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General Discussion => SAMFS => Topic started by: phoenix on April 04, 2016, 08:13:48 PM

Title: Recruitment 2016
Post by: phoenix on April 04, 2016, 08:13:48 PM
Hello friends,

Thought I would start a new thread for sharing updates and news regarding the potential for a recruitment drive this year.

The SAMFS website has had it's full time firefighter section updated as of today. No indcation of a recruitment; but a reiteration of some previously mentioned information - that they're encouraging gender and cultural diversity.

No known details for any dates as of yet. But rumour has it (a familiar term), winter or spring could see a new drive occurring. Depends on the powers that be working out their personnel requirements I guess.

Hope you're all well, and keeping fit!
All the best.
Jason
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on April 05, 2016, 01:31:21 PM
May open up in next 6 or 7 weeks
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on April 14, 2016, 02:13:34 PM

 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: FF GAZZ on May 15, 2016, 08:56:19 PM
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/metropolitan-fire-service-aims-to-break-down-firefighter-stereotypes--to-make-job-appeal-to-women/news-story/452752b97461a898e27b348c98ef96e2 (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/metropolitan-fire-service-aims-to-break-down-firefighter-stereotypes--to-make-job-appeal-to-women/news-story/452752b97461a898e27b348c98ef96e2)

Recruiting "later this year"
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on May 27, 2016, 09:24:40 AM
Reviewing recruitment process!!  Hopefully not buckling like other states and SAPOL
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: FF GAZZ on August 26, 2016, 11:51:41 PM
New PID is out. Well I'd be guessing thousands of applications in this time having only needing class C to apply now.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on August 27, 2016, 01:31:12 PM
There may be a fee to apply this time
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on August 31, 2016, 05:38:21 PM
Website is updated.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: crossy on September 01, 2016, 06:42:39 PM
Is personality profiling the first step now?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: FF GAZZ on September 03, 2016, 03:41:20 PM
If it's anything like Airservices Australia (which even the website layout for recruitment even looks similar now) then yes, probably via online.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on September 06, 2016, 03:20:56 PM
I doubt it will be online testing. Too easy to cheat without supervised test later in process like other states do
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on September 15, 2016, 04:43:30 PM
Applications open Monday 19th sept
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on September 21, 2016, 12:14:32 PM
Applied.

Quite different application setup from last time. This is my second time round and since you don't need a truck license anymore I'm curious as to how many applications they're actually going to get.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Maclurrie on September 22, 2016, 12:06:46 PM
If anyone here has any previous experience applying, what has been the average time between your initial application and progression to the next stage (I'm guessing 2-4 weeks?).
Also for successful applicants, can anyone elaborate on how long it took from initial application through to being accepted?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: crossy on September 23, 2016, 05:49:38 PM
Received an email today for payment
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: GG on September 23, 2016, 11:59:03 PM
First time applicant here :) Have submitted my online application, and am now stressing that I've missed something... It seemed way too easy!!
At what point do you submit a resume? It seems like they know absolutely nothing about me at this point, besides my personal details and whether or not I volunteer for a community organisation.
Have I missed anything??
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on September 24, 2016, 05:11:04 AM
You want them to look at 2000 resumes? They will find out what they need to know from personality profiling and at interview.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: GG on September 24, 2016, 10:15:52 AM
Thank you for your response Ferret.

I didn't necessarily expect them to sort through 2000 resumes, I just thought they may have some means of weeding out some applicants at this initial stage. It doesn't seem like they have much information in order to do that.

I was also concerned that I may have missed something after talking to past successful applicants about their more thorough initial application, and then reading this in the most recent blog post on firerecruitmentaustralia.com.au:
2016-2017 SAMFS Recruitment
"It starts off with the online application just like any other fire service. At this stage, make sure to have your resume, IDs and documents ready when you sit and process your application online."

It appears they are doing things a little differently this year.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on September 24, 2016, 10:58:04 AM
Maybe the change is too get more of their target groups through the process. And as for the firerecruitmentaustralia goes I'm pretty sure he has no more info then can be found on the websites. I
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on September 24, 2016, 03:11:58 PM
Seems a lot easier to apply this year than the past few. Interesting to see that they are going to run the Aptitude and Personality test first. This thread has been much quieter than last recruitment. Good luck to anyone who is applying!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: FF GAZZ on September 26, 2016, 12:53:23 PM
Received an email today for payment

Interesting, anyone else received email for payment yet?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Testuser on September 26, 2016, 01:06:05 PM
Received an email today for payment

Interesting, anyone else received email for payment yet?

was just about to ask this question, i haven't.
I do have to wonder if i stand much of a chance this time around when i don't fit into a targeted group.

As for the process this time around:
It would make sense that they run the profiling and aptitude first (rather than the pat 1) so they don't have to watch 2000 people run.

The profiling thins the group much faster than few who fail pat 1
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: FF GAZZ on September 26, 2016, 02:12:38 PM
Received an email today for payment

Interesting, anyone else received email for payment yet?

Just got my email for payment request.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on September 27, 2016, 08:47:40 AM
Yeah it does make sense to knock out a large number of people. I wonder how many are going to apply? I'm still waiting on my payment e-mail.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on September 27, 2016, 08:59:51 AM
The personality profiling generally rules out about half the applicants. But i think the SAMFS can ask the testing provider to target certain types of personalities
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on September 27, 2016, 02:39:57 PM
I got my email asking for payment on Friday, and a friend of mine got his yesterday. He did the online application a day after I did, so it seems like they're going through them in order of who applied, could just be a coincidence though.

I don't suppose anyone knows when they intend to start the aptitude tests?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on September 28, 2016, 03:48:12 PM
Got my payment acceptance email, test is next week.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on September 29, 2016, 06:27:39 PM
How long did it take Pieces? I applied on Saturday and haven't received anything yet, starting to stress.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on September 30, 2016, 09:27:10 AM
How long did it take Pieces? I applied on Saturday and haven't received anything yet, starting to stress.

I applied on the Monday that it opened, heard back on the Friday, did my payment the following day and then got invited to do my test 4 days after that. So from time of application to assessment date is 15 days.

I don't think there's any reason to stress, they seem to be going through these quite quick, I'm sure you'll hear soon.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: FF GAZZ on September 30, 2016, 11:36:14 AM
When is everyones personality and profiling test?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: RicciardoD on September 30, 2016, 07:43:31 PM
I have my test on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: crossy on October 01, 2016, 06:08:02 PM
Got mine tuesday
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: sj000 on October 03, 2016, 01:34:28 PM
i paid Wednesday, still waiting on a testing date, anyone else the same?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: GG on October 03, 2016, 10:41:35 PM
I paid Wednesday and received an email late on Friday arvo advising of test this coming Thursday.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on October 04, 2016, 08:51:51 AM
Good luck everyone who is doing the testing this week! I paid yesterday so waiting for my test date.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Sammy on October 04, 2016, 12:30:32 PM
Is the profiling testinh online?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: sj000 on October 04, 2016, 04:06:10 PM
testing is in person in Adelaide
have mine Monday morning
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on October 06, 2016, 10:35:38 AM
Is the test done on computers now? Still waiting for my test date. Paid on Monday.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: FF GAZZ on October 06, 2016, 12:27:09 PM
No it's the good old colour in the black circle on the test paper again.

The recruitment for more females is evident with more females visible in numbers at the testing.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Testuser on October 13, 2016, 10:39:15 AM
has anybody heard anything yet? regarding moving on to pat 1
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: abcdefgh on October 13, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
Does anyone have any idea when the last group going through the profiling testing is and how long after that will we be notified whether we have successfully (or not) made it through to the PAT1?

I completed my testing on Tuesday 4th (afternoon). Obviously they need to collate everyone's results to pick the top 4 - 500 to progress?

Cheers
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Jack23 on October 13, 2016, 06:57:29 PM
Testing is still going next week
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Spark on October 14, 2016, 03:21:07 PM
Any idea how many people have applied in this recruitment drive?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on October 14, 2016, 04:05:50 PM
2300 apparently
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on October 14, 2016, 04:50:23 PM
14 days of testing with around 160 each day so I'd say around 2300. I wonder how many they will take to the interview. Last time they took a small amount and put the rest into the interview pool... They mignt take more to take into account people failing the PAT1.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Spark on October 18, 2016, 04:19:07 PM
So SAMFS have changed the order of stages in the application? Do you think this is to speed up the process of getting the first recruit course filled as well as culling for the right applicants? From reading previous years forums it does seem like a very long winded process.. first time applying for me!  :-P
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Testuser on October 24, 2016, 10:18:42 AM
has anybody heard anything back yet?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: abcdefgh on October 24, 2016, 11:18:48 AM
Not yet. I heard there is still testing this week. Only tested a couple of days last week I'm led to believe.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on October 24, 2016, 07:43:45 PM
Around 200 to beep test apparently.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: RBMK2000 on October 26, 2016, 05:04:38 PM
MFS email: beep tests between 15th and 18th of November (with pass/fail on the personality by the 8th). Interviews in the following week.

More time to wait...more time to prepare, but it looks like things will progress rapidly beyond PAT1.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on October 26, 2016, 09:24:17 PM
MFS email: beep tests between 15th and 18th of November (with pass/fail on the personality by the 8th). Interviews in the following week.

More time to wait...more time to prepare, but it looks like things will progress rapidly beyond PAT1.

.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: FF GAZZ on November 03, 2016, 10:20:33 AM
Anyone heard anything yet?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on November 03, 2016, 12:05:56 PM
Not yet, wonder if they will have an interview pool again. Hope not!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on November 03, 2016, 12:06:38 PM
Probably hear tomorrow or Monday I'd guess
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on November 04, 2016, 05:45:29 PM
Anyone hear anything today?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: FF GAZZ on November 04, 2016, 06:23:20 PM
Anyone hear anything today?

Nope....
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on November 04, 2016, 06:38:43 PM
Anyone hear anything today?

Nope....

I haven't heard anything either.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: abcdefgh on November 07, 2016, 01:40:25 PM
Has anyone heard anything today? Rereading the notification email it reads as if only the people chosen to do PAT1 will receive an email, not unsuccessful candidates.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: RBMK2000 on November 07, 2016, 01:43:34 PM
Surely they will advise either way?The suspense is killing me though!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on November 07, 2016, 02:23:43 PM
I read it the same as you abc... I haven't heard anything and I'm checking my e-mail every 10 minutes lol.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: bull on November 07, 2016, 02:56:20 PM
Well worth the wait though. It almost killed me but the job is amazing. Process seems a bit quicker this time. Mine took over 6 months.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: phoenix on November 08, 2016, 10:56:40 AM
Haven't heard anything out of anyone yet. Know many others applying, no emails. Could be a slight delay in their process.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on November 08, 2016, 03:47:38 PM
Anyone receive anything today? Not looking great   :?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: RBMK2000 on November 08, 2016, 03:56:55 PM
Still nothing...trying not to read anything into this!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on November 08, 2016, 04:00:31 PM
Will be tonight
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: kj on November 08, 2016, 04:05:55 PM
I just received an invitation to do it next Tuesday morning.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Gpats on November 08, 2016, 04:14:54 PM
Are the likely to send anything after business hours?

I don't know about you guys but I think I've checked my emails more in this week than I have since I got an email address
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: WannaBFirey on November 08, 2016, 04:16:08 PM
A mate also got his .... wonder if u haven't heard by now that's it??
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Spark on November 08, 2016, 04:16:34 PM
I just got an invite for Tuesday too.. Email sent at 5:25
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Gpats on November 08, 2016, 04:18:30 PM
Surely they would send something out either way?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on November 08, 2016, 04:20:23 PM
Just got mine, Tuesday morning.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: kj on November 08, 2016, 04:25:15 PM
I'm curious how it works from here. How many are doing Pat 1? and is passing that mean you're straight through to the interview ?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Spark on November 08, 2016, 04:54:07 PM
Just a theory but they may possibly rank us from the personality profiling and then take the top x amount that pass pat1
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: kj on November 08, 2016, 04:56:39 PM
That sounds logical enough.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: phoenix on November 08, 2016, 05:24:49 PM
One would assume that not getting an email today is a no? Gotta love that ambiguity.  :|
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Gfoss on November 08, 2016, 05:42:38 PM
Has anyone received a beep test date other than Tuesday? Is it possible that only the Tuesday emails went out today? Holding onto some hope here.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: bull on November 08, 2016, 05:49:34 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't write yourself off just yet. However, even if you don't make it this time, there will be plenty more opportunities down the track. You'll have more experience for the psyc test and an appreciation for how hard it is to get in. Also don't limit yourself to self to SAMFS. CFA will be recruiting soon and there are professional fire services in every state. It's disappointing to not make it. It's more disappointing to give up altogether. Congrats to everyone who made it to the next stage.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on November 08, 2016, 06:03:45 PM
All Tuesday dates from what I've heard. Did u do testing later in the process?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: phoenix on November 08, 2016, 06:13:02 PM
I did my test in the first week of October.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Gfoss on November 08, 2016, 06:15:36 PM
Yeah I was in one of the first groups. On the 4th of Oct.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on November 08, 2016, 06:24:45 PM
They could almost do all the beeps in a day
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: bull on November 08, 2016, 06:32:23 PM
Yep, that was my thoughts.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on November 08, 2016, 06:41:35 PM
I'm assuming that people doing it on Tuesday have been ranked in alphabetical order now considering my last name is one of the first letters of the alphabet. Previous e-mail from MFS said that beep test will go for 4 days. not sure how many would go through a day...
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on November 08, 2016, 06:42:19 PM
I have my test Tuesday afternoon and I've only heard of people doing the test on this day too.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on November 08, 2016, 06:45:12 PM
I'm assuming that people doing it on Tuesday have been ranked in alphabetical order now considering my last name is one of the first letters of the alphabet. Previous e-mail from MFS said that beep test will go for 4 days. not sure how many would go through a day...

It's not in alphabetical order. Email also said everyone would find out by 8th
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: phoenix on November 08, 2016, 06:46:23 PM
Unless they've made a list and only notified a certain amount today for PAT1 testing on the 15th, I didn't make the cut.

Congratulations to all who made it through. See you out there next time, whenever that may be.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on November 08, 2016, 06:48:13 PM
Unless they've made a list and only notified a certain amount today for PAT1 testing on the 15th, I didn't make the cut.

Congratulations to all who made it through. See you out there next time, whenever that may be.

Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on November 08, 2016, 06:48:56 PM
How do you think it's ranked then? I did my test quite late, well in the middle.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on November 08, 2016, 06:55:39 PM
No idea. Aptitude scores? Totally random? Date of birth? Who knows.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Citizen on November 08, 2016, 07:41:17 PM
Hi everyone, haven't posted in here for 6 years.
I haven't received an email either, this being my 6th attempt I'm beginning to believe I'm not the right person for this career. Super frustrating process for all those that want it so much.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pugnificent on November 08, 2016, 07:49:25 PM
I wonder if the emails and PAT1 dates are exactly 7 days apart. Today's email is for next Tuesday. Tomorrow for next Wednesday, Thursday ... etc. 
I doubt it, but I am giving hope to all those (including myself) that didn't receive an email today. Congratulations to those who did. Top effort!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: frobo on November 09, 2016, 07:23:19 AM
Hi everyone, haven't posted in here for 6 years.
I haven't received an email either, this being my 6th attempt I'm beginning to believe I'm not the right person for this career. Super frustrating process for all those that want it so much.

I hear ya mate, 4th time for me and no email this time around. Have passed the psych test before, so not sure if it's me that's changed or if the goal posts have but it's very frustrating. That's just the game we're playing though, it can't be an easy job knocking a couple of thousand applicants down to just a handful. Hopefully some more emails get sent today. Good luck and well done to those who got one yesterday
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: 80224 on November 09, 2016, 08:22:52 AM
Morning all, I play indoor soccer at the MFS city headquarters on Wednesday's and next week's game is cancelled.  We received the following email on the 27th October:

"Dear Captains, Please note we have been informed today by the MFS that the gym is unavailable from 14/11 to 17/11 inclusive"

Myself and a mate are yet to receive an email like a most of you - he did his psych assessment on the 5th and I did mine on the 10th October.  Both our surnames are towards the end of the alphabet (fingers crossed).

Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on November 09, 2016, 09:23:11 AM
Ring HR and ask.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: WannaBFirey on November 09, 2016, 01:10:55 PM
Just received an update.... processing delays, further advice re application status willl be forecoming  as soon as possible. (Whatever that means)

Had my test on the 25th
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Gfoss on November 09, 2016, 01:39:50 PM
Got the same email. I find it strange that some people have been given beep test invites if they are still processing large amounts of data from personality/abilities tests. How can there be a ranking if not all results have been processed???
Strange!!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: abcdefgh on November 09, 2016, 01:45:09 PM
I received my PAT1 email last night but have heard along the grapevine that it hasn't been finalised yet - possibly only Tuesday's runners have been notified so sounds like still hope left. My mate also got an email and our last names are at opposite ends of the alphabet. I sat profiling on the 4th and he was on the 10th so no rhyme or reason it seems. All the best to everyone still waiting.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on November 09, 2016, 02:01:45 PM
Probably those ranked highly suitable have received theirs and they are finalising the rest with diversity taken into account.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Citizen on November 09, 2016, 03:26:01 PM
Fingers crossed for all.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on November 09, 2016, 05:20:46 PM
I tend to agree with Ferret. The most suitable 180ish applicants from the personality profiling/ability test have been notified and they are now possibly sorting through the remainder to create a pool of another 200 or so to call on if required as they did in the previous intake.

They could probably run all the PAT 1 testing  on the Tuesday. In previous intakes they have tested 6 groups of 6 people in a 90 minute period. That's 36 per sessions. 5 sessions over the course of a working day would test all 180ish applicants.

This recruitment drive seems to be more streamlined than previous ones so I doubt they would be dicking around and have it string out any longer than it has to.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Gfoss on November 09, 2016, 05:35:02 PM
Why allocate 3 days for the beep test then?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on November 09, 2016, 05:47:40 PM
Flexibility for staffing changes, set up and pack up, accomodating for those with medical certificate, factoring in unforeseen events. Probably on a needs to know basis.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Gfoss on November 09, 2016, 05:52:17 PM
Yeah, your probably right. Makes sense.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on November 09, 2016, 06:36:59 PM
There will be a few days of testing. About 300 to beep apparently.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: bull on November 09, 2016, 06:51:33 PM
Do you think these 300 have now been notified? They are leaving it a bit short notice if this is not the case.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Gpats on November 09, 2016, 07:43:26 PM
I was thinking the same bull, particularly when you have to get a doctors clearance
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Archery on November 10, 2016, 12:52:37 PM
Wonder if they'll send out an email to non successful candidates. Not knowing what's going on is hard
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: RBMK2000 on November 10, 2016, 04:44:30 PM
Received an invitation to PAT1 today, for Wednesday next week. Good luck alls y'all, I had nearly lost hope.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: 80224 on November 11, 2016, 01:31:13 PM
Just heard from my mate - he's been rejected.

I'm year to hear ...
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Gpats on November 11, 2016, 01:53:32 PM
He got something formal through confirming his rejection? did it come through today?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: 80224 on November 11, 2016, 02:26:24 PM
Yeah he got an email, as has been the case with all communication so far.

No reason given, and basically repeating that they won't release the results of the psych testing or give a reason why he was rejected.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: frobo on November 11, 2016, 02:34:52 PM
Just got mine. Suitability pool, keep fit incase called on.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Gpats on November 11, 2016, 02:52:43 PM
Just got an email saying all the invites for the PAT1 have now been sent out and if you have not received an email you are not required to attend, doesn't formally say I am rejected but I can read between the lines.

Very disappointing but at least I finally know, congrats and good luck to all those selected for the PAT1 next week.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: 80224 on November 11, 2016, 02:57:39 PM
Same here, Gpats.

It's not over yet, the rejection letters have obviously gone out separately and we weren't in that group.  And so have the 'suitability pool' letters.  We've been put in a third group altogether.... ?

I wonder if it means that further PAT1 tests will be conducted the week after next??  Or better yet, we did THAT good in the psych test that they're letting us through without PAT1! Haha!


Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Gpats on November 11, 2016, 03:03:32 PM
Hang on, so it might not be over yet? geez I gotta tell you this has been one of the most stressful weeks of my life.

haha I like your optimism, a guy can dream.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on November 11, 2016, 03:13:43 PM
Like last time when 300 people got told to keep fit. It means you are suitable but not suitable enough
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: 80224 on November 11, 2016, 03:21:18 PM
Ferret, seems we are different to the 'keep fit' group?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Gpats on November 11, 2016, 03:36:25 PM
Yeah, it looks like there have been a couple of different emails sent out, I really don't know what to think
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on November 11, 2016, 03:38:41 PM
Email them and ask. They usually do suitability pools after interview. But who knows
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on November 11, 2016, 05:02:44 PM
Same here, Gpats.

It's not over yet, the rejection letters have obviously gone out separately and we weren't in that group.  And so have the 'suitability pool' letters.  We've been put in a third group altogether.... ?

I wonder if it means that further PAT1 tests will be conducted the week after next??  Or better yet, we did THAT good in the psych test that they're letting us through without PAT1! Haha!

You'd think they would just give you a date if they intended beep test you the following week. They may call from the eligibility pool if a very high number fail the beep tests next week. But just ring them and ask. You need to get on with life
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Gpats on November 11, 2016, 05:34:46 PM
Cheers Ferret, I sent an email off but I doubt I'll hear back until Monday now, I'll come back on to report any response I get.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: FF GAZZ on November 11, 2016, 06:19:40 PM
Ok has anyone actual got an unsuccessful email?

I got the same we haven't told you you're unsuccessful but we haven't given you a PAT1 date so wait to hear email.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Gpats on November 11, 2016, 06:51:31 PM
Yeah it seems 80224,s mate got an email confirming he was unsuccessful and there was another alternate email that went out telling someone they were in the "suitability pool". Appears the majority of us are being kept in the dark though. Very frustrating
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: FF GAZZ on November 11, 2016, 07:08:33 PM
Yeah it seems 80224,s mate got an email confirming he was unsuccessful and there was another alternate email that went out telling someone they were in the "suitability pool". Appears the majority of us are being kept in the dark though. Very frustrating

"The MFS have now invited applicants forward to contest the first Physical Aptitude Test (PAT1  Shuttle Run) over the course of next week."

It does seem weird that it states the 'first' physical attitude test.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Gpats on November 11, 2016, 07:21:41 PM
Yeah I thought it was a little strange they said "Further information will be forthcoming as soon as possible." I would have thought if we were not in they would just say so now?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: kj on November 11, 2016, 07:24:45 PM
Yeah it seems 80224,s mate got an email confirming he was unsuccessful and there was another alternate email that went out telling someone they were in the "suitability pool". Appears the majority of us are being kept in the dark though. Very frustrating

"The MFS have now invited applicants forward to contest the first Physical Aptitude Test (PAT1  Shuttle Run) over the course of next week."

It does seem weird that it states the 'first' physical attitude test.

I would say Pat 2 is the second.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on November 11, 2016, 07:25:18 PM
By first test they prob mean pat1 and second physical test would be pat2.
At a guess I think if too many fail pat1 they will then call from the eligibility pool. They don't like to have interview too many applicants
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: gusto1 on November 11, 2016, 07:43:47 PM
I too received the email further information will be forthcoming.
Whole process seems crazy they should be much clearer!!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pugnificent on November 12, 2016, 06:51:59 AM
Can someone please confirm my understanding of the situation so far:

A) 2 different emails were sent yesterday - 1) A rejection letter and 2)  'you are not attending next week's PAT1 but information is forthcoming' . Was there another type of email - suitability pool letter ?   and

B) Only 180ish have been invited  to PAT 1 over Tuesday and Wednesday of next week. Is anyone participating in the PAT1 on the Thursday and Friday of next week?

Thanks
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Gpats on November 12, 2016, 07:34:07 AM
I can't confirm how many have been invited to take part in the PAT1 but it appears there were at least 2 different emails sent out yesterday, probably 3. There was a rejection one, the "more information coming" one and there was mention from someone about one saying they had been placed in a suitability pool.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on November 12, 2016, 07:56:41 AM
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but if people haven't been invited to do the PAT 1 as yet it would appear unlikely it will happen for you this intake. 200-300 have been notified of their PAT 1 times and an interview pool will be drawn from this. There's only 18 each drill squad which runs for 14 weeks and historically they've only ever taken 4 squads from an intake. Even if you've not been given a direct no, I'd say your chances are slim given the volume of highly suitable applicants who have already progressed.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: phoenix on November 12, 2016, 09:23:17 AM
Left foot snap has given a sound perspective on it. If you didn't get a straight no - keep an eye on your emails, but don't get your hopes up too much.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: 80224 on November 14, 2016, 08:23:01 AM
200-300 have been notified of their PAT 1 times
Where are you getting this number from?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on November 14, 2016, 09:12:38 AM
My mail is 150 to do the PAT1 who will then be interviewed and the remainder who do the PAT 1 will sit in a pool for consideration if a large number of people bomb out on the interview or fail the PAT 2. I can't guarantee this is correct or exact but I imagine it would be around the mark. The reason the profiling was first was to cut down on beep testing a massive number of people. And a lot of weight is given to the profiling.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on November 14, 2016, 09:16:01 AM
200-300 have been notified of their PAT 1 times
Where are you getting this number from?

Previous years they have given keep fit letters after personality profiling. This generally means you have been deemed suitable but not highly suitable. I know last time several hundred got keep fit letters and were never called upon. But they could do it differently.
The only way to find out is to call them
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Jack23 on November 14, 2016, 07:49:15 PM
So the people who got the email saying more info will be forthcoming asap, where do they fit into the picture? Are they behind the ones doing pat1 but in front of the keep fit suitability pool? Or are they ranked after the ones in the keep fit pool? Just seems if they were ranked after the keep fit group then they would have just got a straight no?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Alpha on November 15, 2016, 12:26:02 PM
Is there a very obvious elephant in the room here?  SAMFS got huge numbers apply this year.....did they just take the first 150 - 200 who they found suitable in the profiling to PAT1 testing?....this would explain why so many are in limbo!  The bad news is that very few will fail PAT1 so if you're not through I really doubt you're about to get a positive e-mail.  Sorry but that's what I'm reading into the e-mail.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on November 15, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
I don't think they've necessarily taken the "first" 150 but the most "highly suitable" applicants to the PAT 1 testing. Of the group that's gone through to the PAT1 there is likely an additional ranking system again from the profiling. Therefore not all those who do the PAT 1 will necessarily get interviewed. It's entirely a number/ranking game after the profiling takes place. Like most employment processes everyone's results are considered equally but not everyone's results are highly suitable. Unfortunately, wanting the career desperately doesn't always make you the best person for the position

By the sounds of it the MFS have been fairly transparent in the communication. You recieve an email if you progress, an email if you are set loose and an email to keep fit if a high percentage of people fail subsequent testing. It seems more like people are not willing to accept the outcome than being kept in limbo.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: 80224 on November 15, 2016, 03:36:23 PM
I've confirmed the following with HR on the phone.  There are basically four groups - in the order of preference they are:

The group of people who have been invited to do PAT1 - they believe that the number of people invited so far will be sufficient to fill the number of firefighter positions available.

Furthermore, there is a very small group of people who have been advised that they are suitable, and to keep fit - as they may be called in case a high number of people from the first group fail PAT1.

The third group is where people like myself are - this is the email advising that we are not required to contest PAT1 and that further information is forthcoming.  Basically, it is very unlikely, but still possible to be called up (e.g. new positions open up).

Then there is also the fourth group - these are all the people who were advised that they "have not reached a satisfactory result" in the psych & abilities assessment.

The person I spoke to repeated several times that the process is extremely complex and that MFS are still crunching through the relevant data on applicants in the first 3 groups.

Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on November 15, 2016, 04:12:25 PM
Long time listener, first time caller.
I too am in group 3 and sorry to burst your bubble but we have absolutely no hope what so ever. Its basic maths. If they are taking over 200 to the pat1 plus have more in "group 2" we would need about 150 to fail the beep test. Aint gonna happen.
Start preparing for next time. There is lots of online psych testin g help available
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Sammy on November 16, 2016, 07:33:59 AM
My guess is, abilities assessment is pass/fail. Then onto personality profile, top 150-200 suited get invited to the beep test, next 50-100 receive the keep fit email. The rest that pass the abilities test but are not in the top 300 profiles receive the further information email. I'm in the "further information" range.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Archery on November 16, 2016, 09:55:06 AM
Also in the 'further information' group. There should be a retained intake soon though so fingers crossed for that
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on November 16, 2016, 10:15:45 AM
For retained positions or for Full time positions for retained firefighters?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Archery on November 16, 2016, 10:17:23 AM
For retained fire fighters to apply for full time. Rumour is there might be an intake early next year.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on November 16, 2016, 01:38:39 PM
For those that have now done the beep test, how did everyone in your group go?

I had 2 groups of 5 people running, and of the 10 total, 1 person failed.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: kj on November 16, 2016, 01:45:13 PM
I passed mine and they were discussing if one in my group passed or failed but I left before they came to a conclusion. The firies on the court said she was close to failing but had made it but while in the room the HR bloke said he thought she failed but would discuss it with the others. I think they'll let her through.

Another friend passed today also.

Interviews are supposedly starting Monday so I wonder if those that have one have heard already or they aren't planning on giving much notice. Or they interviews will be delayed.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on November 16, 2016, 01:53:58 PM
How did she almost fail?

Also how many people ran at the same time as you?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: kj on November 16, 2016, 01:57:57 PM
She was running out of steam towards the end and was probably a good metre behind me for the last few shuttles. I not sure if she made it to the red line before the beep. Kinda sad as she still ran the distance.

There were four groups of six when I did it but one didn't show. The first group all made it and I was in the second so I'm not sure how the rest went.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on November 16, 2016, 02:13:51 PM
I see. Yea, very unfortunate to miss out when you're that close to the end.

It does sound like most people are passing. And as for the interview times, I'd like to think we'd find out by the end of this week, but I guess we'll just keep checking our emails very very regularly.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: abcdefgh on November 16, 2016, 02:17:10 PM
8am Tuesday had 30 out of 32 attend. 2 groups of 7, 2 groups of 8. 1st group I think 1 pulled out injured. 2nd group all passed. Unsure about remaining groups. I haven't received any notifications since.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on November 16, 2016, 02:26:49 PM
There were five 90 minute time slots yesterday, each allowing 32 to be tested (four groups of eight ). I heard somewhere around 20-25 either no showed or failed. Not sure how accurate that number is. I imagine invitations to interview will be out in the next 24 hours or so. It's not uncommon for most workplaces to ask for an interview with only a  few days notice. I'm sure everyone that progresses will find the time to getting their interview. They probably already know who the interview pool is they just need to pass the PAT1
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: kj on November 16, 2016, 02:37:51 PM
For those that have been through the interview process before what is to be expected? I know it wont be like any other interview as usually the candidate can be asking as many questions as the interviewer. Being that in this case no one being interviewed will have direct experience I assume they wont be asking any direct questions relating to experience you have in the field.

Do they only put scenarios forward? What are some examples of the questions?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: 80224 on November 16, 2016, 02:55:35 PM
It's not uncommon for most workplaces to ask for an interview with only a  few days notice.

SA Gov't policy is 3 days notice minimum.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on November 16, 2016, 03:12:31 PM
It's not uncommon for most workplaces to ask for an interview with only a  few days notice.

SA Gov't policy is 3 days notice minimum.


Maybe the 3 weeks  notice about when interviews would take place  when you first applied counts?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on November 16, 2016, 03:24:51 PM
Interview emails went out this afternoon.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: 80224 on November 16, 2016, 03:31:08 PM
There you go. :)
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: GG on November 16, 2016, 04:12:38 PM
Not looking good for me then if interview emails have already gone out
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Potentiometer on November 16, 2016, 04:19:12 PM
Tuesday beep tester here,
No interview email either. Not stressing as they most likely notified only applicants who are interviewing on Monday, as they did with the beep tests
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on November 16, 2016, 06:10:55 PM
Ran in to a firey mate of mine today. If u didn't do beep Tuesday you won't get an interview this calendar year.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on November 16, 2016, 06:21:12 PM
I ran the beep test Tuesday Morning, haven't heard anything. Can someone confirm on here if they have had an interview request.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: abcdefgh on November 16, 2016, 07:15:03 PM
Pac - Yes beep Tuesday and received interview email this afternoon
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on November 16, 2016, 08:09:27 PM
Congratulations mate! What time did u run it on Tuesday? Wonder if everyone you ran it with got the e mail today or everyone going to the interview has been notified...
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Maclurrie on November 17, 2016, 06:45:25 AM
Good Morning all,

For everyone who was successful after more than one attempt with aptitude testing or for those of you who have used practice aptitude tests before.
What ones did you use, do you feel like they helped you overall and has anyone had any interaction with Fire Service Recruitment (Brent Clayton) and did you feel it was beneficial?

My email didn't specifically say that I was unsuccessful however I find it unlikely that so many people will fail the beep test and I will get pushed forward as I have no accurate way of determining who else is in the same situation as me so I'm already looking ahead to next year and I'll continue doing the free maths courses and aptitude tests that I've found with the hope that I'll improve.


Cheers,
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: RBMK2000 on November 17, 2016, 04:17:12 PM
I received an invitation to interview today for late next week. I did my beep test on Wednesday. Maybe they are interviewing everybody who completed level 9.6?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Potentiometer on November 17, 2016, 04:20:02 PM
Still no interview email for me, completing the pat1 on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on November 17, 2016, 04:31:25 PM
No interview for me either. I did my beep test early Tuesday.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on November 17, 2016, 04:38:14 PM
Are you male RMBK?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: GG on November 17, 2016, 04:45:57 PM
I'm not male, did my Beep test on Tuesday, and still no email for me either.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: RBMK2000 on November 17, 2016, 04:47:51 PM
Are you male RMBK?

I am not a member of any of the targeted groups...I am male, middle-class and a cracker to boot.  I am sure there is some logic driving the interview timings but it seems indifferent to PAT1 appointment times.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Potentiometer on November 17, 2016, 04:54:39 PM
Yeah there really is not much point trying to work out the method to the madness. Whatever will happen will happen when it's meant to.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on November 17, 2016, 05:38:05 PM
What days are they actually interviewing? Tuesday - Friday? There were two interview panels last intake. I wonder if they will stick with that or have one panel for more consistency.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: gusto1 on November 17, 2016, 05:40:51 PM
Has anyone who received the email further information will be forthcoming heard anything this week
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Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: 80224 on November 17, 2016, 05:57:29 PM
Has anyone who received the email further information will be forthcoming heard anything this week
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Not yet.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: kj on November 17, 2016, 06:07:25 PM
How long does the interview stage go for? How many can they do in a day?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Potentiometer on November 18, 2016, 03:09:40 PM
Just received an email saying I've been placed into an interview pool to be interviewed at a later date.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on November 18, 2016, 03:34:13 PM
In the interview pool... Again... 128 of us in there as they didn't blind the cc...
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Potentiometer on November 18, 2016, 03:47:10 PM
Yeah that's some real poor form by HR. That stuff is meant to be confidential!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Testuser on November 18, 2016, 03:50:42 PM
In the interview pool... Again... 128 of us in there as they didn't blind the cc...

wow almost can't believe that, someone screwed up bad.
on the plus side at least you know the odds now
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on November 18, 2016, 03:54:23 PM
So if they interview every day next week and conduct a max of 8 one hour interviews that would mean there are 40 getting interviewed? Or 80 if there are two interview panels?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: kj on November 18, 2016, 03:58:21 PM
50 I've been told. Which works with the original 200 tested and 20 odd fails/no shows.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on November 18, 2016, 04:05:20 PM
I dare say someone will be getting a talking to on Monday. Would love to know how many people have been invite next week. Is there a score to pass the interview? wonder where we sit in the interview pool? Not guaranteed to get an interview in it. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: swift on November 18, 2016, 04:29:53 PM
So what does interview pool mean? I completed my PAT1 Tuesday afternoon and just got the interview pool email. This is the first time I've come this far.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Potentiometer on November 18, 2016, 04:58:55 PM
Basically, they've ranked the top 50 for the personality profile tests, and will interview them for the first/second drill squad. And when or if  they require they will draw another number of applicants for further interviews/drill squads. No guarantees for an interview, the last couple  recruitments have put a lot of weight on the profiling, interviewing considerably less applicants.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: swift on November 18, 2016, 05:19:13 PM
Ah thanks. My email was near the bottom of that CC list so probably extremely  unlikely to get an interview then.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: joshman on November 18, 2016, 05:30:37 PM
anyone else not recieved anything yet? I completed Pat 1 on Wed and havnt even gotten the interview pool email yet.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Potentiometer on November 18, 2016, 05:33:06 PM
Wouldn't look into that cc list too hard. It could also be near the bottom as you were the first few added to the list i.e just outside of the top 50. Or it's completely random/alphabetical/applicant id etc etc. as I said earlier, don't stress yourself trying to work out the method to the madness, it's a brutal, stab in the dark sort of process for them. Carry on with your life, stay fit, and you may hear something, or may not.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on November 18, 2016, 05:38:01 PM
At least HR are consistent. Stuffed up last time too
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on November 18, 2016, 05:43:14 PM
At least HR are consistent. Stuffed up last time too

Care to expand?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on November 19, 2016, 02:40:45 AM
Siting of truck licenses and uploading of first aid etc meant I originally didn't even get to first stage
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Post by: Roscoe on November 19, 2016, 06:55:17 AM
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Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: gusto1 on November 19, 2016, 07:26:58 AM
Well said Roscoe.
Maybe you could run the HR department!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on November 19, 2016, 07:54:03 AM
Every person that applied could lay claim to the fact that they are "intelligent, keen to learn, has a fantastic work ethic, and is a valued, respected and respectful member of his team. He is also very fit and capable, trustworthy, reliable and brilliant at the job. As candidates go, he is as good as it gets"

And claiming that the SAMFS is not filtering out the best applicants and it's unacceptable based on the anecdotal evidence that  you and your mate didn't progress is a broad and sweeping statement and probably an unfair comment to those on this forum who have progressed through to the next stage.

Feedback is not an obligation from employers to all people who are unsuccessful in winning  a position. Often the most you will get is a "there were a number of high quality candidates who were more suitable" and you need to accept that and move on and throw your hat in the ring next intake.

Obviously they will not release the results from SAFESELECT. If they do that, the process is null and void as people alter their results to fit into a certain personality type and muppets slip through the net. I would advise against stamping your feet and talk HR to town because you are disappointed you haven't progressed. The process is clearly outlined on the website prior to application so none of this process should have surprised you.

I can understand your frustration but your post seems like sour grapes more than anything else. If you were being interviewed I'm sure you'd think the process was great.
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Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Potentiometer on November 19, 2016, 10:31:52 AM
The process is brutal, great candidates always miss out. And this goes for all fire services. The nature of it is they need to cut down 2000+ people to 18-54. I do agree - and probably from a biased opinion due to where my application is at that they are going the wrong direction by interviewing less candidates as there is a huge value from face to face interviews and evaluating applicants demeanor. There are always external factors at play which can never be disregarded. Government policy/politics internally, boards and funding all affect the process. I do know they need to get a drill squad signed off by the end of the year, which has hastened the process and made it seem much less structured than normal. My suggestion is have a vent, don't pin any hopes on the process, try again next time with a clear head.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: 80224 on November 20, 2016, 08:14:41 PM
I work with a lot of current SAMFS employees, some of who are involved in training the recruits. All of them have indicated that the candidates who get through are not always very suitable. Some are great, but a lot aren't especially on the first few drill squads taken from a recruitment process. They generally get better as they get to the candidates from further down the selection order.

This is not just my opinion, many of the SAMFS people I work with have worked with him too. They'd happily swap him for many of the people currently riding trucks in SA.

I call BS on all of this.  First of all, if there was any evidence that personality traits of candidates 'further down the selection order' produced better firefighters, I would have thought that this feedback would filter up the chain and the selection criteria adjusted as a result.  Especially since it apparently came from 'people involved in training'

Second, I have worked with dozens of individuals in my profession (finance/accounting) who I thought were absolutely hopeless (and so did many of my colleagues).  But there were still others in the organisation who thought that those same individuals were the best thing since sliced bread.  In other words, opinions vary greatly from individual to individual - what makes your opinion the right one?

We agree on one thing - the abilities part was piss easy.  If anything, there's a quick way to eliminate a bunch of applicants if they perform poorly.

As for the psych test - my attitude was this:  I answered all of the questions as honestly as possible.  I figured, why lie or pretend to be something I am not, only to be selected based on those lies and potentially not fit in the workplace at the end of it all. 

My personal opinion is that you should let it go.  If you had 20 years of experience in recruitment and training of firefighters, then maybe you'd be taken seriously in relation to 'feedback on how to improve the selection process'... but at the moment you just look like some disgruntled applicant who has decided to be difficult and stick it up to SAMFS HR. (Not saying that this is the case, but if it sounds like a duck........)  Also, what makes your think that opinion on the topic is right?  Or wanted?

Have you ever though that maybe you didn't get through this time because there's simply a red flag next to your name due to the hassle you caused with FOI etc last time around?

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Post by: Roscoe on November 20, 2016, 10:14:46 PM
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Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on November 21, 2016, 03:54:14 AM
Time to accept that the SAMFS don't think you meet their entry requirements. No matter how much you tell us about your successful career in Britain and how you and your mates would make much better firefighters than anyone else who "can" meet the entry requirements.
Employers set the standards that they recruit by, not applicants.
I'm not sure if you realise but many reading your posts will think "Mfs have got it right" because you come across as thinking you are far superior than anyone else and you are more than happy to discredit many people already in the job.
There are many on this forum who have missed out many times and you are still gaining little support.
It's simple. Rightly or wrongly the Mfs are targetting a particular personality type/trait and you are not it yet 200 can meet what they are looking for.
The only point I agree on is we should have access to our personality results.

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Post by: Roscoe on November 21, 2016, 08:00:04 AM
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Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: 80224 on November 21, 2016, 08:17:42 AM
There could be dozens of reasons why you did not progress, and perhaps none are related to your psych test results.

It's no secret that SAMFS have been slammed for hiring too many 'anglo male' recruits in recent years, and there has been particular emphasis on hiring a gender and culturally diverse group this time.

It could be your age.

It could be your level of education.

It could be your address.

It could be something else completely different which could be bit too sensitive to disclose and discuss publicly.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on November 21, 2016, 09:21:27 AM
Oh he was a firefighter, hire him on the spot....
There is applicants from equally transferable professions who miss out each time from police officers, military personnel, the list goes on.  I have passed one of the toughest selection courses in the ADF and didn't get thru the SAMFS on two occasions. Suitable but not suitable enough. I just get on with life.
All your whinging and whining and trying to justify to yourself how hard done by you are is probably the exact reason you can't get thru.
Anyway. Good luck next application process. I might see you there.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Rider on November 21, 2016, 11:15:34 AM
For those applicants who got the interview pool letter,  when do you think they will likely interview the next group? And roughly how many?  I would assume another 50?

I have herd multiple rumours on the amount of squads they want to put through next year. I would assume the max is 4 but also herd an expected 3 squad intake.

For everyones sake let hope it's 4.

Out of interest have many applicants here on this forum made it to interview stage?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Spark on November 21, 2016, 11:32:54 AM
It makes the most sense to interview the entire pool and then fill the recruit courses, that way the top ranking get positions rather than just the best 18 out of the 50 or so interviewed. I don't think more interviews will be until the new year but I really have no idea.

Does anyone know how the cab ranking system works?

Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: kj on November 21, 2016, 11:42:12 AM
They wont know exactly how many courses they're going to run as they operate on an as per needs basis. The more that leave they more courses will be run.

I think they'll interview the 50 now, some will fill the first squad, some will just miss out and probably go to the next squad and some may completely bomb out.
 
Christmas is four weeks away then is the January slow times so I wouldn't be expecting anything until at least Feb/Mar next year.

Of course this is only my theory. 
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on November 21, 2016, 12:14:19 PM
Unless someone bombs out of the interview process completely you all applicants would be cab ranked. Performance in the personality profiling also contributes to your ranking.

I've heard they are anticipating two  squads this financial year and at least one in the first half on the next financial year.

Most shifts at the moment are on recall and doing overtime as there are not enough relievers available so you'd imagine three squads is a possibility.
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Post by: Roscoe on November 21, 2016, 04:46:28 PM
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Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: 80224 on November 22, 2016, 07:31:34 AM
Far from whinging and doing nothing about it, I am trying to do something that enables myself and others to understand what they have to do in order to progress further in the career they want to pursue. Doing nothing means you might as well not bother applying in the future, because the process won't have changed and neither will you. The result will be the same.

So help me understand this... you attended the psych & abilities assessment, stayed in the room when they asked anyone who doesn't agree with the terms & conditions to leave the room now, signed those same terms agreeing that you will not have access to your results and yet here you are... thinking you are entitled to something. 

Why is it so hard to believe and understand that the assessment methodology used by SAFESELECT might contain proprietary information which, if made public, could result in a financial loss to the company, OR an unfair advantage to yourself should you undertake the test again.

Your badgering might have the opposite effect to what you're hoping to achieve.... if anything you will force them to strengthen their legal clauses and processes to ensure that no amount of emails, FOI applications etc. can ever result in anyone gaining access to their results.

Let it go man.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on November 23, 2016, 06:12:47 AM
For those doing the interview, are all 50 people ranked from 1 - 50 no matter what? Even if some people interview awfully, will they still remain in the top 50 or will they get rejected?

And for those that have done the interview this week, how'd you go? Any indication of when your PAT 2 will be?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on November 23, 2016, 06:35:14 AM
Surly they won't remain in the top 50... a bit unfair to the rest of the people in the 'interview pool'/ what's the point in having the interview pool.That's why I asked before if the interview is a pass/fail (you have to get a certain score to proceed to the PAT2).

 In 2011 they took 170 people to the interview stage, 2014 they took 70 and who knows this time. I find it interesting that they think they can select the best candidates from only interviewing 50 people. Some one sitting '70' in the interview pool could easily interview well and have more experiences than   1-50... them's the breaks!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on November 23, 2016, 07:32:26 AM
It would be rare that a high volume of people would crash and burn in the interview process but last intake I'm told a very small number of people were notified they were not progressing from the interview stage. The cab ranking is a combination of the profiling, interview, CV and references. Last time they had 40 do the PAT 2 which allowed for 2 squads plus change if people failed it or the medical.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on November 23, 2016, 09:53:30 AM
Perhaps every one will get a score from interview and as more are interviewed they may leap over others already in the rank??
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on November 23, 2016, 10:18:07 AM
Perhaps every one will get a score from interview and as more are interviewed they may leap over others already in the rank??

That would mean that they wouldn't make any employment offers before interviewing more people from the pool wouldn't it?

I have just assumed that at least 36 of those 50 are going to get jobs. I'm one of those in the interview pool so I've got my fingers crossed that we all get the call up to come in for an interview.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on November 23, 2016, 10:32:00 AM
That's definitly a possibility. I guess it depends on how much value is placed on the personality profiling. You would think it is likely that if the first group interviewed are of a high quality after the interview they will make up the first squad and the second (if there is one) and any left over may be top of the pile for a third squad (if there is one) unless the second group interviewed are stronger candidates.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Chipsngravy on November 24, 2016, 06:59:33 PM
Oh he was a firefighter, hire him on the spot....
There is applicants from equally transferable professions who miss out each time from police officers, military personnel, the list goes on.  I have passed one of the toughest selection courses in the ADF and didn't get thru the SAMFS on two occasions. Suitable but not suitable enough. I just get on with life.
All your whinging and whining and trying to justify to yourself how hard done by you are is probably the exact reason you can't get thru.
Anyway. Good luck next application process. I might see you there.

I don't expect to be hired on the spot. Not at all. But as an ex solider, imagine if you moved to another country and applied for the exact same role. You'd expect to be considered over a civilian with no military experience wouldn't you? Would you be baffled if you weren't? Would you be interested in finding out why?

Far from whinging and doing nothing about it, I am trying to do something that enables myself and others to understand what they have to do in order to progress further in the career they want to pursue. Doing nothing means you might as well not bother applying in the future, because the process won't have changed and neither will you. The result will be the same.
roscoe you're a peanut
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: abcdefgh on November 28, 2016, 09:44:29 AM
Has anyone heard how long interviews are going on for and whether anyone has had a PAT 2 call up?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on November 28, 2016, 11:40:23 AM
Interviews were scheduled for Monday-Friday of last week. Collating  the results and forming the cab rank from there before notifying successful applicants??
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: RBMK2000 on November 29, 2016, 04:47:00 PM
Received an email invitation to contest PAT 2 next week. Scattered around this in space and time are a few provided testing appointments - hearing, respiratory and what I assume is a general medical.  Excited but also nervous and definitely feeling like I have been very lucky.

The timeframe is really short on this, which makes negotiating four appointments around work kind of tricky!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: bull on November 29, 2016, 05:00:00 PM
Mate, well done. You are so close. Pat 2 invites are about as close to a job offer as you can get. Watch the vid and see if you can replicate some off the exercises. Looks like you don't have a lot of prep time though. Don't drop anything and I hope you like stairs and being wrapped in plastic
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on November 29, 2016, 05:09:48 PM
When did emails come out?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on November 29, 2016, 06:08:40 PM
Went out early  this afternoon to those who have been successful at progressing to PAT2.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on November 29, 2016, 06:10:36 PM
Went out early  this afternoon to those who have been successful at progressing to PAT2.

Do you know how many of the 50 that were interviewed were successful and invited to PAT 2?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on November 29, 2016, 06:27:49 PM
Enough for 1 squad and a couple of spares to allow for fails?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: abcdefgh on November 29, 2016, 06:45:39 PM
Well done mate on progression to PAT2. One question: Do you know if your references were contacted or will that be later?

Received an email invitation to contest PAT 2 next week. Scattered around this in space and time are a few provided testing appointments - hearing, respiratory and what I assume is a general medical.  Excited but also nervous and definitely feeling like I have been very lucky.

The timeframe is really short on this, which makes negotiating four appointments around work kind of tricky!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on November 30, 2016, 02:48:58 AM
I am starting to agree with Roscoe about this whole recruitment process. Mate i play cricket with is in Mfs and told me about the make up of the interview panels. How can there be any consistency with so many different panels and some made up entirely of uniformed firefighters and some a HR person and a firefighter??
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on November 30, 2016, 08:14:32 AM
I don't have a huge issue if that's how the panels have been made up. One member of the panel (HR REP) act  as a scribe and notes the applicants responses while the other asks the questions and asks for further clarification if needed.

This is not an uncommon practice where there are multiple interview panels. The chair of each panel then meet, review responses and rank applicants accordingly. It  is the responsibility of the applicant to be prepared and provide responses that clearly outline their suitability for the role so when all panes meet they can can accurately rank people.

Plenty of people sit on interview panels for positions they have not held themselves.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on December 01, 2016, 12:33:37 PM
So have those who have been interviewed but not made it to the pat2 been notified of where they stand in the overall picture?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on December 01, 2016, 12:51:29 PM
Maybe they'll wait to see if many fail pat2?? Just a guess
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: abcdefgh on December 01, 2016, 12:55:08 PM
So have those who have been interviewed but not made it to the pat2 been notified of where they stand in the overall picture?


Nope
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on December 01, 2016, 04:30:20 PM
Be nice if they let people know so they can move on with life
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: phoenix on December 02, 2016, 02:08:53 PM
Be nice if they let people know so they can move on with life

You'll just have to get on with things, and wait until you hear otherwise. I've found the process to be frustrating, confusing, and bizarre, yet it was also exciting to be a part of it. I was given the 'wait until further information' email. I'm not holding my breath. If they want to speak with me, then I'll be made aware. Until then, just going about things like normal. When the new year rolls around, I'll study more maths and english - as I'm certain I didn't do as well as I could have done.

I spoke to a few people, and there's no way that feedback will be given, regardless of what you wanted feedback on (I wanted feedback on the aptitude section to confirm my suspicions about my maths). So, yeah, just go about life and prepare for the next one, as there will be another call!

Shall start a 2017 thread in January. Let's endeavour to keep it positive and encouraging, yeah? Air your frustrations, for sure, but steer away from bagging people for their opinions.

All the best to those who are progressing through to the PAT2. Deep breathing, stay focused, and don't drop anything!

Merry Christmas to all of you.  8-) :-)
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Potentiometer on December 02, 2016, 05:45:38 PM
This is the right attitude above me.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on December 05, 2016, 05:29:40 PM
I hear there may have been a pat2 fail or two today. 150 more and I might get a call up :)
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on December 05, 2016, 05:39:59 PM
On which task/s?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on December 05, 2016, 05:44:26 PM
Dont know
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Jack23 on December 05, 2016, 08:10:41 PM
I hear there may have been a pat2 fail or two today. 150 more and I might get a call up :)
How many? Guys or Gals or both ?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on December 06, 2016, 11:04:48 AM
How reliable is your information beater? You'd like you're chances if you were in the PAT2 testing group and 2 of the 22 being tested had failed on day 1.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on December 06, 2016, 11:32:04 AM
i heard one failed. Just rumour though
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on December 06, 2016, 11:54:42 AM
How reliable is your information beater? You'd like you're chances if you were in the PAT2 testing group and 2 of the 22 being tested had failed on day 1.

Not as reliable as yours
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on December 07, 2016, 05:02:10 PM
Any news how the PAT2 testing has gone the last couple of days? I heard a second  hand rumour there might have been another fail.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: RBMK2000 on December 08, 2016, 01:42:26 PM
Success in PAT 2 today ... then immediately to various places to be fitted for uniforms and so on.

One of the places told me that about 12 or so people had been in already this week.

Now I just have the medical early next week to worry about!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on December 08, 2016, 02:15:12 PM
Nice work. Congrats
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on December 08, 2016, 02:20:48 PM
Congrats mate! Awesome news.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on December 12, 2016, 11:43:59 AM
Its all gone very quiet on here. Those who had interviews couple weeks back had any further info or feedback??
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: abcdefgh on December 12, 2016, 12:47:20 PM
No haven't heard anything
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on December 12, 2016, 01:05:33 PM
Good to see HR keeping up the good work :-o
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: NRJG2424 on December 12, 2016, 06:10:36 PM
I had my interview 3 weeks ago today. I spoke to my work references last week and they had not been contacted, when I found that out I just figured I was unsuccessful. It would be nice to know either way.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Jack23 on December 13, 2016, 12:53:44 PM
I had my interview 3 weeks ago today. I spoke to my work references last week and they had not been contacted, when I found that out I just figured I was unsuccessful. It would be nice to know either way.
pretty sure work reference & criminal check is last things they do
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on December 15, 2016, 04:26:47 PM
Any word on where the interview people sit on the scheme of things or HR being slack as usual??
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on December 15, 2016, 05:05:15 PM
I imagine they are in the process of creating the first squad of 18 by collating medical results and referee checks rather than worrying about those they actually can't give any genuine information to. If you've been interviewed and not received notification your out of the process your in the best position, excusing those who are already ahead in the selection process.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: NRJG2424 on December 15, 2016, 05:48:34 PM
Does anyone know if any of the people interviewed have been told they are unsuccessful yet?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on December 15, 2016, 05:53:41 PM
I would suggest it's piss poor and typical of the entire process that the people interviewed have no idea where they stand in the entire scheme of things. It's not hard to let people know where they are at.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: abcdefgh on December 16, 2016, 03:31:31 PM
I've emailed HR a couple of times and have received responses from them fairly promptly - the last response was today and it just seems like they're busy sorting through the 1st squad and we will 'receive notification as soon as possible'. Looks like we just need to be patient, enjoy Xmas and wait for a response in the new year.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: abcdefgh on December 19, 2016, 11:44:40 AM
OK so I didn't have to wait until the New Year  :-D I just received an email saying I was unsuccessful in the interview process and I could register my interest to receive feedback on my interview in the new year.
All the best to those still in the process.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on December 19, 2016, 01:17:38 PM
I heard some of the questions asked in the interview. Quite ridiculous.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: abcdefgh on December 19, 2016, 01:34:47 PM
Yeah it was a hard interview and I left it feeling like I hadn't done well.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on December 19, 2016, 05:38:03 PM
They sounded like psych related questions some of them. How can some HR clown and a few firefighters be qualified to draw conclusions from the responses?  Sounds quite half baked. Oh well, i dont have to worry about it this time. Maybe next year
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on December 19, 2016, 05:51:42 PM
Who else is going to be?? A number of panels included commanders and those running the forthcoming drill squad.

People can't have it both ways. You can't on one hand complain that the interview process is to rigid, not personable enough and doesn't give the opportunity to weed out potential spuds and then on the other complain that it is too personal and gets to know you on a deeper level.

Given you have not sat in an interview beater, i'd pipe down. There has been a major overhaul of the application process and what you've seen this year is here for the foreseeable future. Figurw out a way to make it work for you rather than whinge.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on December 19, 2016, 06:11:53 PM
Who else is it going to be?
If you want to ask psych related questions then someone with a psych related background should probably ask the questions. I have sat many similar in the ADF and its not a corporal and a Sargeant analyzing responses, they may ask the work related questions then a professional deals with the rest.
But of course you would defend the current recruitment process...
Anyway im out, see you all next year, need to go study up on ways to improve my personality  :)
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: RBMK2000 on December 21, 2016, 09:47:02 PM
Well I passed the medical on Thursday last week...white coat syndrome resulted in me wearing a blood pressure monitor for a day to verify that I am not on the brink of explosion  :lol: Interesting to read the results of the various different tests...I have never been so 'measured' in my life! Plus it's a good way to kill time while I wait for more news.

On that, I was told by one of my referees that today (Wed) is the due date for their reports (MFS supplied them with some questions I'm not privy to). Seems like it will be wrapping up soon - waiting for something in writing before I truly believe I made it into the service.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: phoenix on December 22, 2016, 08:22:45 AM
Well I passed the medical on Thursday last week...white coat syndrome resulted in me wearing a blood pressure monitor for a day to verify that I am not on the brink of explosion  :lol: Interesting to read the results of the various different tests...I have never been so 'measured' in my life! Plus it's a good way to kill time while I wait for more news.

On that, I was told by one of my referees that today (Wed) is the due date for their reports (MFS supplied them with some questions I'm not privy to). Seems like it will be wrapping up soon - waiting for something in writing before I truly believe I made it into the service.

You may get a pretty sweet Christmas present this year!
Sounds interesting with all the tests and then the referee questions.

All the best!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: 80224 on December 22, 2016, 12:41:05 PM
Seems like it will be wrapping up soon - waiting for something in writing before I truly believe I made it into the service.

Well done and congratulations!  :-D
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Jack23 on December 22, 2016, 01:38:52 PM
Seems like it will be wrapping up soon - waiting for something in writing before I truly believe I made it into the service.

Well done and congratulations!  :-D
Have they told you that your in ?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: 80224 on December 23, 2016, 07:54:09 PM
No, I haven't heard hear anything since the last email.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Jack23 on December 23, 2016, 09:32:30 PM
No, I haven't heard hear anything since the last email.
i was referring to the quote from RMBk2000 which suggests that he is in & just waiting for written confirmation.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: RBMK2000 on December 24, 2016, 06:34:41 AM
Nothing in writing yet! I guess it will be early in the new year before this happens. Merry X-mas all!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on December 24, 2016, 07:58:55 AM
Heard it won't be until late January to allow time for those who don't have their MR license to get it.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: NRJG2424 on December 24, 2016, 03:43:39 PM
I got an email on Wednesday telling me that I am not required to do the PAT2 at this time but I have been placed in a consideration pool and to keep fit until further notice in the new year.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on December 28, 2016, 04:07:41 AM
Nothing in writing yet! I guess it will be early in the new year before this happens. Merry X-mas all!

Do you have your truck license already?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: RBMK2000 on December 28, 2016, 06:42:59 AM
Nothing in writing yet! I guess it will be early in the new year before this happens. Merry X-mas all!

Do you have your truck license already?

Yes I already have HR (unrestricted).
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Spark on December 28, 2016, 12:43:59 PM
Heard it won't be until late January to allow time for those who don't have their MR license to get it.

So they won't confirm you're 'in' until you get your truck license?

Would be great to know when the next round of interviews will start and how many they take through for it. I'm guessing it will be early on in the new year but that's just an assumption.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on December 28, 2016, 03:44:30 PM
With the new process applicants are not required to have their MR until late in the process. There are multiple applicants  who passed the PAT2 and medical but does not have their license. I think they were given 4 weeks from their medical to attain it which takes things to around mid Jan.

All applicants will be notified at the same time late in January.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: BT085 on January 08, 2017, 11:04:18 AM
Notified at same time in January would prob mean recruit course start date late feb one would imagine to allow for giving 4 weeks notice to current employers etc. left foot strap or anyone- if they were gonna call for another lot to be interviewed, (if required to suss the pool for a potential 2nd squad) when do you rekon that would take place?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on January 09, 2017, 12:21:38 PM
I believe there are enough left over from the first round of interviews, plus those who have been PAT2 tested,  but won't make the final cut to easily fill a second squad.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: abcdefgh on January 10, 2017, 08:52:12 AM
I hear invites for interview may have been sent out yesterday to those in the pool that had successfully completed PAT1.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on January 10, 2017, 12:52:29 PM
Where did you hear that from abc...? Wonder how many they have invited?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on January 10, 2017, 06:32:25 PM
I heard a rumour they are interviewing another 40. Just a rumour though
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on January 13, 2017, 08:35:13 AM
Can anyone on here confirm that they have been invited to the next interview stage?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on January 13, 2017, 09:34:41 AM
I can confirm a friend of mine has. 100% true
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on January 13, 2017, 10:10:19 AM
Missed out again... when do they start Beater?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Rider on January 13, 2017, 11:19:19 AM
I can confirm I have one for next week. Got the email on Monday
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on January 19, 2017, 05:52:56 PM
Has anyone received "feedback" from their interviews??
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pepsi on January 23, 2017, 12:57:56 PM
Hey Jack23 I'm assuming you've had a uniform fitting etc? Have you heard anything since?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: abcdefgh on January 26, 2017, 12:37:04 PM
Has anyone received "feedback" from their interviews??

No still waiting for feedback
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on January 26, 2017, 02:59:45 PM
Good to see HR keeping up their good work.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on January 26, 2017, 04:00:45 PM
They've probably been busy notifying successful applicants. Squad starts last week of Feb.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: abcdefgh on January 27, 2017, 01:26:54 PM
I'd also think they wouldn't want to give feedback that could potentially be used to inform candidates currently being interviewed now.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on February 01, 2017, 01:20:49 PM
Are people still being interviewed? The people who were recently interviewed, was that for the second squad or was that to see if there were people more suited for the first squad? Wonder if they are going to interview anymore people or this is it? Fingers crossed they interview some more.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on February 01, 2017, 02:53:51 PM
Im pretty sure the first squad is all sorted.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on February 03, 2017, 01:28:33 PM
Had to laugh on the weekend when i heard HR have stuffed up and someone who was meant to get a fail for interview actually got a job offer....
Classic
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on February 03, 2017, 03:40:34 PM
Had to laugh on the weekend when i heard HR have stuffed up and someone who was meant to get a fail for interview actually got a job offer....
Classic


Wow. Genuinely jaw dropping. How does that happen!?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on February 03, 2017, 03:46:39 PM
Had to laugh on the weekend when i heard HR have stuffed up and someone who was meant to get a fail for interview actually got a job offer....
Classic


Wow. Genuinely jaw dropping. How does that happen!?

Could just be a vicious rumour, im sure LFS will come on here and deny it.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on February 03, 2017, 03:52:03 PM
Had to laugh on the weekend when i heard HR have stuffed up and someone who was meant to get a fail for interview actually got a job offer....
Classic

Havnt heard that one yet
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Left foot snap on February 03, 2017, 04:29:19 PM
Haven't heard that either.

You appear to have a massive issue with HR beater. I am understanding more and more why you can't get past the personality profiling.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: NRJG2424 on February 21, 2017, 07:45:09 PM
Has anyone who interviewed this year received any news on PAT2 for the next squad?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Benny on February 21, 2017, 07:50:47 PM
I sat the abilities and personality profiling last year... I have finally recieved an email confirming I wont be progressing further, although Id already assumed this. It stated that I achieved competency in the abilities test but due to my psych exam I am deemed ineligible to reapply for three years. Does anyone know if this is standard to have to wait three years before applying? Congrats to everyone that has been successful
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: FF GAZZ on February 22, 2017, 01:40:18 PM
I sat the abilities and personality profiling last year... I have finally recieved an email confirming I wont be progressing further, although Id already assumed this. It stated that I achieved competency in the abilities test but due to my psych exam I am deemed ineligible to reapply for three years. Does anyone know if this is standard to have to wait three years before applying? Congrats to everyone that has been successful

Yep got the same, although was interesting to read the 3 years bit as I don't remember them stating anywhere prior to applying that results will make you void of reapplying for said time period.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: 80224 on February 22, 2017, 01:51:28 PM
I also got a letter a few days ago, but no mention of a 3 year wait to reapply.... See below:

Thank you for you attendance at the Personality Profiling and Abilities Assessment as part of
your application for the position of Firefighter with the South Australian Metropolitan Fire
Service.

The MFS received a very large number of applications so your patience has been appreciated.

The purpose of the Profiling and Abilities Assessment is to the assess applicant’s suitability for
the role in terms of traits and characteristics, compared with those associated with successful
performance in the role of Firefighter.

Unfortunately in this instance, your application will not advance to the next stage because other
applicant’s results more closely match the job requirements.

As understood by you by way of signing a declaration, the MFS and SAFESELECT will not
provide additional information regarding this stage of the process.
Once again, thank you for both your interest and the effort you have made in this process.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on February 22, 2017, 08:28:04 PM
Heard from a couple choccos at my unit that the 3 year "ban" is because they believe you have been untruthful and tried to manipulate the test. It's a big call, but HR seem to think they can do whatever they want. I would make a complaint.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Benny on February 23, 2017, 03:41:20 PM
Thanks for the info guys. It was my first time applying, but Id never heard of a 3 year wait before applying again. Thats pretty ridiculous if its handed to people that they think manipulated the test, I dont understand what I possibly did to make it look like that.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: 80224 on February 23, 2017, 07:34:13 PM
I dont understand what I possibly did to make it look like that.
Possibly too many contradictory answers?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: FF GAZZ on February 24, 2017, 12:51:25 PM
Heard from a couple choccos at my unit that the 3 year "ban" is because they believe you have been untruthful and tried to manipulate the test. It's a big call, but HR seem to think they can do whatever they want. I would make a complaint.

May be an army thing then, maybe we are use to military political correctness and gave a too politically correct expression.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on February 24, 2017, 04:32:19 PM
The reservist guys are already in the mfs. So they have passed previously.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Rider on February 24, 2017, 04:49:15 PM
Beater - How many reservists do you know are in the MFS? Do you know if they are given time to deploy or not?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on February 24, 2017, 05:11:19 PM
Beater - How many reservists do you know are in the MFS? Do you know if they are given time to deploy or not?

I can answer. There is plenty. Being govt we have access to Defence leave for courses etc. can't recall how many weeks per year though
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Rider on February 24, 2017, 05:52:50 PM
Thanks ferret. Are you in the MFS and a reservist?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on February 24, 2017, 07:12:45 PM
Thanks ferret. Are you in the MFS and a reservist?

In mfs. Not reservist.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Rider on February 25, 2017, 09:58:16 AM
Thanks for the info Ferret. Muchly appreciated!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Citizen on February 25, 2017, 06:06:05 PM
I too got the '3 year' letter.
I must say it's really disappointing as I can hand on heart say that I walked out of that test happy that I answered truthfully from my perspective.
The letter you get versus the description on the website is appalling, if they label you 'high risk' etc they should attempt to give an indication why. Am I high risk of catching on fire? what are we high risk of please?
Having passed it all a few years back and be fitted for uniform to then not hear anything from them I am now done with the whole process and will look at other emergency service options.
If you do the numbers on what we all paid this time around they could EMPLOY someone to contact applicants and communicate a little better, it's allot but not unreasonable from a professional organization.
Well that's what I think. :)
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on February 28, 2017, 09:10:06 AM
Does anyone know how many people in total they have interviewed? I'm still hoping that I get an interview later on in the year but I haven't heard anything.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Velvet on February 28, 2017, 09:26:45 PM
PAC, I was interviewed in January for the second drill squad but haven't heard anything since walking out of the interview. Not sure how many were interviewed in January.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Rusty T on March 02, 2017, 07:11:02 PM
Same boat as you Velvet. Wondering if anyone has heard anything one way or another following the January interviews or knows of anyone that has?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on March 02, 2017, 07:46:17 PM
Same boat as you Velvet. Wondering if anyone has heard anything one way or another following the January interviews or knows of anyone that has?

I did hear they may have done a second lot of pat2 already for second recruit squad. Not 100% sure though.
Next year for me. Not highly suitable enough this time
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Rusty T on March 02, 2017, 08:21:06 PM
That sucks if they have but would think they would've by now. Would be great to get a 100% on that tho.
Bugger, maybe next time.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Velvet on March 02, 2017, 09:15:02 PM
The PAT2 testing for those interviewed in Jan was held on 2nd and 3rd of Feb. There were only a couple of applicants left over after the first squad was selected.

Rusty T - wouldn't mind knowing how many were interviewed in January as I've heard from several sources that the likelihood of a 3rd drill squad is high.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on March 03, 2017, 01:17:04 AM
There must have been close to 20 people left over after first squad was selected from initial interviews. Plus they interviewed another lot in January so I'd guess close to 90 have been interviewed for the first two squads.
Have heard there will be a third squad. All just rumours though that can change at anytime.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on March 03, 2017, 12:53:41 PM
I wonder if they have finalized the second squad or not. I know of a some people getting rejection letters from the 1st interview. I'm hoping that they still interview people for the second and third squad if there is going to be one. The not knowing is the hardest part.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on March 03, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
I wonder if they have finalized the second squad or not. I know of a some people getting rejection letters from the 1st interview. I'm hoping that they still interview people for the second and third squad if there is going to be one. The not knowing is the hardest part.

Have you done pat2? I think second squad have been fitted for uniforms. That's the rumour anyway
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on March 03, 2017, 04:36:43 PM
No I haven't got an interview yet. Still holding hope but not looking great.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Rusty T on March 04, 2017, 12:35:14 PM
Thanks for that Velvet. Unfortunately I did expect they would have already done the second round of PAT 2 testing. Given it was a month ago it would've been nice to be notified that I wouldn't be progressing to the next stage.
That would be great to have a third drill squad, just hope we're not out of it having already interviewed.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on March 24, 2017, 10:01:02 AM
Anyone here had interview and had no word back from HR at all?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Velvet on March 24, 2017, 11:23:21 AM
Beater. Interviewed in Jan and no word from HR at all.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on March 25, 2017, 03:19:45 AM
Well that's pretty piss poor.
I see Left Foot Snap has gone missing. Probably told to pull his head in or dealing with the back lash from charging people $100 to do a test, giving no feedback on results and then trying to ban people for 3 years because they are accusing them of lying on the testing.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on April 09, 2017, 07:07:10 AM
Have heard they have very recently interviewed another 40 or so people, making it 3 rounds of interviews.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Velvet on April 09, 2017, 02:20:35 PM
Correct Beater. I know someone who interviewed last Wednesday. I'm still waiting for my rejection email given I interviewed in January, I haven't heard anything since and now they've interviewed more applicants.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on April 09, 2017, 07:30:35 PM
HR and the whole recruiting process needs to be looked at. Very unprofessional and show little regard for the time and effort guys put in. 3 months after an interview and no corespondence. Piss poor
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Riseandshine on April 19, 2017, 06:36:05 PM
Hi everyone,

Week before last they interviewed a third lot from this recruitment campaign. Anyone heard anything regarding invitation to PAT2 since those interviews? Left foot snap- you seem to hear a bit of wats happening -  any ideas? Ive heard they are running things a bit differently this campaign so maybe they haven't told people anything yet. 

Cheers all.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on April 19, 2017, 08:46:54 PM
Hi everyone,

Week before last they interviewed a third lot from this recruitment campaign. Anyone heard anything regarding invitation to PAT2 since those interviews? Left foot snap- you seem to hear a bit of wats happening -  any ideas? Ive heard they are running things a bit differently this campaign so maybe they haven't told people anything yet. 

Cheers all.

I've been in headquarters lately and havnt seen any pat2 happening
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: j.wolfe on April 27, 2017, 01:25:01 PM
Hello,

Just wondering if anyone is in the same boat.
Interviewed, passed pat2, got requested HR license by 21st April.
Haven't heard a thing since?
Anyone confirmed for the 2nd drill squad, supposedly starting in early June..

Regards
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Rider on April 27, 2017, 01:39:18 PM
Hey mate,

Same boat, interviewed, PAT2, medicals, uniform fittings and referee checks done. I herd the 1st squad only got about 3 weeks notice if that helps.... it's been a long wait haha hopefully something is just around the corner
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on April 27, 2017, 01:40:23 PM
You can always ring HR and ask.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: j.wolfe on April 27, 2017, 02:09:54 PM
Thanks Rider,
Good to know I'm not the only one and that late notice is normal.
Hopefully hear something in coming weeks.

Cheers Ferret,
I rang a few weeks back and they couldn't confirm much only that names were being put forward and phone calls would be made very shortly.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Riseandshine on April 27, 2017, 03:52:33 PM
Hi J.Wolfe and Rider,
When were you guys interviewed and did the PAT2 etc? Was this around Late Jan / early Feb?
Or were you interviewed and PAT2'd within the last couple of weeks?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Rider on April 27, 2017, 07:17:30 PM
Early Jan / late Feb mate.

Yourself?

Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Riseandshine on April 27, 2017, 09:02:02 PM
Early April I was interviewed. If not for the second squad (doesn't sound like it) maybe a future squad well into next financial year (September onwards if 2nd squad starts in June).
I would have thought someone would have mentioned if they have received invite for PAT2 from the early April interviews, so at this stage no news is good news maybe.
Fingers crossed for you mate for 2nd squad.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on April 28, 2017, 06:06:38 AM
Early April I was interviewed. If not for the second squad (doesn't sound like it) maybe a future squad well into next financial year (September onwards if 2nd squad starts in June).
I would have thought someone would have mentioned if they have received invite for PAT2 from the early April interviews, so at this stage no news is good news maybe.
Fingers crossed for you mate for 2nd squad.

I believe there have been over 100 people interviewed so less than half will actually get a position. Probably lack of feedback due to still shuffling rankings etc from interviews and waiting results of other stages of process. Good luck
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on May 04, 2017, 02:58:10 PM
Anyone heard anything from the April interviews?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on May 04, 2017, 04:20:24 PM
People from January interviews have had no feedback what so ever. It appears only successful applicants get notified. It seems the changes to HR in last couple of processes have been for the worse
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on May 04, 2017, 04:35:43 PM
I know of people who have had rejection letters from the 1st interview. I would still hold hope Beater. You could still be part of the 3rd squad if they are having one. Who knows. It is a bit frustrating.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Riseandshine on May 05, 2017, 10:39:32 AM
I was April interviewed and haven't heard yet. I gather there is no rush from HR on conducting PAT2s though as April interviews would have been for a potential third squad well later this year so when 1st squad is currently halfway through recruit course now, no point in conducting PAT2 so far away from a recruit course start date (need people to be fit close to actually starting) that's my best guess anyway.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: j.wolfe on May 05, 2017, 12:49:18 PM
Hard to play the waiting game.
Has anyone been confirmed or heard of anyone confirmed for the second course yet?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on May 05, 2017, 02:08:53 PM
I think the 2nd squad would have been told as they have to be given time to ge truck license and give notice to employer
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: j.wolfe on May 05, 2017, 08:54:02 PM
That's what I was thinking.. well fingers crossed for a 3rd drill squad then.
I was informed to get my truck license by the end of last month and send through evidence
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on May 05, 2017, 08:58:11 PM
That's what I was thinking.. well fingers crossed for a 3rd drill squad then.
I was informed to get my truck license by the end of last month and send through evidence

Well I would guess if you have been told to get license then you will get job offer. You done pat2?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: j.wolfe on May 05, 2017, 11:41:49 PM
Competed and passed everything.
Been fitted out with uniform etc, just waiting for a call now I guess
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: RBMK2000 on May 09, 2017, 08:15:29 PM
Received a call this afternoon...offered a place on the next recruit course (starting early June)! Just waiting for the paperwork before I really really believe it!

It's been a bit of a nervous wait - PAT2 in December - thrilled to bits. Hopefully all of you who are waiting hear something soon too!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: j.wolfe on May 10, 2017, 08:48:29 AM
That's awesome news for you.
Fingers crossed for a call over next few days, otherwise I think it may be a long and painful wait for a possible 3rd drill squad.

When I did my pat2 I was told there were only a few more spots to be filled for the next course, one of us would be on that and the other possibly later in year.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: j.wolfe on May 10, 2017, 05:33:47 PM
Got a phone call this afternoon, on the same course in early June.
Absolutely stoked. Good luck to everyone else
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Riseandshine on May 10, 2017, 05:59:50 PM
Well done!
I received letter today for invitation to PAT2 later this month (clearly not for a June course) but still it's good news
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: j.wolfe on May 10, 2017, 07:43:01 PM
Great news also.

I was told the 3rd drill squad is HIGHLY likely but couldn't confirm 100%..
The pat2 test is awesome but very challenging, need to train really hard and specific for it.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on May 15, 2017, 01:22:38 PM
Riseandshine, you might be in the June squad. You might have jumped in front of people from second interview... who knows...
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Velvet on May 15, 2017, 02:22:58 PM
Interviewed in January but no contact since. Suspect I am out given a third round of PAT2 has been scheduled for late May and I didn't get an invite. Anyone in same boat or anyone who interviewed in Jan get an invite to contest PAT2 in late May?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Pac on May 17, 2017, 04:27:39 PM
Has anyone got any rejection letters from the April interviews?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: phoenix on May 21, 2017, 11:51:23 AM
Got a phone call this afternoon, on the same course in early June.
Absolutely stoked. Good luck to everyone else

Tried to PM you mate, not letting me?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on June 04, 2017, 02:48:28 PM
I heard most people have now received unsuccessful notifications.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Riseandshine on June 05, 2017, 05:16:40 PM
PAT2'd last week followed by lots of medicals and uniform fit up. Starting to get excited but now it's just a waiting game if they run the september squad and that I'm not a reserve, which of course is still possible. Glad that I passed the medical as heard this can be a stumbling point for some.

Squad 2 started today. Best of luck to everyone else still in the process.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on June 05, 2017, 07:58:42 PM
PAT2'd last week followed by lots of medicals and uniform fit up. Starting to get excited but now it's just a waiting game if they run the september squad and that I'm not a reserve, which of course is still possible. Glad that I passed the medical as heard this can be a stumbling point for some.

Squad 2 started today. Best of luck to everyone else still in the process.

Was over at the training centre today. They are preparing for a third squad. Things could change though I guess
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on June 08, 2017, 01:25:08 PM
I was told a few issues with some recruits from first intake. Maybe the guy who got job offer by mistake....
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: BRT on June 21, 2017, 09:50:03 AM
Anyone got feedback from last round of PAT2 for the 3rd drill squad?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Riseandshine on July 03, 2017, 06:38:45 PM
Doesn't appear anyone has any feedback yet
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: CFS_fire32 on July 04, 2017, 01:10:05 PM
Any estimate as to how many candidates have now been through the interview stage?

I believe there was ~180 candidates that passed PAT 1, 50 were interviewed before Christmas and ~130 told they are in the future interview pool. Since then, sounds like there has been an additional two rounds (please correct me if wrong) of interviews carried out? So, mustn't be too many still sitting in the interview pool?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on July 04, 2017, 04:48:49 PM
I was in the suitable but not highly suitable pool. If you havnt been interviewed yet I would suggest we are no hope as they are apparently doing 3 squads back to back to back.
Has anyone who got the " you cant apply again for 3 years cos we reckon you manipulated the test"
heard anything else?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on July 04, 2017, 07:43:18 PM
Any estimate as to how many candidates have now been through the interview stage?

I believe there was ~180 candidates that passed PAT 1, 50 were interviewed before Christmas and ~130 told they are in the future interview pool. Since then, sounds like there has been an additional two rounds (please correct me if wrong) of interviews carried out? So, mustn't be too many still sitting in the interview pool?

I'm in the interview pool. I think there's only a few over 20 or 30 left in the pool isn't there? That's what I heard.

I'd say it's not looking great for us but if we were to hear would it possibly be after the 3rd squad has started?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: BRT on August 08, 2017, 01:48:09 PM
Has anyone received a job offer for the 3rd drill squad? Current squad finishes on 8th September so can't be long now until they start notifying recruits for the next squad if it starts straight after. I would expect they give people at least 3-4 weeks notice for their current employment...

I was told that my referees were checked a few weeks ago, so hopefully that's good news.

Was also told a rumour that they may be looking to run a 4th squad in Jan 18.

Good luck to everyone still in the running.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on August 08, 2017, 04:27:09 PM
Do you have your truck license already?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Riseandshine on August 08, 2017, 05:37:45 PM
Same boat as you BRT. Just waiting now.
Ferret- I have my HR, why do you ask
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: BRT on August 08, 2017, 08:19:14 PM
I have my HR too. Can't wait to hear if made the squad.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on August 08, 2017, 08:53:46 PM
Same boat as you BRT. Just waiting now.
Ferret- I have my HR, why do you ask

Because if you didn't have it already they also need to give you time to get it before recruits starts.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Riseandshine on August 09, 2017, 12:30:28 PM
Just got offered a place in the sept squad starting sept 18. No words to describe how excited I am.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: BRT on August 11, 2017, 04:32:08 PM
Ferret do you know if they have called everyone that is getting a job offer for next squad yet? Riseandshine got a call 3 days ago, so concerned that I have not heard anything yet.

Hoping I am still in with a shot... passed all stages PAT2, medicals and uniform fittings.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on August 13, 2017, 11:55:14 AM
Ferret do you know if they have called everyone that is getting a job offer for next squad yet? Riseandshine got a call 3 days ago, so concerned that I have not heard anything yet.

Hoping I am still in with a shot... passed all stages PAT2, medicals and uniform fittings.

I only hear rumours, no inside information. I havnt heard about latest squad, give HR a call and ask.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: BRT on August 13, 2017, 02:03:12 PM
Cheers Ferret will do. Keeping my fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on August 13, 2017, 05:37:32 PM
I'll ask around at work tomorrow but would be pretty average to not be told you aren't in the actual numbers when going through the pat2 and medical
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on August 14, 2017, 08:17:23 PM
So did you hear anything today? Speak to HR? Hopefully they open applications again soon
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: BRT on August 15, 2017, 11:31:09 AM
Don't have any more info yet. Hopefully still in the running...
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: CFS_fire32 on August 17, 2017, 10:01:14 PM
Just got offered a place in the sept squad starting sept 18. No words to describe how excited I am.

Congratulations Riseandshine. What was the timeline for you in terms of when you did your Interview, Pat 2, Medical etc?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Riseandshine on August 18, 2017, 07:50:19 PM
Interview early April, pat 2 late May, medical first week June, referee checks early July, job offer mid august
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: CFS_fire32 on August 18, 2017, 11:31:18 PM
Interview early April, pat 2 late May, medical first week June, referee checks early July, job offer mid august

Okay thanks. Sounds like there is some more interviews happening in September. Would this be the last of the successful PAT 1 candidates?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Riseandshine on August 19, 2017, 11:13:38 PM
If what your saying is true (interviewing more in sept) it appears they are preparing to run a 4th squad in the new year.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: CFS_fire32 on August 24, 2017, 08:22:13 PM
Anyone have any understanding of drill squad selection with respect to interview pools?

They are definitely interviewing more candidates in September (number I've heard from an unofficial source is 30). So would it be that the 18 person 4th squad is selected only from this pool of 30 interviewees? Or would they have people identified and left over from the last interview pool(s) that will fill a number of positions in the 4th squad?

I also heard that after the 4th squad in early 2018, that will be the end of this intake and the whole process will start all over again... surely this can't be the case?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on August 24, 2017, 09:00:39 PM
Anyone have any understanding of drill squad selection with respect to interview pools?

They are definitely interviewing more candidates in September (number I've heard from an unofficial source is 30). So would it be that the 18 person 4th squad is selected only from this pool of 30 interviewees? Or would they have people identified and left over from the last interview pool(s) that will fill a number of positions in the 4th squad?

I also heard that after the 4th squad in early 2017, that will be the end of this intake and the whole process will start all over again... surely this can't be the case?

My understanding is that they have all the people who have been interviewed and passed interview but not selected in a recruit squad ranked. And as they interview more they slip in to The rankings depending on their interview score.
This is just a rumour on how it works. I could be totally wrong but just what I heard. Not mfs official info.
I
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: CFS_fire32 on September 02, 2017, 11:54:10 AM
Anybody have any idea how many more squads will be run from the current recruitment process? The third squad starts this month and they are also interviewing more candidates later this month so must be running at least one more squad early 2018...
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on September 02, 2017, 01:04:05 PM
Anybody have any idea how many more squads will be run from the current recruitment process? The third squad starts this month and they are also interviewing more candidates later this month so must be running at least one more squad early 2018...

Are you sure they aren't retained firies being interviewed? They have never run more than 4 before. Heard a rumour they may open applications in around 2 months time, just a rumour
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: CFS_fire32 on September 02, 2017, 02:38:59 PM
Anybody have any idea how many more squads will be run from the current recruitment process? The third squad starts this month and they are also interviewing more candidates later this month so must be running at least one more squad early 2018...

Are you sure they aren't retained firies being interviewed? They have never run more than 4 before. Heard a rumour they may open applications in around 2 months time, just a rumour

Yes, 100% certain they are not retained interviews. I know a couple of people that have been called up for interviewing late this month and they are part of the full time recruitment.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: abcdefgh on September 05, 2017, 11:56:42 AM
Has anyone who was unsuccessful in the interview received feedback as to why they weren't successful? I received and responded to the email around January requesting to be informed 'later in the year' but yet to hear anything myself.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on September 06, 2017, 07:01:38 PM
Has anyone who was unsuccessful in the interview received feedback as to why they weren't successful? I received and responded to the email around January requesting to be informed 'later in the year' but yet to hear anything myself.

Do you really expect anything else from the current HR department??? The last couple recruitment drives have been a comedy show
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on September 18, 2017, 01:52:47 PM
Has anyone still in the current 'interview pool' not heard anything?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on September 19, 2017, 07:38:52 AM
Contact HR and ask them where you stand.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on September 19, 2017, 01:30:55 PM
I've called multiple people and left multiple messages. Apparently the two head HR people are on leave at the moment. Making it very difficult to find anything out unfortunately.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on September 20, 2017, 11:03:34 AM
I've called multiple people and left multiple messages. Apparently the two head HR people are on leave at the moment. Making it very difficult to find anything out unfortunately.

I got in touch with someone, basically there is still a small number of people in the interview pool that haven't yet got an interview or been rejected, and they couldn't say what they have planned.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: CFS_fire32 on September 22, 2017, 11:29:23 PM
Have heard second hand from a couple of CFS staff members recently that MFS plan to run several drill squads next year due to a lot of FF reaching retirement age in very near future.

Mustn't be too many left in the interview pool, particularly with more interviews happening next week?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on September 23, 2017, 12:43:20 PM
I doubt they would take more than 4 squads from one recruitment campaign(never done before) so I would guess they may open applications again sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: CFS_fire32 on October 09, 2017, 08:55:40 PM
Any updates? Anyone know when exactly the 4th squad is scheduled to start?

How many candidates typically get invited to PAT 2?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on October 10, 2017, 05:45:14 AM
Any updates? Anyone know when exactly the 4th squad is scheduled to start?

How many candidates typically get invited to PAT 2?

Rumour is January. I think they usually only invite 1 or 2 “extras” for the pat2.
I have seen a couple of PT companies or offering training tips etc and are hinting that new applications will open very soon.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: WannaBFirey on October 26, 2017, 01:05:45 PM
Hi guys, received an invite to contest for PAT1 sometime in December. ?!?  I’m aware on another guy who also received. Am a little surprised as was advised after Pysch test that I was suitable, but others had been listed as more suitable (in not so many words)

I know there’s a squad in Jan, rumour 2nd squad for May which I guess I’m contesting for?

Just wondered if anyone else had any pertinent info?

Godsmacked, but more than happy to have a crack.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on October 26, 2017, 01:16:53 PM
Hi guys, received an invite to contest for PAT1 sometime in December. ?!?  I’m aware on another guy who also received. Am a little surprised as was advised after Pysch test that I was suitable, but others had been listed as more suitable (in not so many words)

I know there’s a squad in Jan, rumour 2nd squad for May which I guess I’m contesting for?

Just wondered if anyone else had any pertinent info?

Godsmacked, but more than happy to have a crack.

.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Velvet on October 27, 2017, 08:35:27 AM
Have you heard anything further Ferret? I received an email in early October advising that all interviews had now been completed and I would be receiving my interview feedback very soon.

Seems this may have changed now and further interviews to come and new application process not happening in November/December?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on October 28, 2017, 09:18:54 PM
Don’t hear much these days with change of HR staff. It appears they may be taking a fifth squad from last applications? Prob cost saving, big numbers of recruits needed over next few years. I’d guess they won’t need to open applications again this year but who knows?
And good luck getting any meaningful interview feedback
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on October 29, 2017, 12:01:37 PM
Have heard a few may have failed pat2 for
January course so the latest beep test invites may be to replace them.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: WannaBFirey on October 29, 2017, 12:05:46 PM
Cheers Ferret! Time will tell  :-D
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on October 29, 2017, 12:29:02 PM
Have heard a few may have failed pat2 for
January course so the latest beep test invites may be to replace them.

There are still a few people in the interview pool though. And if they have the beep test in December for a course starting in Jan, that surely isn't enough time.

Haven't heard any rumours of what's to happen with the rest of the interview pool have you?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Monger on October 29, 2017, 12:44:03 PM
Just because you have been interviewed doesn’t mean you are in a pool. They have been deeming people unsuitable from interview stage and basically failing them.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on October 29, 2017, 01:06:18 PM
I actually haven't been interviewed yet. I'm one of the candidates that passed the pat 1 and got told I was in the pool to be called up for an interview in the future if required.

Hence why I'm curious to see why they're doing more beep tests if some of us have passed the beep test and still not heard a thing further.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: Velvet on October 30, 2017, 09:55:43 AM
Cheers Ferret. Yes I was told I wasn’t progressing based on my interview result (interviewed in Jan but didn’t find out until May I wouldn’t be progressing after they interviewed for a 3rd squad). It seems they have been interviewing for squads and then failing those who do not make the cut for that particular squad (doesn’t really seem to be a cab rank??). I’m desperate to get feedback on my interview and I have been told on several occasions I’ll be receiving my feedback “very soon”. Needless to say I’m not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: pieces on November 07, 2017, 04:14:06 PM
Just got an email rejecting me, I'm disappointed but ah well not much I can do.

Good luck to those that have the beep test soon!


And for the reapplicants I'll see you next time!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: BRT on December 06, 2017, 05:58:06 PM
Anyone have any updates on next squad? If it is due to start in Jan they should me making job offers soon... think they notified people about 5 weeks out from start date for the 3rd squad.

Also heard the rumor they are planning a fifth squad now too.

Good luck to all still in the running.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: beater on December 08, 2017, 01:53:05 PM
Couple lads from Army confirmed 5 squads from this application process. 5th starts around May
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: frobo on January 03, 2018, 07:09:38 AM
Hi guys, received an invite to contest for PAT1 sometime in December. ?!?  I’m aware on another guy who also received. Am a little surprised as was advised after Pysch test that I was suitable, but others had been listed as more suitable (in not so many words)


Hey mate, how'd the run go? Did you get an interview or haven't you heard yet?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: CFS_fire32 on April 16, 2018, 10:13:15 PM
Any updates on current recruitment? 4th squad in progress, sounds like 5th squad to follow starting in May. Will there be a 6th squad from current recruitment or just the 5 to finish this one off before it all starts again?

Have heard from multiple sources that next intake will open later this year, but not sure exactly when...
Title: Re: Recruitment 2016
Post by: WannaBFirey on April 21, 2018, 11:19:32 AM
Hi guys, anyone in the potential squad for May? Have you heard anything? If you’d rather PM feel free to do so  :-)