SA Firefighter

Your a useless fu ck mate. Your post bore no relevance to the thread, hence my reply. You and several others are the reason this forum has never been more than a joke.

Hiding behind an alias and doing nothing more than trolling is not contributing.

Mods feel free to do whatever you like.

Straight to the heart! Have you tried meditation? You seem very cranky. There are many reasons why this forum has never been more than a joke, and most of them are pretty much the same reasons why the CFS in many respects is nothing more than a joke.

And perhaps just to clear something up, as your anger seems to be clouding your reading comprehension, my original post was, in a horribly offense manner, trying to suggest that we have no training for correct siren operation and that as 90% of CFS volunteers are unable to operate the basic controls correctly, why should they get an extra two tones to try and use properly?

Do you give a station that can't operate a 24 a Heavy Pumper? Of course not! (oh wait...)

I guess if your experience is only the MFS, or an MFS wannabe Brigade, then thats the way you think. They are wedded to that thinking, but it's actually flawed. Maybe its just that SOs are control freaks and still want to feel like they are part of the game. Maybe its just that MFS guys cant drive....I don't know. Actually, as I said, it's the driver's responsibility. Failure to correctly operate the warning devices that contributes to or causes an accident/incident, and the driver wears it - HE/SHE is in legal control of the vehicle. The officer SHOULD be doing much more important filtered on the way to a job, like listening/talking on all 3 (or more) radios , listening for oncoming appliances, pre-plans, crew allocations, thinking about bomber use,and a 1000 other more useful things at a fire, than worrying about when to change the siren from wail to yip.

 But then, you wont agree Numbers.....life's like that

I agree with your basic premise regarding who is "in control" of the vehicle as per legislation. At the end of the day, anything that vehicle does is the responsibility of the driver.

In terms of common sense, (especially when driving manual vehicles) I think that the less the driver has to do the better. Not to mention that only a small portion of CFS vols are regular truck drivers and an even smaller portion are regular emergency drivers.

The setup of the siren controls in the current 34P's is a pain, but way better than having it at the rear of the console like the older 24/24P. The Type 2 Pumper with the ACS console accessible by both driver and OIC, plus the OIC stomp switch is a pretty good setup that allows either person to operate the necessary controls.

Sure the OIC has a few other things he should be doing route, but so has the driver (Appliance siting, Booster ID, Hydrant ID, not hitting other vehicles, etc, etc) and is it really that hard to mash a stomp switch to change from wail to yelp and back again while you're talking on the radio? (although the same could be said for a driver side stomp switch)

As long as the driver doesn't need to take his hands off the wheel, it could well work. I've little experience with stomp switches on the driver side, only the old ACCO High beam stomp switch. So it could work...

If only the trucks were auto, it'd be so much easier...

Thanks for the useful info.

Someone's gotta provide it, god knows you can't.

difficult to bother using anything remotely concerned with sirens when the CFS do such a wonderful job of making it so user friendly for the driver to operate (remember he is the one with the responsibility for the safe passage of the appliance - not the officer). Putting a small, multifunction control 90degs from your line of sight and in the darkest place in the vehicle so that you are forced to take your eyes off the road, just as u approach the higher risk areas, like intersections,  is certainly the best way to get people to screw it up and then not be bothered using it properly - take a bow CFS


At least SAAS can get it almost right with a foot change up button as well as a duplicate on the vehicle horn. Much easier, and safer

I'm sure CFS are sick of my near miss forms regarding them

Simply put, the driver drives and the Officer operates the warning devices. The driver shouldn't have to be doing anything more than driving, and the OIC really should be experienced enough to read the traffic and road and switch between wail and yelp at the appropriate times.

It's not hard.

I'm still stumped at the fact that we moved from using an almost internationally recognizable fireground evacuation signal to one that is used during the normal course of appliance movements during an incident.

Very intelligent.

17:38:35 MFS: *CFSRES INC058 28/12/10 17:37,RESPOND COMMERCIAL FIRE,MARION BASKETBALL STADIUM,NORFOLK RD,MARION MAP 153 D 2 TG182,SMOKE ISSUING FROM DOORS,ADL205 CAR041 STM401 STM409 CPK411

17:44:38 MFS: 411 PORTABLE 3 TRANSMITTING EMERGENCY CALL

Uh-oh!

Three cheers for consistency!

14:46:40 MFS: *CFSRES INC054 24/12/10 14:45,RESPOND DOMESTIC FIRE,27 CAREY ST,ELIZABETH PARK MAP 52 D 10 TG182,KITCHEN FIRE, PERSON COLLAPSED INSIDE,ELZ331 ELZ339

Or is this not a C Class, persons reported as per SOP 4?

EDIT: My spelling is consistently inconsistent.

I may be wrong, but its just a shame we did not end up with someone from a more urban focused background...

I'm pretty sure that he is from NT Fire & Rescue, which covers the Urban side of things. BushfiresNT would be the Bushfire dudes up north?

Although on the whole, I'm too sure of how much "Urban" focus there is in a Service with 180 Career Firies.

Only time will tell, but a fresh set of eyes no matter what their background can't be a bad thing.

Just following the SOP's

SOP 4 mate.

K99 or persons reported for a c-risk is automatic second alarm.

Thanks! I don't know what these "SOP" things are... I was querying if the S/O on scene was able to/did stop the turning out of an Automatic second alarm. Can you actually fit that many firies and hoses around a shed that small?

how can u say over supplying appliances to a minor incident, were u there? how do you know the shed wasn't full of gas bottles of jerry cans full of fuel, how do u know the sehd wasnt attached to a house? maybe MFS should listen to you and under supply these so called minor incidents then when your shed catches fire and a single pump turns up but cant handle it you loose the shed and your house, use a bit of common sense.

I know it was your first SAMFS job and all, just relax... If, as a rule of thumb, 2 x appliances and some hard work can tackle a house fire, how does that scale for a 5m x 3m shed? No issue if the upgrade is for a given risk, but I'm just interested in the Automatic 2A. If my shed caught fire and a single pump rocked up and couldn't stop it spreading into my house, I would be seriously concerned about the crews competency and would suggest they went back to Drill Squad. It's amazing to see what proactive, gutsy, firefighting can achieve.

sometimes you just need appliances for water and all the reasons that F7 has

Sure, but automatically for a Shed smaller than my bedroom?

Nothing wrong with upgrading and also two reasons for it are A) The crews are in PBI, and at a going job that's hard work, and B)fresh resources to give the crews a break and also share the workload around the job makes sense to me.

We've said it before and we will say it again, better to have resources responding than to wait till it hits the fan, and a STOP CALL never hurt anyone.

Christ, if you need fresh crews and resources for a "Hard work" job that is 15m² maybe the boys should be heading into the gym a little more often

thanks TFT and SA FIREY, great to see some ppl with common sense about themselves, cheers

Asking questions of a procedure that appears to not take into account the actual incident is a lack of common sense? Sorry I don't agree with everything you and your agency does.

At least they are not wearing goggles to house fires numbers...maybe that should be suggested to MFS.

According to Mr. Corcoran, SAMFS rural gloves are terrible - can't think what their goggles must be like, if they even have them.

MFS: *CFSRES INC009 21/12/10 04:14,RESPOND SHED FIRE,8 VENTURA AV,TAPEROO MAP 79 M 6 TG182,SHED FIRE NEXT DOOR TO THIS HOUSE,LGS281 PAD251

MFS: *CFSRES INC011 21/12/10 04:30,RESPOND SHED FIRE,8 VENTURA AV,TAPEROO MAP 79 M 6 TG182,2ND ALARM K99 ON ARRIVAL,WDV243 WDV249 ADL206 CAR041 FLETCH

MFS: NOTIFICATION ONLY DAILY INC. NO.9 SHED FIRE AT VENTURA AVE TAPEROO 281 AND 251 ATTENDING D/O NOTIFIED K99 AUTOMATIC 2ND ALARM 243 AND249 CAR 41 206 AND SAFTEY OFFICER FLETCHER NOW ATTENDING 5MTS X 3MTS 4 X B/A AND 2 H/P LINES BEING USED

Can one of you comms boffins please tell me that the 2A assignment was cancelled? Or are the MFS taking a leaf out of the CFS book of stupidly over resourcing minor incidents?

I was refering to the original document that CFS issued to Adelaide Fire, which stated that on a day of catastrophic fire danger, hundreds of people would die and thousands of homes would be lost. There original paperwork never had the 'in the case of a fire'... it seemed that people were just going to spontaneously drop.


You seem to have lost your normal sense of humor?

I am A) Reading SA Firefighter and B) Sober. Of course I'm cranky! You can't do both of those things together!

Isn't this the CFS definition? Do you know what the term "Potential Impact" means? or are we now using FDR's as a retrospective term?

    * These are the worst conditions for a bush or grass fire.
    * If a fire starts and takes hold, it will be extremely difficult to control and will take significant fire fighting resources and cooler conditions to bring it under control.
    * Spot fires will start well ahead of the main fire and cause rapid spread of the fire.  Embers will come from many directions.
    * Homes are not designed or constructed to withstand fires in these conditions.
    * The safest place to be is away from bushfire prone areas.

Awww, it's so cute to watch die hard SES members rally around a failed system.

It'd be interesting to see the call response stats for the SES from recipt of call to a resource (ANY resource SES/MFS/CFS) arriving on scene.

And then at what point it goes from mass defaulting of calls to getting strike teams into areas...

There has to be a better way to do things, and I don't think that SACAD is going to be the answer.

But why isn't SOT paged for incidents, net call and other info that relate to them only, not medSTAR?

You tend to make the assumption that the Pages that you see on the paging scanner sites are ALL paging traffic that is sent out. That is not the case.

In my line of work, we can be turned out in numerous ways, some the public are aware of, others not. R/T, Station Bells, T/P, MDT, Phone, Pager, Crash turnout system...

Things happen that you don't need to be aware of.

Get over it.