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General Discussion => Country Fire Service => Topic started by: Scania_1 on September 09, 2006, 07:16:30 PM
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Reasonable size structure fire today at Port Macdonnel and extra BA resources had to cdome from the next group. As only 2 brigades in the Pt Mac group are BA equipped.These briagdes that responded from Gambier group had to virtually drive past closer stations to get there who werent responded as they werent BA. Do people think that all brigades should have BA and trained people or should it be a brigade choice on an as needs basis?
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20:22:18 09-09-06 SHQ: CFSRES: MARLA & MINTABIE RESPOND BUILDING FIRE, ERNABELLA, CONTACT REGION 4 DUTY OFFICER ON RESPONSE. < 9/09/2006 8:22:06 PM
21:01:09 09-09-06 SHQ: CFSRES: COOBER PEDY RESPOND TO COOBER PEDY STATION & STATION CONTACT REGIONAL DUTY OFFICER < 9/09/2006 9:00:56 PM
22:01:56 09-09-06 SHQ: A/H SIG INC: FYI COOBER PEDY, MARLA, MINTABIE ATTENDING BUILDING FIRE, ERNABELLA MEDICAL CLINIC, DAMAGE $1.5M < 9/09/2006 10:01:45 PM
Coober Pedy only BA unit responded now thats a looong drive for a job. Coober Pedy wouldn't have even arrived before this message was sent out.
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would be nice if all brigades where caba but the medical is the killer,refine the medical and it may work as long as members do the training..By the way where the MFS paged????
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Nearest MFS is Port Augusta a few hours south of Coober Pedy.
Our Capt and 4th Lieutenant are pretty pissed at the moment they are both completely fit for their BA re-accred except they are 2kg and 1.8kg respectively overweight.
It's ridiculous that 2 people who have had BA for years and are completely fit but get knocked back because of a ridiculous BMI level. :x
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..By the way where the MFS paged????
I think thats the point ath was trying to make, Compton are further out than the MFS down there. Maybe the MFS should have been responded as well but thats a different thread all together.
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I dont think that was the issue 24P. Although having the mfs there would of been nice it really leaves a bit of hole in protection if you send them 30mins out there area.
From what i gather Ath was saying should all brigades have BA and BA trained people. I guess that comes down to the individual brigade. If a brigade wants to become BA trained im sure HQ would not stop them as long as they could justify it i guess.
A neighbouring brigade here never used to be BA but were able to because a few vollies wanted to become BA trained and there were the necessary risks e.g. Airport!
Camo
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The Group I am in lost 20 members due for re-accreditation for CABA out of that there was 10 that had hazmat as well all where able to do the job until the new medical came in. Now our group struggles to get enough BA operators. We also lost about 5 members over them loosing it.
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Why would I possibly imply that MFS should be responded, lol. Strange move for the CFS to change the BMI standards so much for BA medicals, it used to be 35 maximum now its what 28 or something. Maybe they are worried about people not being able to handle it, although if you get through the course you should be okay. I personaly think running around at grass fires can be a lot more draining and demanding than fighting a fire in BA especially when you have to fight the fire away from the truck. You have to breathe down all the smoke for a start. Yet there is no maximum BMI for firies going to grass fires??
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The BMI is still 35 but our 2 registered 35.6 or something stupid like that and when it was said to the person at region they knocked them back for the course even though they can both do push ups with the set on and are completetly fit and healthy. filtered stupid i think.
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BMi is odd because you can be really fit and healthy but overweight due to muscle mass, a lot of footballers have high BMI's becuase they are so bulky. Although BMI is worthwhile because if a firie goes down and they are over the BMI it means they are quite heavy and it owuld be hard to drag them out of a fire, you know what I mean.
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There could be a victim in a fire with a BMI of anything 40 plus and you would have to drag them out. (emphasise drag)
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you got a point there but also a lot of overweight BMI people are unfit to carry out firefighter tasks, there are a few that can probably but we cant have grossly obese people in structure fires as they can be dangerous to themselves and other. But yeah there are exceptions.
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Really its there for the safety of the firefighter and his collegues...you dont want you or your partner to go down when your in there.
Having said that...how many skinny people does it take to drag a fat guy out?
lol
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Every brigade should have atleast two BA sets, with BA becoming almost 'basic' training. The problem is the bottle neck of getting people on the courses...
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SA is the only state the use the BMI scale some doctors don't understand it and some doctors don't understand what a CABA they really have no guildline. The other issue is that CFS make you do a upskill/refresher every 5 years and yet the MFS don't?????. Is it time for a review of the medicalI? I agree there needs to be some sort of medical and to what level I am not sure. I have seen on some CABA courses members who would be well under weight and in two cases have seen these members not able to get up and do the door entry with a full set on.....
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well if they do, i guess it is, let the filtered burn
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MFS do still do a refresher, hazmat or BA every year. (retained anyway)
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Our two that did the medical the other day said there were parts to the medical that were for scuba diving and had nothing to do with BA. :|
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a) Can the fire fighter drag a person up a flight of stairs? yes/no
b) Can the fire fighter see well enough to be able to find a burning house? yes/no
c) Can the fire fighter fight off a 4 metre shark? yes/no
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a) Can the fire fighter drag a person up a flight of stairs? yes/no
b) Can the fire fighter see well enough to be able to find a burning house? yes/no
c) Can the fire fighter fight off a 4 metre shark? yes/no
Good god man! Haven't you ever been to the Stirling Shark Aquarium? YOU NEED TO GET OUT MORE!
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Just for interest here is a photo off of the local paper from saturdays fire
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The CFS had to put a figure for BMI in, they cant just allow some people to go over, what would be the point of having a bench mark.
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The CFS had to put a figure for BMI in, they cant just allow some people to go over, what would be the point of having a bench mark.
Because you can be fitter than anyone, a ball of muscle, yet way over the BMI...
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CFS'BMI is quite high and to be over it you need to fairly heavy to height ratio, I think all football players who are classified as heavy in BMI would come under the CFS BMI limit of 30 though. Anyway is there a black and white yes or no if you are over 30, if you were built like a football player and quite obviosuly strong and fit they might let you in howveer if you were a normal person who was obese and over the limit it might be different.*
*That is not truth or fact, I am just speculating and could very well and probably be wrong.
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Well our two firies who missed their re-accred course the other weekend got a phone call the other day that by the time they do the one in october they would have to do the full course again. They politely told the person from region where they could stick it and said they wouldn't do the whole course again. Our GTO got hold of the R1 TO and all sorted now they don't have to do the full couse just the re-accred so all is happy again now.
I just think its silly that the CFS is willing to sacrifice experienced BA operators because they were going to be 2weeks out of date and make them do the whole course again.
But this is my opinion and i'm sure some will disagree :-D
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whats wrong with doing the whole course again? Just refreshes some more than the refresher course.
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some people have work and families
life is easy when you are young and lots of time to play
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There is plenty of time to do the refresh course.... its not like its a random thing.
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^^Exactly
And it's a bit of an insult to someone who has done alot of BA jobs and they just get thrown to the scheiße heap because someone follows stupidly tight rules to the absolute letter.
And the CFS wonders why they lose members.
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thats fair enough.
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if theres a benchmark for fitness, then thats it, no flexibility as far as im concerned...
ever stop to think its for your own good? remember most FFs that die in the line of duty do so from heart attacks and over exertion... its not all flames and glory.
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yeah some of CFS' fitness is a bit lax in some places but thats a whole new ketlle of fish which IM not interested in getting into now.
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LMAo i remember that thread....... :wink:
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I think the complaint is not that there's a benchmark, its that the benchark isn't a measure of fitness, its a measure of weight vs height...
Hence the problem is that we're not only preventing unfit people from doing BA, we're also preventing fit people from doing it...
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Well our two firies who missed their re-accred course the other weekend got a phone call the other day that by the time they do the one in october they would have to do the full course again. They politely told the person from region where they could stick it and said they wouldn't do the whole course again. Our GTO got hold of the R1 TO and all sorted now they don't have to do the full couse just the re-accred so all is happy again now.
I just think its silly that the CFS is willing to sacrifice experienced BA operators because they were going to be 2weeks out of date and make them do the whole course again.
But this is my opinion and i'm sure some will disagree :-D
hahaha, austen got torn a new one!
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^^Actually Daniel was the one that got them back on the refresher, it was a different bloke that wouldn't let them do it
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Well our two firies who missed their re-accred course the other weekend got a phone call the other day that by the time they do the one in october they would have to do the full course again. They politely told the person from region where they could stick it and said they wouldn't do the whole course again. Our GTO got hold of the R1 TO and all sorted now they don't have to do the full couse just the re-accred so all is happy again now.
I just think its silly that the CFS is willing to sacrifice experienced BA operators because they were going to be 2weeks out of date and make them do the whole course again.
But this is my opinion and i'm sure some will disagree :-D
hahaha, austen got torn a new one!
hahaha, probie_boy got torn a new one!
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Well our two firies who missed their re-accred course the other weekend got a phone call the other day that by the time they do the one in october they would have to do the full course again. They politely told the person from region where they could stick it and said they wouldn't do the whole course again. Our GTO got hold of the R1 TO and all sorted now they don't have to do the full couse just the re-accred so all is happy again now.
I just think its silly that the CFS is willing to sacrifice experienced BA operators because they were going to be 2weeks out of date and make them do the whole course again.
But this is my opinion and i'm sure some will disagree :-D
hahaha, austen got torn a new one!
hahaha, probie_boy got torn a new one!
it appears so. :cry:
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I work for the ambulance service and a vollie for the CFS. while on my ambo duties I have been called to more thinner people in BA than larger people so no one can tell me that larger people cant do BA I think that it should be equil rights. If you can pass the BA course you can do the job at hand.
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I agree with you there YELLOWS_2. It don't matter if your Black white pink or purple, Skinny Fat Short or Tall if you can do the job well go for it we are not here for a fashion statement hasn't any one heard of discrimination at all I personally know a lot of over weight people and they are fitter than average to under weight people any one is prone to hear attacks and heat exhaustion. next yous will be saying that different races colour and all that cant do BA or fire fighting shame on you. Larger people have an advantage over skinny people same with short peeps. some members in my brigade that are of what you call over weight I can trust with my life not with the skinny peeps.
"DONT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER READ IT FIRST" :x
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If I saw a purple firefighter Id think he was quite sick and wouldnt let him in to do BA.
Relax and take that comment with a grain of salt people!
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If I saw a purple firefighter Id think he was quite sick and wouldnt let him in to do BA.
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Relax and take that comment with a grain of salt people!
I'd think they were a member of 'Team Ladyboy'...
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i second that.
seriously, what tool came up with that?
:-D :-D :-D
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I want to start the Toast fan club, cos i love toast and know others that do :-D
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yellow2 well said and it would be nice that those of us that are cuddly could have the same rights as a paperthin member....
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I work for the ambulance service and a vollie for the CFS. while on my ambo duties I have been called to more thinner people in BA than larger people so no one can tell me that larger people cant do BA I think that it should be equil rights. If you can pass the BA course you can do the job at hand.
But to be honest, you dont have to be fit at all to pass the BA course. I guess it comes down to that lovely thing about fitness. We can't police it as a volunteer service, but it's really in everyones best interest to get fit, I mean, not only do you not blow a cylinder in mere seconds, but I don't put my back out when I try to haul you through a buliding :)
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My mother has been in BA for 6 years and now they have brought in these new BMI stuff and she is only 5kg over the BMI and she has been told that she is no longer allowed to do BA, I have seen MFS in our area that are more than 5kg over the BMI how can they justify this? the CFS is a Voluntary service.
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My mother has been in BA for 6 years and now they have brought in these new BMI stuff and she is only 5kg over the BMI and she has been told that she is no longer allowed to do BA, I have seen MFS in our area that are more than 5kg over the BMI how can they justify this? the CFS is a Voluntary service WELL SAID I AGREE
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My mother has been in BA for 6 years and now they have brought in these new BMI stuff and she is only 5kg over the BMI and she has been told that she is no longer allowed to do BA, I have seen MFS in our area that are more than 5kg over the BMI how can they justify this? the CFS is a Voluntary service.
How can they justify it? SAFETY
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Safety?????? Why is it that only South Australia is the only ones to use this way of justifying the BMI. When I spoke to a Doctor about the BMI he said CFS use the out of date way of checking the BMI it is Bogus.
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You all need to realise what whinging tools you sound like, and making so many speculations and false statements for really no apparent reason, the BMI rule is a fair rule and it only ever bumps one or two people a year who are not overweight or obese but body builders and the likes. You seem to find the ones that whinge over these matters are the ones that fail the medical. The BMI level has been raised over the years also, and I think you will find that small petite people will be restricted by their doctors (with half a brain) also because carrying 27kg on a small frame can cause serious back problems. slag me if you like but if most of you look deep inside yourselves you know I am right.
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We would not slag you,well this week but I think you will find that the BMI is a problem not only for us but for loacl doctors who dont have a good understanding of it. as someone has already said its out dated and SA is the only state that use it.WHY???????
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You all need to realise what whinging tools you sound like, and making so many speculations and false statements for really no apparent reason, the BMI rule is a fair rule and it only ever bumps one or two people a year who are not overweight or obese but body builders and the likes. You seem to find the ones that whinge over these matters are the ones that fail the medical. The BMI level has been raised over the years also, and I think you will find that small petite people will be restricted by their doctors (with half a brain) also because carrying 27kg on a small frame can cause serious back problems. slag me if you like but if most of you look deep inside yourselves you know I am right.
Wow sound like someone is not happy jan.
You will see that the army use it but put you on the scale in undies not fully clothed like the Doctors.
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^^one would suggest your doctor isnt doing a very good job then.
@ the assistant - well put.
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You all need to realise what whinging tools you sound like, and making so many speculations and false statements for really no apparent reason, the BMI rule is a fair rule and it only ever bumps one or two people a year who are not overweight or obese but body builders and the likes. You seem to find the ones that whinge over these matters are the ones that fail the medical. The BMI level has been raised over the years also, and I think you will find that small petite people will be restricted by their doctors (with half a brain) also because carrying 27kg on a small frame can cause serious back problems. slag me if you like but if most of you look deep inside yourselves you know I am right.
Your the one that needs to get a life mate I passed the BMI and I think its pathetic way of doing things so get your facts straight Mate. so I get to complian as much as i like HEHE. and Toast saftey huh They alow larger fire fighters on the fire ground wich is a great thing but your saying there not capibal to do BA how can thinner people try and save a larger member of the public? youll need heaps of them when if you have larger fire fighters doing BA it helps as you only need two people.....
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You all need to realise what whinging tools you sound like, and making so many speculations and false statements for really no apparent reason, the BMI rule is a fair rule and it only ever bumps one or two people a year who are not overweight or obese but body builders and the likes. You seem to find the ones that whinge over these matters are the ones that fail the medical. The BMI level has been raised over the years also, and I think you will find that small petite people will be restricted by their doctors (with half a brain) also because carrying 27kg on a small frame can cause serious back problems. slag me if you like but if most of you look deep inside yourselves you know I am right.
Your the one that needs to get a life mate I passed the BMI and I think its pathetic way of doing things so get your facts straight Mate. so I get to complian as much as i like HEHE. and Toast saftey huh They alow larger fire fighters on the fire ground wich is a great thing but your saying there not capibal to do BA how can thinner people try and save a larger member of the public? youll need heaps of them when if you have larger fire fighters doing BA it helps as you only need two people.....
Ok, first of all, A) Stop posting drunk, B) Get a dictionary or go back to year 6, and C) There needs to be an upper limit on size for BA operators for the safety of not only themselves, but for the other operators that go in with them. I came in at a BMI of 28, under the limit yes, but I know that my buddies would have a hard time pulling my 100kg/6ft self out of a buliding. I dread to think what it would be like trying to pull out someone who hits 35 or even is over that. I agree that the way the BMI is calculated (Height x Weight) is silly, as has already been said short, muscley people have issues. At the moment, its the easiest and best way of introducing a rough guideline.
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If the BA straps fit around your guts then your right to go i reckon... :-P :lol:
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If the BA straps fit around your guts then your right to go i reckon... :-P :lol:
i agree 200000000000000 % mundcfc :-D :-D :-P
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Ok, first of all, A) Stop posting drunk, B) Get a dictionary or go back to year 6, and C) There needs to be an upper limit on size for BA operators for the safety of not only themselves, but for the other operators that go in with them. I came in at a BMI of 28, under the limit yes, but I know that my buddies would have a hard time pulling my 100kg/6ft self out of a buliding. I dread to think what it would be like trying to pull out someone who hits 35 or even is over that. I agree that the way the BMI is calculated (Height x Weight) is silly, as has already been said short, muscley people have issues. At the moment, its the easiest and best way of introducing a rough guideline.
Get over your self mate A)I dont drink so im not drunk.... B)Grow up I dont have to learn how to spell or go back to year 6 i can do what I like when I like your not my parents C) HAHA
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Ok, first of all, A) Stop posting drunk, B) Get a dictionary or go back to year 6, and C) There needs to be an upper limit on size for BA operators for the safety of not only themselves, but for the other operators that go in with them. I came in at a BMI of 28, under the limit yes, but I know that my buddies would have a hard time pulling my 100kg/6ft self out of a buliding. I dread to think what it would be like trying to pull out someone who hits 35 or even is over that. I agree that the way the BMI is calculated (Height x Weight) is silly, as has already been said short, muscley people have issues. At the moment, its the easiest and best way of introducing a rough guideline.
Get over your self mate A)I dont drink so im not drunk.... B)Grow up I dont have to learn how to spell or go back to year 6 i can do what I like when I like your not my parents C) HAHA
God forbid I want to try to make sense of the shite you're posting. :roll:
"youll need heaps of them when if you have larger fire fighters doing BA it helps as you only need two people....."
WHAT?
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dont circumvent the language filter
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dont circumvent the language filter
Hahaha, Im not!
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You all need to realise what whinging tools you sound like, and making so many speculations and false statements for really no apparent reason, the BMI rule is a fair rule and it only ever bumps one or two people a year who are not overweight or obese but body builders and the likes. You seem to find the ones that whinge over these matters are the ones that fail the medical. The BMI level has been raised over the years also, and I think you will find that small petite people will be restricted by their doctors (with half a brain) also because carrying 27kg on a small frame can cause serious back problems. slag me if you like but if most of you look deep inside yourselves you know I am right.
Your the one that needs to get a life mate I passed the BMI and I think its pathetic way of doing things so get your facts straight Mate. so I get to complian as much as i like HEHE. and Toast saftey huh They alow larger fire fighters on the fire ground wich is a great thing but your saying there not capibal to do BA how can thinner people try and save a larger member of the public? youll need heaps of them when if you have larger fire fighters doing BA it helps as you only need two people.....
Thinner people can't drag someone out? I can think of 3 smaller, and 2 quite petite people from our brigade alone who make fantastic BA operators. Size has very little to do with strength, in fact, one of our smaller (and quite young) blokes can run (and lift) circles around a couple of the older, bigger blokes. You see people built like brick dunnies who can't move a whole lot at all, and smaller, wiry people who could put most others through a wall. I'd trust some of them MORE in a situation that required wearing BA in anger, and would probably get more time to play than if one of the bigger blokes with a dodgy fitness level blew through their cylinders in the 10 minutes or so it takes some of them :-D
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I think people need to settle down, we are not here to put others down we are all here to do the same, and do the best that we can do with the available equipment at the time to the best of our ability :wink:
The life that they save may be your own :-D
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but what it Mr or Miss Imobese has a heartattack dragging you out and you nearly die and they nearly die. Not a good impression it will leave you with.
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The same thing can be said for Mr, Miss or Mrs Skinny fit and healthy has a heartattack dragging you out.
Oh thats right you wont die they are fit and healthy so all is fine. Yes there needs to be a bench mark for your BMI but also so could we have different levels of CABA wearers.
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The same thing can be said for Mr, Miss or Mrs Skinny fit and healthy has a heartattack dragging you out.
Oh thats right you wont die they are fit and healthy so all is fine. Yes there needs to be a bench mark for your BMI but also so could we have different levels of CABA wearers.
What do you mean by different levels?
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there is a higher chance the Obese family will have a heartattack before the Fitandhealthy family that is just common sense and obvious.
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No fact say no matter how fit you are you can have a heart defect, so I look at it as you all can have a heartattack. I have known more fit and healthy people with heart problems. We had a person fit and healthy done CABA passed but died with a mass heartattack.
different levels of CABA could be if you are out in the open but a lot of smoke around you can put on BA and not much hard work is needed.
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OH dont get me onto fitness,
it is stupid to say you see fit people have heart problems, well i am sure that unfit people are more likely to have heart problems.
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maybe we hsouldnt send people in because a piece of timber could fall on their head and knock them out or a brick wall could collapse and squash them. Come on, there is a lot higher chance of Mr or Mrs Fatarse of dying or havign heart problems. Different levels of BA wont work.
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HOW ABOUT A REAL FITNESS TEST.
it can include the BMI, but also have physical guidelines
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beep test! :-D
fat % test.
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Mr or Mrs Fatarse of dying or having heart problems. Different levels of BA wont work.
Sorry but I take offense to the way you said that. It should be not up to people like you who have a dis like to fat people. It should be up to the people who make it a volunteer services. :x :x :x :x
Just wondering how many members have had a heartattack while in CABA?
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by any chance backburn where you a unfortunate one who could not do BA?
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I dont dislike fat people I dislike it when people not medically fit try and go into a dangerous situation when they shouldnt be there.
It can be a volunteer service, but those not fit should not volunteer to do BA. Know your limits.
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halalooyaaaaa, new cheif officer right above me :-D
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sorry E but no such luck I can do CABA for another 5 years but our group lost a lot of BA wearers not because they failed but thought they would so did not go for the test. They tried to save the services some money.
A lot of trusted people lost now we have a lot of young gunhoe guys in BA.
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well i would rather be a young gunhoe, than an old arrogrant know-it-all
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nothing wrong with young gunghoe members thats what is needed. People to get out there and go for it.
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I am sick of old CFS members not giving the young ones a chance, maybe young people would stay longer if they were not treated like scheiße from the older members.
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many older members have valuble experience but sometimes they dont accept younger ways of thinking and doing things.
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Well I do not like a person who goes of on there own in BA I prefer the one that stays with me and work as a team of 2 not 1.
I am neather old nor young just one that has done a few years in BA and would like to trust my fellow person beside me. We still get the job done.
But still how many members have had a heartattack in CABA?
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gunghoe isnt about going off on your own, its enthusiasm however I gather you have had people go off on their own? That is just dangerous.
I got no idea how many people have had heart attacks in CABA but maybe that is because there are medical limits put in place.
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backburn: I am finding it hard to not say what i think here, but you are almost forcing it out of me. :x :x :x
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Thats cool say it I am sitting and waiting to read. Have had a wonderfull time talking to you. :-D
I do not care what age, size, sex,colour,etc just keep an eye on the person who is with you. Its easy to have a ceiling fall around you if you run off on your own. Have seen it and had to carry him back to ambos,one who would not listen to the word stop.
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Who cares how many people have had a attack while wearing BA, it is common sense that larger people will have a larger risk of hurting themselves than others, if you want to go in with a big friend, he collapses you have to try and pull your big friend out, and he will prob burn. not nice.
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yes discussion is good.
medically unfit people do not belong in BA. CFS who do BA jobs are doing similar jobs to the MFS and they have a very stringent medical tests and we doing the same jobs do nto have as strong medical and fitness standards yet do the same thing, go figure.
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Backburn, you realise that heart attack is the leading cause of death among CFS volunteers don't you? As a service we are not fit. The only 'medical' we have is that for BA, which as it is now, is a joke of a medical.
And being a young Gung-ho person vs. an old arrogant know it all?
I'm a young arrogant gung-ho know it all! Problem easy solved :wink:
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Well then tell me how the MFS around here have 3 members with a BMI of 37 and yes we have worked that out with them.
lmfao Thank you E that was a wonderfull joke. Quite plane to see you do love big people they stick with you in all your thoughts. I can see a lot of other dangerous things with BA but not as important to some people. :-D
Good one toast. That is what I have been trying to say all along It should not only be BMI but unfit people as well, I know of a young 18 year old with BMI of 18 has other big medical problems is he better in there than a fat person?
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not better nto worse as he is too light and and as you say has medical problems, he wouldnt be in BA so that nullifies that.
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as someone once said "being a fat firefighter is not a good idea. There's always the chance of getting stuck in the circular hole in the ceiling as you attempt to slide down the pole. You could also fall in a heap at the bottom and other firefighters might land on your tummy, causing them to fly back up the pole in trampoline fashion. Even worse, you could be standing at the fire only to have a colleague, mistaking you for a hydrant, put a hose in your mouth."
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My point is basically that the BMI is not a great indication of fitness, yet it allows a 'rough' guide for the CFS to say no to people on medical grounds. Yes you get the odd person who is fit as a fiddle but has a BMI of 400 but hey, 99% of people over the BMI would be unsuited to the rigours of BA use.
Its not great, but its the best we have... Like so much else in the service :wink:
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as someone once said "being a fat firefighter is not a good idea. There's always the chance of getting stuck in the circular hole in the ceiling as you attempt to slide down the pole. You could also fall in a heap at the bottom and other firefighters might land on your tummy, causing them to fly back up the pole in trampoline fashion. Even worse, you could be standing at the fire only to have a colleague, mistaking you for a hydrant, put a hose in your mouth."
This statement makes me realize how stupid you really are.
No need to discuss this with you any more. Yes this member has got CABA and his medical problem was a form of cancer.
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But wait, E was being funny? I laughed at least.
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if you saw that as being serious, well (most people will know whats here).
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was there a chance his cancer could impair his ability as a firefighter ie faint or have a seizure? This seems like a taboo subject but it has to come out. If it did then he should not have been allowed to be BA. Also a BMI of 18 is quite low and it is unlikely he wou;d be able to drag out a heavy adult.
yes it was an amusing post from E if you take it in correct context.
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The CFS is bringing in a new Medical for BA anyway, here is the Criteria:
A) The candidate must weigh above 75kg and below 105kg.
B) The candidate must be not shorter than 5'8" and not taller than 6'2"
C) The candidate must have hair of a colour of either blond or brown
D) The candidate must pass a panel of 5 (five) persons who grade the looks and overall masculine appearance of the candidate
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and they must not come under the name of backburn :-D
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whoo hoo Im in :lol:
as long as I dont lose a few kg's, better drink a litre or two of water before going in just to make sure.
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I pass too, yay
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I'm sorry, neither of you pass the 5 (five) person panel. Even you E, yes we all know that you take half naked pics of yourself in your PPE. I hope to god you washed it AND your hands after that :wink:
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Well I'm back now mother nature called had prank call on the fire phone and got kicked off the net.
I am here to stay sorry E that keeps me in all the way.
I have had a good day fishing and caught a whopping big fish. What you would call a fantastic day. The main thing is yes we need a good medical just like Toast has said please put it in to practice. :lol: :lol: :-D :-D
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I had a wonderful day too ate a big fish :-D mm barramundi!
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Do you pass the BMI for fishing?
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Which one backburn?
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Well I do not like a person who goes of on there own in BA I prefer the one that stays with me and work as a team of 2 not 1.
I am neather old nor young just one that has done a few years in BA and would like to trust my fellow person beside me. We still get the job done.
backburn, are you saying that young and fit BA wearers don't work as a team? As a young BA wearer, I take offense to that... If you have members that wander off, that's not because they're young, or because of the training course, its probably because have a learning disability....
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Which one backburn?
Better tell people the top one is slightly edited :P
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oh yea sorry toast :-D,
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The CFS is bringing in a new Medical for BA anyway, here is the Criteria:
A) The candidate must weigh above 75kg and below 105kg.
B) The candidate must be not shorter than 5'8" and not taller than 6'2"
C) The candidate must have hair of a colour of either blond or brown
D) The candidate must pass a panel of 5 (five) persons who grade the looks and overall masculine appearance of the candidate
Sounds like you are grading the next candidates for the CFS Calender :-D :-D :-D :lol:
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Well, didnt this thread have a good weekend!!!
I have a BMI of less than 20 (last I checked anyway). Does that make me a bad BA operator, dont think so. The same can be said for some over a BMI of 35.
As for the person with cancer. The Doctor obviously thought there wasnt an issue, and thats all that needs to be said on that.
Being a good firefighter/BA operator is a combination of: Knowing your limits, knowing what your doing, REASONABLE physical fitness (which has been debated many times before).
**Try to use a bit of discretion with some of the comments guys, stereo typing doesnt go down well with a lot of people....
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There could be a victim in a fire with a BMI of anything 40 plus and you would have to drag them out. (emphasise drag)
All the more reason why Garth's 'Rescue mat' should become standard stowage for all BA Brigades. It will reduce injuries to BA Operators, and reduce the air consumed when extracting a casualty. AND - it can be used on a downed firefighter wearing BA as well.
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The CFS is bringing in a new Medical for BA anyway, here is the Criteria:
D) The candidate must pass a panel of 5 (five) persons who grade the looks and overall masculine appearance of the candidate
So only butch girls are allowed to do BA then...? :|
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I see that both pictures are OK to me. Well CFS_firey no I do not mean that at all my brigade has mostly members under 22. We also have only 2 members in CABA over 44 the other 4 are under 22, my comment was that it should not matter if your Doctor thinks you can do BA with a BMI of over 35 you should be able too. It all ways helps to keep in the younger members the team factor in BA. My brigade are all OK but there are a few who are not. Would gladly get Garth's 'Rescue mat' for each brigade or truck in our Group.
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I just have to post this pic, I think that CFS member is a champ :x
(http://www.benadams.com/picturesALL/10152004firefighter_fighting_forest_fire.jpg)
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Its all about energy conservation :wink:
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that chair is missing 2 legs
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no it is meant to be like that, do u know those type of chairs...
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The CFS is bringing in a new Medical for BA anyway, here is the Criteria:
D) The candidate must pass a panel of 5 (five) persons who grade the looks and overall masculine appearance of the candidate
So only butch girls are allowed to do BA then...? :|
Well us blokes these days are meant to be in touch with our 'feminine' sides...
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Son, now behave, i have told you about saying things like that before.
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HAHAHA, E, you can be Toasts personal moderator...
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are not all fathers their sons moderators
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DAAAAAAAD! But I like wearing makeup! It makes me look sexy! See, me and my friend probie even started our own club, its TEAM LADYBOY!
Dad?... Im not gay I swear! .... Dad? ... Put down the gun daddy!
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Probie is your son
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Probie is your son
p*** off.
seriously, can we all agree that if the person looks fit enough and can fit BA set straps around the guts, they're ok for the job?
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Probie is your son
No thats P F.... Stop drinking so much
seriously, can we all agree that if the person looks fit enough and can fit BA set straps around the guts, they're ok for the job?
No.
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seriously, can we all agree that if the person looks fit enough and can fit BA set straps around the guts, they're ok for the job?
Yeah mate I agree hit the nail on the head there :-D :lol: