52..
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we are about the same as last year 43 so far...last year we finished on 52..
Better get those mets down there to start calling you more. :-D
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They havent really had any big jobs either though...
Been quite hectic the last month...been as busy as it normally is in summer.
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We have been way too quiet... probably the quietest year for the last 8 or so.....was looking really busy up until January, and then it just stopped... :-(
Pip
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I agree pip its gone way to quite to quick for my likings :|
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morphies call rates are only so high because they are dual response with seaford. :-P
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Well we are about 10 behind last years 55 kinda had nothing after Jan.
Is it just me or does every one have this similar pattern of nothing much in 07?
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Is it just me or does every one have this similar pattern of nothing much in 07?
Negative - quite the opposite
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I think the only ones around us that have kept going would be strathalbyn, but that has mainly been MVA's like mike said, it's like people get near strath and just lose the plot, either that or they think why not do it here they're a good mob :-P :lol:
Yes 24P but i could be wrong but you are from the northern suburbs??? It doesn't matter up there half the population are arsonists anyhow :-o :lol:
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G D you monkey, you jinxed us.
We've been pretty quiet for the last couple of months. Almost ready to conduct the ancient PPE resurection ceremony. No sooner had the gear been crucified on a barbed wire fence, hose at the ready, when the pager went off.
Two jobs today. Not sure of the tally as yet though.
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Yes 24P but i could be wrong but you are from the northern suburbs??? It doesn't matter up there half the population are arsonists anyhow :-o :lol:
Mund, I do not think comments like that are appropriate on a public forum such as this. Fair enough if that is your view of people from the northern suburbs. However, it is an unsubstantiated, sterotypical comment that people like myself, who are from the Northern Suburbs and are well adjusted members of society, like MOST people in my area, may take offence to.
End rant.
Just to keep in line with the thread, my brigade is about even with our call rates for this time of year compared to previous years.
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alphaone I was having a bit of a dig and a joke i apologise if i offended you
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No personal offence taken by me mund, I was just making a point that some people who may visit this forum, may be offended. I know the reputation that the northern suburbs has, I have to live with it everyday cause I live there. But I also know that those that cause the trouble are only a minority, and we as a community do not like those people in our area. We are not the only area to suffer this propblem, but because of demographics, it is more noticeable by the wider public, due to media attention.
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Naracoorte is sitting on 123 as of today
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Wow its interesting to hear how many jobs brigades have gone to my station is on about 230. I know brigades like Morphett Vale do dual response for Seaford and Salisbury for Virginia. They hit up around the 400 mark but when does it become to much.
Seriously I'm like you all and love what i do in the service, but you have to ask the question of how much the CFS can bleed out of individuals. Money lost in petrol costs, wages, time away from family it would be staggering if you added it up over the years.
I take my hat off to the guys in those really busy brigades. Must be a huge juggling act for them.
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My brigade is sitting on 281 as of last night, and there is a group of us that are at nearly every job, and I know we are getting tired, due to the constant juggling act to find time for day to day stuff. Yet we still respond to the station when the pager goes cause we love what we do and we want to serve our community to the best of our abilities.
I could not imagine doing 400+ calls a year like some other brigades do, I too take my hat of to them.
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I admire them as well
do you guys in really busy brigades have a unsuccessful method of getting everyone to do there share of calls? yes sometimes you just can't get there but my brigade has the same core group of people to pretty much everything. although it isn't a problem for us i could see 400 plus callouts REALLY need the entire team working together.
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Well those brigade's that do lots of calls 200+ would not be able to do these calls with out the help of members who are shift workers,who have family and bosses that allow them to go to call outs. as for petrol and costing well that should not come into it,we do our job to serve and provide a community and state service to the people of SA and those other place's that we love to visit.Now and then we get a free holiday from CFS....Sorry that is a working holiday.
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we're on 49 i think, a pretty regular year for us.
yeah from my brigades point of view i cant fathom attending 400 calls a year.
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that's very true isn't it. If a brigade does over 400 CPY they would understand that and have mechanisms in place to make it as easy as possible. Mind you they still do a brilliant job
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we're on 49 i think, a pretty regular year for us.
yeah from my brigades point of view i cant fathom attending 400 calls a year.
Make you wonder though, your brigade does 50 odd calls per year but your neigbours do 300+. But i suppose you are in a relativly quiet area.
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we're on 49 i think, a pretty regular year for us.
yeah from my brigades point of view i cant fathom attending 400 calls a year.
Make you wonder though, your brigade does 50 odd calls per year but your neigbours do 300+. But i suppose you are in a relativly quiet area.
na, its just that we're sandwiched between 2 busy brigades. plus both neighbours are rescue, one services the freeway, the other services a good chunk of the blackwood/belair area.
but we have a shop to look after :oops:
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I've been at a flat out brigade and there is really nothing you can do to manage it really well. Its pretty much the same from a 50+ to a 300+ brigade you get your core guys that show all the time and then those that show fairly regularly to those guys that show up here and there.
To hard to put rosters in place. For example your wife, girlfriend or for those with kids wants to do something. What are you going to say sorry cant I'm on roster pager might go off! for something you don't get paid for.
Generally the Lt's and Seniors talk to let each other know their movements as well as the Fire fighters, so if you know for example if a whole heap have something on the weekend. Those having an easy weekend know to keep an eye on their pagers.
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Probably about 270 this year
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I could not imagine doing 400+ calls a year like some other brigades do, I too take my hat of to them.
Here here.
And we know its not just the calls, its also time aside for brigade training, attending training courses, admin, maintenance, burn-offs, meetings and a host of PR/fundraising activities and community events, as well as attending the odd court appearance..(was that in poor taste? Yes, probably was. Delete that bit). And I'm sure some of you could think of further comittments that come with specific brigade roles. It really is quite amazing to sit back and think that as an organisation we are still operating mostly on the goodwill and hardwork of many volunteers. Something to be very proud of I think.
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Has anyone seen the report done last year (or possibly this year) on the cost of volunteering? I beleive it covered all (or most) services nationally.
Summary = those who are employed wear a cost of $1679pa (excluding any costs to employer).
Self employed people average $3282pa, and the retired end of town incur $687pa.
These costs are made up of both cash & in-kind contributions. I haven't been bothered to read whether or not that includes time (I don't think it does).
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I have always been impressed by those brigades with huge call rates per year. I know in my brigade we were quite happy when we hit the double digits the first time and then when we we hit 15 per year we were even happier we are hopping that we again have another 15 this year as we should be close to it.
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We have 87 as of tonight
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227 as of this arvo,
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351 :lol:
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were in the mid-90s at the moment... which is alright considering were not getting many of the tree and storm damage jobs (used to average about 15-20) now that MFS are fielding SES dispatch, we only get 1 or 2 now.
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The new funding for brigades will start with the new budget year so some brigades will be happy and other wont.... It basically works like this the more calls you do the more money you get,the number of appliances you have and other activates you do..... Wont to know more I would say get along to your next group meeting....coming to a fire station near you :mrgreen:
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I may have interpreted incorrectly, but it appears that some people seem keen to have more callouts or proud that their area is particularly fraught with emergencies that require our services regularly. I find that more than a little strange :-(
We work in an arena of public safety - for us to have call outs at all means someone may be hurt, in danger or has been killed. So surely we would all be praying to Alah that we have less calls, which means our community is safer.
It would be great to see a focus on prevention/education and a consequent drop in call rate, would it not? :?
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Perhaps so Blue, but on the other hand, brigades with low call rates may have trouble keeping their members interested & enthusiastic. It is very difficult to keep new people enthused, when they join up, and then don't get to go to a call of any type in six months or more.
There is also an aspect of keeping people's skill levels up...while you do lots & lots of training which is aimed at maintaining skills, you also want to get to practice some of those skills for real (and throw in some adrenaline, and people may react differently to what they do in training) - so an opportunity to try those skills for real is good.
I know what number of calls ideally suit my brigade - in term of keeping the interested, attracting new members, not putting too much strain on the existing members...we did 61 calls one year, and it was just right for us....but we have much lower call rates for the rest of time...... :-(
Pip
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The new funding for brigades will start with the new budget year so some brigades will be happy and other wont.... It basically works like this the more calls you do the more money you get,the number of appliances you have and other activates you do..... Wont to know more I would say get along to your next group meeting....coming to a fire station near you :mrgreen:
Thats a bit odd Bill cause we heard we'd actually be getting less in our budget next year (Even though we've been busier this year). That to me sounded like the funding had already been set at a fixed rate. :?
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well i did think that the other night when we where informed of it...
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Thats a bit odd Bill cause we heard we'd actually be getting less in our budget next year (Even though we've been busier this year). That to me sounded like the funding had already been set at a fixed rate. :?
Maybe the funding simulator has determined you have been over funded in past years and the new rate is what should be required?
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Nah just more money going into the MFS maybe. Seriously i thought the CFS budget on a whole had been cut?
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mabey CFS should do what the uni does and go way over budget then the Uni gets a bigger budget the next year.
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Nah just more money going into the MFS maybe. Seriously i thought the CFS budget on a whole had been cut?
Think Ashes had said that it had been boosted for next year due to the required driver training....but maybe its been cut from other areas?
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The new funding for brigades will start with the new budget year so some brigades will be happy and other wont.... It basically works like this the more calls you do the more money you get,the number of appliances you have and other activates you do..... Wont to know more I would say get along to your next group meeting....coming to a fire station near you :mrgreen:
Thats a bit odd Bill cause we heard we'd actually be getting less in our budget next year (Even though we've been busier this year). That to me sounded like the funding had already been set at a fixed rate. :?
Not exactly, i understand it goes on an average no. of callouts over the last 5 yrs,how many appliances you have,If you are BA,RCR or HAZMAT,then you are entitled to xtra funding accordingly. The average no. of callouts will put you into a catagory of either a A+,A,B,C or D.Each catagory is then funded the same base rate with the xtra funding added where applicable.
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Not exactly, i understand it goes on an average no. of callouts over the last 5 yrs,how many appliances you have,If you are BA,RCR or HAZMAT,then you are entitled to xtra funding accordingly. The average no. of callouts will put you into a catagory of either a A+,A,B,C or D.Each catagory is then funded the same base rate with the xtra funding added where applicable.
Sounds all very interesting! :-o Does this mean that brigades will be getting a private allocation of funding, or will groups be given the amount for each brigade?
Also, do you know roughly how many calls would fit into what bracket (Would it be > 400 = A+ and < 5 = D?)?
Finally, any idea how much extra funding is allocated for specialities? (Are we talking $200 extra, or $20,000 extra?) :|
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Not exactly, i understand it goes on an average no. of callouts over the last 5 yrs,how many appliances you have,If you are BA,RCR or HAZMAT,then you are entitled to xtra funding accordingly. The average no. of callouts will put you into a catagory of either a A+,A,B,C or D.Each catagory is then funded the same base rate with the xtra funding added where applicable.
Sounds all very interesting! :-o Does this mean that brigades will be getting a private allocation of funding, or will groups be given the amount for each brigade?
Also, do you know roughly how many calls would fit into what bracket (Would it be > 400 = A+ and < 5 = D?)?
Finally, any idea how much extra funding is allocated for specialities? (Are we talking $200 extra, or $20,000 extra?) :|
some of the funds will still be held as usual by groups with some also held at regional level.
An A+ brigade is 150+ callouts per year, A brigade is 76- 149 per year & goes down from there with D- 0-6 per year.
About $250 per BA set & around $1000 for RCR & HAZMAT.
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$1000 wouldn't even cover upkeep of 1 set of RCR gear