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General Discussion => Incident Operations => Topic started by: bajdas on June 28, 2006, 02:14:47 PM
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13:09:26 28-06-06 Ncte GCC: Please be advised Naracoorte attending two calls, one at Padthaway and one at Joanna, please respond if able for any other calls 28/06/06
13:01:15 28-06-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: JOANNA, NARACOORTE & PENOLA RESPOND RESCUE CONCRETE BRIDGE ROAD OPP SMARTS DAIRY PERSON WITH ARM IN WOODSPLITTER < 28/06/2006 13:01:01
12:17:39 28-06-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: PADTHAWAY & NARACOORTE RESPOND RCR RIDDOCH HIGHWAY PADTHAWAY TURNOFFF 2 VEHICLES CONFIRMED ENTRAPMENTS < 28/06/2006 12:17:26
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I have driven past Naracoorte CFS & understand they have a large active membership, as well as multiple vehicles.
To satisfy my curiosity, with two Rescue incidents active on one brigade, does this qualify for another CFS brigade to do a COQ to Naracoorte CFS ?
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well, if theres a brigade to do that kind of work, its the boys at naracoorte. Interestingly, wouldn't their rescue appliance be required for both jobs?
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how many sets of rescue gear do they have ?
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We have one set of rescue gear have asked for another set but been knocked back,I was on the rescue at the first job when the second call came in and so penola was paged as they are rescue. We like other brigade's have a decline in members that can get away,I was working in town today but that is becoming rare these days. We would love a second set of rescue gear so as to put on our pumper and we have made attemps to buy a second set but CFS H/Q will not allow us...This is not the first time that we have had two jobs at once all in all a good job and crews worked well with what they had....
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I found these 3 SAAS pager messages off the paging site and it seems that Nangwarry 81 was called because Penola 81 didnt have a crew rostered on
1908543 13:13:41 28-06-06 NG81 Cat 2 - Failed Secondary
1908543 13:10:05 28-06-06 NG81 Cat3 Concrete Bridge Rd, Joanna
1908542 13:01:22 28-06-06 PN81 No crew rostered Urgent case in area contact comms ONLY if able to attend
Talk about a real busy day i would have thought they would call SES from Mount Gambier for COQ to cover Naracoorte while Naracoorte rescue was out
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But who would then cover Gambier? (I know there is MFS, but according to the RCR Directory SES are the responding authority)
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Wattle Range SES of course as they have a RCR rescue truck and trained crew.... plus Millicent CFS would cover them as we all know Millicent is a RCR brigade as well
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Okay, so why wouldnt Millicent CFS rescue move in and cover naracoorte... Being CFS??
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hmm, this is going in circles a little isn't it?
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Ok,look Naracoorte rescue was at first job for about one hour,penola is the next rescue brigade for our group south of us.Padthaway is rescue so when we got out there we used there gear as they only had a crew of two...COQ does not work down here like it does in the city why??? Well its a long drive between places,It would take SES from the mount or Millicent or bordertown one hour yo get here then you have the problem of who will cover their area??So its not that easy like in the city..... It should be noted that When our members who where back at base where paged they responded in car two to provide first aid till an ambulance crew arrived which was manned by of duty SAAS member who is also a brigade member.As it was the man's arm was free when crews arrived on scene......Yes a busy day but a job well done by excellent team work and by those at base making sure correct guildlines for this type Of situation where followed....So as you can see what works for us Will not work for you as you have more RCR(so called) brigades near you than we do......
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Only reason I asked is cause robert brought it up.. Thought it must have been common practice.. I personally think the COQ was a pox idea.
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COQ of rescue would just not work... thinkabout it , you cant go moving resources that already cover several hundred/poss. thousand square kilometres,,, just not going to work at all.
brigades everywhere get multiple incidents at the same time, you deal with it by calling the next closest resource to cover your donkey, which it looks like naracoorte have done perfectly, so top points for them for not letting ego/pride get in the way.
sometimes these things happen and a response time is slightly slower because a resource has to come from somewhere else.... shite happens.
re; a second set of gear. an RCR brigade only needs one set of heavy per the green book, so i doubt you;d ever get a second set supplied... perhaps if the brigade/group feels strongly, then buy a set of RIT yourselves...
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Thanks for the information regards country COQ. Now a city kid understands a bit better. :wink:
Genuine thanks...
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Thanks for the information regards country COQ. Now a city kid understands a bit better. :wink:
Genuine thanks...
dont get me wrong badjas, COQ does happen, i have seen a brigade move an appliance into Naracoorte station due to there entire groups commitment at an incident, but this just wouldnt work for RCR coverage... plus its not a common occurence to get COQ for RCRs... usually the RCR unit will clear the scene as soon as possible to remain available for further calls.
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Yeah, no real need for a COQ for a single 'normal' incident. Is there anyway at Naracoorte you guys could argue for an omni tool? We have our rescue truck with our heavy gear, but then another pump/omnitool and the basics on our pumper. Works well if the brown stuff hits the spinning thing.
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When all the new Lukas came out a few years ago some brigades got to keep their old equipment as a second set....
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we would have liked to have kept our old gear but it went with the old rescue, we have asked for a comtool but once again no I feel the only way to get one is to have a set donated to the brigade.CFS have said no you can't buy a set.Mind you there are a few old sets of gear and pumps sitting in a shed in the HILLS...
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1919403 20:14:07 29-06-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: MURRAY BRIDGE RESPOND MVA BRINKLY ROAD FROM MURRAY BRIDGE TOWARDS LANGHORN CREEK PAST TIP BUT BEFORE BOGGY LAKE INTERSECTION - CAR VS TREE NO ENTRAPMENTS BELIEVED < 29/06/2006 8:13:56 PM
1905655 22:28:58 29-06-06 PRIMARY ALARM, I1: FIRE ALARM, MOBILONG PRISON, MAURICE ROAD, MURRAY BRIDGE
1919403 00:55:00 30-06-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: MURRAY BRIDGE RESPOND TYRE POWER ADELAIDE ROAD < 30/06/2006 12:54:47 AM (believethis was a rubbish fire assist MFS)
pretty busy maybe they need an extra pump :wink:
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Why do they need a extra pump??? dont they have a pumper and a 24? does not the mfs have two pumpers???
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1919403 20:14:07 29-06-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: MURRAY BRIDGE RESPOND MVA BRINKLY ROAD FROM MURRAY BRIDGE TOWARDS LANGHORN CREEK PAST TIP BUT BEFORE BOGGY LAKE INTERSECTION - CAR VS TREE NO ENTRAPMENTS BELIEVED < 29/06/2006 8:13:56 PM
1905655 22:28:58 29-06-06 PRIMARY ALARM, I1: FIRE ALARM, MOBILONG PRISON, MAURICE ROAD, MURRAY BRIDGE
1919403 00:55:00 30-06-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: MURRAY BRIDGE RESPOND TYRE POWER ADELAIDE ROAD < 30/06/2006 12:54:47 AM (believethis was a rubbish fire assist MFS)
No rubbish fire...........................
johnsxxm:Muray Bridge MFS are involved in a tyre fire at Beau Repairs Adeaide Rd Murray Bridge. They have used 130 litres of foam and need replenishing. CFS are assisting
pretty busy maybe they need an extra pump :wink:
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Why do they need a extra pump??? dont they have a pumper and a 24? does not the mfs have two pumpers???
Yes but the MFS in Murray Bridge consistantly have trouble getting one crew out the door let alone two. Give the CFS one of their pumps and make them primary response for the town I say.
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I think Medevac was being sarcastic ;)
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i have heard about this before,an alledged low morale issue in murray bridge. any truth behind this?
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I was talking to one of the MFS guys from there and they have a full crew but hard to get out the door due to work and life.....May be a satelite cfs station with a pumper nice type two would look good.....
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They are already getting a type 2 next financial year.
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i understand(cant confirm) that CFS has placed a order for two type two pumpers and one should be here before xmas 2006 and I would say it will be rolling into Murray bridge...
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i hope no pun meant " rollling into Murray Bridge"
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Sorry NUN ment........
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I think Medevac was being sarcastic ;)
:wink:
just taking the piss...
funny how little it takes to set off at a tangent.
Murray Bridge should be taking delivery of the next type 2, believe Burnside is also meant to be getting one, but they want a MFS build scania pumper.... dont we all?
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Nothing wrong with the type two pumper may be burnside needs a new station for all that gear that they have,So why do they want a MFS built one?? Do they think they go faster wil a red truck :lol:
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MFS build Scania... as in exaclty the same set up... except white....
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Does anyone know the cost of the MFS scania???
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i believe it is around the 350,000 mark...?
but 500,000 also rings a bell....
any cranks got some info here?
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,Dont think the type two pumper cost's that amount but it would be nice to see what we do pay for appliances.
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i recall hearing that the type two's were around the 250 mark
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Ive heard around 330,000 for a Scania around the traps.
If Burnside want an MFS truck, give them one of the old Volvo's :-P "Come to think of it a type2 Isuzu does look good"
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Wouldnt mind seeing their argument for needing one though.
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I believe the new 34's kitted out came in at just over the 200,000 mark
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Well, we could have bought a Scania for the amount the CFS has ended up paying for our Pumper. Still, it makes sense to have the state using one type of Urban Pumper, in terms of purchasing and maintenance. None of this rear mounted pump bollocks. Its so nice to have to reverse up to booster cabinets. :roll:
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Let me guess your from Stirling. lol
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Why didnt Mt BArker get a white Scania instead of the Dennis. WOuld have been a lot easier.
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Well a Scania fully kitted out is about $450k but the Dennis fully re-furbished was only about $100k. So thats probably the reason why.
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Even with shipping costs and all the stuff they had to do tog et it here and get it going?
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Why didnt Mt BArker get a white Scania instead of the Dennis. WOuld have been a lot easier.
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the only reason the Dennis was ever purchased was , CFS trying to get heavy pumpers for cheap $$$
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Would ahve tohught an Isuzu would ahve been cheaper than gettign in the dennis, or making a CFS Scania. I dont know, just thinking with no real evidence.
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look at stirling pumper.... good truck when it wants to be, but thats an ISUZU build thats ended up costing the service quite a bit becasue they have designed there own, instead of going with an existing design on an already used chassis...
100,000 for a operational pumper is pretty good.
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Much more cost effective to say "Hey Skilled (if they still manufacture the Scanias for MFS) can you build 3 more scanias, same set up as the MFS ones, just paint them white!"
Then we already have the maintenance facilities here, and a tried and true truck build. $100,000 for an operational pumper? One that is already 10 years old having done around 3000 jobs a year(or so the stories go). Yep, money very well spent...
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The issue with Stirling pumper wasn't a case of them designing their own and it not working - it was a case of the CFS not following their designs, but rather going for the cheapest option... (again)... :|
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Then we already have the maintenance facilities here, and a tried and true truck build. $100,000 for an operational pumper? One that is already 10 years old having done around 3000 jobs a year(or so the stories go). Yep, money very well spent...
well i said operational pumper... nothing else.
the Mt Barker boys & girls seem to love it though.
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The word from 1 of the barker boys was that the type 2 was ~$290,000....
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Mt Barkers type 2 was altered for rescue so could of possibly cost more then a normal type 2.
Also $100,000 for the Dennis was the quoted price wasnt it? After all the screwing around and unexpected stuff didnt it cost a heap more?
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i believe there were a few extra $$ involved to get it fixed up a wee bit...
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Time CFS made up its mind on what pumper is best for the service and that volunteers had a berrt input into what is needed...MMMMM are we of topic????
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Im under the impression they have decided... type 2's are the only pumps being supplied recently.
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At last,way to go and they are a great pumper and will look good in a few country stations that need a pumper and yes also in those hills brigades...
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So no more 24P, 34P's?
Type2 looks better definetely.
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24Ps and 34Ps are not pumpers...
from the current trend i am under the impression that CFS wil lstill use
14s
34s
34Ps
type 2s
just from my observations not any hard fact
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What are they then
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well 24P and 34P appliances still serve a purpose for brigades that need an appliance(s) to serve a dual role of both urban type incidents as well as rural type jobs, So type 2 pumpers arent suitable for everyone.
24P,34P = 500gpm pumps. about 1900 litres per minute
Type 2 = 750gpm pumps. about 3000 litres per minute.
so yes there is a bit of difference.
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Athol,you are correct a type two pumper will not suite most brigades and it should be noted I did say pumper as that is what they are. A 24 or 34p are jsut that a part time pumper a little like the CFA pumper/tanker,not a bad looking appliances.
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burnside have rad stuff.
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burnside have rad stuff
not really... and dont take this as a diss burnside.. because its not.
burnside pumper is aorund the 25yo mark and due for replacement.... and then they have a 24 and a tanker...
state hazmat is alright for the purpose it serves...
you'd think for the area they cover theyd have some top stuff... but then again they are stationed in MFS area :wink:
once again dont take that the wrong way
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All I can say is Scania's and Retained fire fighters....
Nah I would like to say that I am proud that Burnside have stood up to his political crap coming from the top and are not standing back to watch their brigade fall. I still do not understand how brigades can get pumpers 25 years ago and get them replaced with a rural 34p....
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(http://www.ozfire.org/files/appliances0461_154.jpg)
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^^ ?
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I like Burnsides Volvo.
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the everything truck? yeah, not too bad. I like the hazmat truck better, more fun and expensive toys.
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If its the same hazmat truck I remember... its a brick on wheels! lol
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A brick that carries fun and expensive toys!! :)
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spot on! :wink: :lol:
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Biggest fly swatter in the CFS. Drove the brick to Gladstone and my what a mess is was.
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Time burside got some new appliances so as they can keep up the good work and lets face it who else would want the state hazmat unit at their station????
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Time burside got some new appliances ????
Like a Scania? :-D
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Biggest fly swatter in the CFS. Drove the brick to Gladstone and my what a mess is was.
State Hazmat was a mess, or Gladstone was a mess? :?
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Either way, it makes sense.
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An MFS scania is normally about 440k-450k fitted out depending on how many they get. When stirling were first looking at a pumper they were told of a scania being placed on the end of the MFS order, Australian Fire Company went bust so couldn't build the White Scania, so CFS cut costs and ended up paying around 400k for stirling pumper after all the problems it is probably more. The Type 2's are 320k for a bulk order. Dennis now yes Camo the quoted price was 100k, that truck would have cost at least 400k-500k after all the stuff ups. It is still getting fixed and yes it is a good truck but it is now 15 years old, what was gained....CFS and the government need to bite the bullet and buy 5-10 heavy duty pumpers and give them to the brigades that need them. So what if you spend 440k on a scania at least it will last and not be in the workshops every 5 seconds.
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I just like how we go from a topic naracoorte busy to appliances..... :lol: