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General Discussion => SAMFS => Topic started by: rescue5271 on June 12, 2008, 07:45:56 PM
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19:05:22 12-06-08 NTPA: Meeting tonight regarding Nuri CFS. All members required to attend. Regional commander will be addressing members on important issues affecting Nuri Brigade. Nuri Captain. 12/06/2008 7:04:18 PM CFS Nuriootpa Info
MMMM, anyone know anything???
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19:05:22 12-06-08 NTPA: Meeting tonight regarding Nuri CFS. All members required to attend. Regional commander will be addressing members on important issues affecting Nuri Brigade. Nuri Captain. 12/06/2008 7:04:18 PM CFS Nuriootpa Info
MMMM, anyone know anything???
Ah yeah it is along those lines, talk is they are going to scrap the two retained stations up there, down size Nuri to rural and build a fulltime Mets station there. This is all just talk at the moment but the talk came from a Nuri member.
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interesting, scrap tanunda mfs and which other? the next closest is kapunda which is a fair distance from nuri?
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Well we will just have to wait and see but from what I have seen CFS a doing a good job and is their really a need for a full time paid service when the crews there have it all covered...
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Well we will just have to wait and see but from what I have seen CFS a doing a good job and is their really a need for a full time paid service when the crews there have it all covered...
Ahhh but isnt it a community risk assessment with the bottle plant, wineries, large housing development, etc, etc.
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Well we will just have to wait and see but from what I have seen CFS a doing a good job and is their really a need for a full time paid service when the crews there have it all covered...
If the CFS Brigade there cannot guarantee a 24/7 fully manned response, then they don't "Have it all covered" and there is a need for a paid fulltime service.
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Well we will just have to wait and see but from what I have seen CFS a doing a good job and is their really a need for a full time paid service when the crews there have it all covered...
If the CFS Brigade there cannot guarantee a 24/7 fully manned response, then they don't "Have it all covered" and there is a need for a paid fulltime service.
I know what your saying numbers but if you used that line for all brigades MFS would be in every single CFS station.
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Very true Cammo, Vollie CFS stations Can not guarantee a response 24/7 by definition.
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Pt Augusta, Whyalla, Pt Lincoln, Roxby Downs etc all have much more risk and population than Nuriootpa. So i would be very suprised if MFS suddennly set up shop there.
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Pt Augusta, Whyalla, Pt Lincoln, Roxby Downs etc all have much more risk and population than Nuriootpa. So i would be very suprised if MFS suddennly set up shop there.
Or even the Mount to go totally full time before that happened?
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Yes but the majority of the high risks in roxby are covered by private fire service so really that brigade only covers the town and backs up the mine crews?
Jasec might be able to prove me wrong however :-)
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I would think Nuri is one of the strongest CFS brigades out there, perhaps if CFS provided them the equipment to cover the area it would be fine. Maybe, just maybe its not going to be a fulltime station, maybe its going to be a retained station because MFS can provide the appropiate equipment, and don't tell me a type 2 and an URP is proper equipment. They did say no additional retained stations would be established, they didn't say anything about doing swaps? It would have to be the worlds most boring fulltime station, might scrape 150 cals a year together, no thanks.
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Yes but the majority of the high risks in roxby are covered by private fire service so really that brigade only covers the town and backs up the mine crews?
Jasec might be able to prove me wrong however :-)
Yeah there are a few huge risks on site but there protected with that much detection / suppression gear its not funny. We dont have anything out of the ordinary (risk wise) in the township its self not compared to what Nuri has lying around there area and we have work to back up the CFS if needed.
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Well I guess we should wait and see the out come of the meeting and I am sure it wont take long for the information to get on this site,Now here would be a good area to but in paid staff during the day and volunteers all under the one roof like the CFA have in a number of country stations. There could be one full time day crew made up of 4/5 staff and volunteers,but hey this is SA and the union would not like that.... May be MFS should be looking at the new risk's going in around MURRAY BRIDGE with all that housing going in and in other area's where country MFS station's are located.
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Paid and volunteers in the same station?
Not in our lifetime I think Bill
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Mt Barker will go retained/pay day crew before Nuri… Look at the risks around barker plus the new developments atm.
-1.3m Barker Plaza development, -$1.2m extension to the Mt Barker shopping centre, -$15m Big W/Target complex, -Bunning’s warehouse. -New Bluestone residential development - 835 houses. Barker is one of the nation’s fastest growing inland towns.
Barker will do about 400 calls this financial year…
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There are a number of towns with significant infrastructure which has led to an increase in SFC's for some brigades, and hopefully CFS is addressing those areas for the brigades concerned.
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Well I guess we should wait and see the out come of the meeting and I am sure it wont take long for the information to get on this site,Now here would be a good area to but in paid staff during the day and volunteers all under the one roof like the CFA have in a number of country stations. There could be one full time day crew made up of 4/5 staff and volunteers,but hey this is SA and the union would not like that.... May be MFS should be looking at the new risk's going in around MURRAY BRIDGE with all that housing going in and in other area's where country MFS station's are located.
The June version of SAFECOM's COMMent newletter has this detailed on page 3, titled 'Corporate Governance'.
Interesting that a recent SAFECOM Board meeting was held in the Barossa & that UFU/MFS have begun the next round of Enterprise bargaining.
The COMMent magazine was emailed on 12th June & all volunteers should be receiving it via your organisations chain of command. Let me know if you need a copy emailed.
But I understand the Act makes it clear it is up to the community what resources they want...
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Well we will just have to wait and see but from what I have seen CFS a doing a good job and is their really a need for a full time paid service when the crews there have it all covered...
If the CFS Brigade there cannot guarantee a 24/7 fully manned response, then they don't "Have it all covered" and there is a need for a paid fulltime service.
I know what your saying numbers but if you used that line for all brigades MFS would be in every single CFS station.
And there is an issue with that how? Isn't that the ideal? I know that I want my family to be protected no matter what time of day or day of the year. I'm not having a go at the vollies, just saying that you would have to be mentally deficient to say that of the two types of service to be protecting you and your family you would willingly choose a volunteer one. This is ofcourse the ideal for built up areas as it no doubt stupid to suggest that there are 10/14 stations covering every house in the state.
Perhaps I'll ammend that from "Paid full time service" to a "Professional Service" So that it includes both 10/14 and special roster stations.
Once again, please don't get me wrong and think that I am attacking volunteer fire services, I am merely stating a case against those who think that their CFS brigade is the be all and end all of fire protection for their community, and fail to see the benefits of a SAMFS service.
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Hoorah finally some one that is willing to look at the reality. There are numerous stations CFS and SAMFS (prob drag SES in to this too) that need looking at and if the Cheifs and the SAFCOM board acctually sat down and looked at risks in the said communities and surrounding areas then we could prob change the names of certain stations and the colour of the trucks to better suit the community. Because at the end of the day it really doesn't matter who put sthe fire out/drags the dead people out of the cars/rescues the cat from the tree, etc etc as long as it gets done!!!
Time to put pride asise and look at whats best
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So has there been a problem or issue that the brigade can not get out the door?? Is the community happy with the fire and rescue service that is provided by the cfs in that area?? I dont see a need to put in a 24/7 as someone else said MT GAMBIER needs to go 24/7 first but from what a memberr said to me from that service it will not happen as MFS dont have enough members. Lets just make it clear that if the MFS do and I say DO take over what will be the effects to the other CFS brigade's in the group who are hazmat/RCR will they still be providing that service for which they have done for a number of years and don the job very well.
On another note the last time I looked THE busy CFS brigade's do a hell of alot of training and upskills unlike some MFS stations.....
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Well we will just have to wait and see but from what I have seen CFS a doing a good job and is their really a need for a full time paid service when the crews there have it all covered...
If the CFS Brigade there cannot guarantee a 24/7 fully manned response, then they don't "Have it all covered" and there is a need for a paid fulltime service.
I know what your saying numbers but if you used that line for all brigades MFS would be in every single CFS station.
And there is an issue with that how? Isn't that the ideal? I know that I want my family to be protected no matter what time of day or day of the year. I'm not having a go at the vollies, just saying that you would have to be mentally deficient to say that of the two types of service to be protecting you and your family you would willingly choose a volunteer one. This is ofcourse the ideal for built up areas as it no doubt stupid to suggest that there are 10/14 stations covering every house in the state.
Perhaps I'll ammend that from "Paid full time service" to a "Professional Service" So that it includes both 10/14 and special roster stations.
Once again, please don't get me wrong and think that I am attacking volunteer fire services, I am merely stating a case against those who think that their CFS brigade is the be all and end all of fire protection for their community, and fail to see the benefits of a SAMFS service.
Sorry you misinterpreted what i meant. Would be great to have MFS in every station providing 24/7 coverage but be realistic its not financially viable to the state. I have no problems with MFS and think they do a great job, same with the majority of the CFS stations in this state.
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Retained is not the solution. Accros the state MFS struggle to get applinances out of the door with retained crews, just as CFS, SES and SAAS do with Volunteer crews.
The issue is not the members - it's the employment situation and people needing to make money to live, which unfortunately effects the services all three ESOs deliver to their communities.
Like it or not, regardles of the service or provision, the only way anyone can ensure a response is to pay people - meaning they are sitting there waiting.
Maybe it's time that the government stopped making surpluses and looked at paid fire fighters and paid rescuers and paid medico's in more areas of the state - even if it's only to cover the day time shortage.
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Maybe it's time that the government stopped making surpluses and looked at paid fire fighters and paid rescuers and paid medico's in more areas of the state - even if it's only to cover the day time shortage.
They could potentially put the volunteer/retained ff's through the employment process and sustain the current skill/experience of the area?
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Maybe it's time that the government stopped making surpluses and looked at paid fire fighters and paid rescuers and paid medico's in more areas of the state - even if it's only to cover the day time shortage.
They could potentially put the volunteer/retained ff's through the employment process and sustain the current skill/experience of the area?
HAHAHAHA.....nice one
SAAS can't even staff the cars it has now..let alone putting paidies into rural and remote locations!
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lol i know....when a City Car is coming up to the hills AND BEYOND....thats when ya know we're gonna be doing a filtered lot of First Aid....maybe time for SAAS to lower its standard of employment by a small fraction...its better than first Aid lasting a hour or two!
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Hi all,
I dont know the full details about whats going on in reference to Nuri CFS but I will say that YES, Nuri CFS group is fairly strong with members, they respond to call outs very quickly and promptly and the Hazmat facility is called upon to go to other areas because Hazmat facilities are few and far between in the country. Nuri CFS are also strong contenders and winners at cfs competitions.
Anyway, thats only my view
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Can't see mfs going into Nuri Not when CFS has 3 trucks with no manning probs, Angaston has 2 trucks 10 secs up the road and tanunda has 2 trucks and mets 10 secs down the road.
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Can't see mfs going into Nuri Not when CFS has 3 trucks with no manning probs, Angaston has 2 trucks 10 secs up the road and tanunda has 2 trucks and mets 10 secs down the road.
Im led to believe its not the response that is the problem, its the fact that CFS wont supply the appropriate appliances for the risk area.
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Talk about getting a MFS up there, i think they should worry about Gawler first.
Gawler have 1 appliance and if you've seen Gawler lately with all the housing developments aswell as commercial buildings (E.g coles,target,Big W,Woolworths), it's hard to see why it's a 1 appliance station especially with elizabeth being 15 minutes away, which is way above the average callout time.
Also, why let this happen when you have glynde and glen osmond on the same road and beulah park 5 minutes from glynde. 3 stations within 10 minutes of each other??? Also, Roseworthy is still too far out for a quick response.
I've never seen a station have so many coq's!
HINT???!!
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lol i know....when a City Car is coming up to the hills AND BEYOND....thats when ya know we're gonna be doing a filtered lot of First Aid....maybe time for SAAS to lower its standard of employment by a small fraction...its better than first Aid lasting a hour or two!
SAAS dropping it's standard? - are you talking about vol's or paid?....if you're talking paid...there's no other way to get into a profession like paramedic without a degree...............
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Also, why let this happen when you have Glynde and Glen Osmond on the same road
Err I dont think so Glen Osmond is on Portrush Rd and Glynde is on Glybnurn Rd,Glynde
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Can't see mfs going into Nuri Not when CFS has 3 trucks with no manning probs, Angaston has 2 trucks 10 secs up the road and tanunda has 2 trucks and mets 10 secs down the road.
Im led to believe its not the response that is the problem, its the fact that CFS wont supply the appropriate appliances for the risk area.
then its time CFS played a trick theyve never done before > Supply the appropriate appliance for the risk and responses! :D
Quote from: Zippy on July 20, 2008, 12:26:10 AM
lol i know....when a City Car is coming up to the hills AND BEYOND....thats when ya know we're gonna be doing a filtered lot of First Aid....maybe time for SAAS to lower its standard of employment by a small fraction...its better than first Aid lasting a hour or two!
SAAS dropping it's standard? - are you talking about vol's or paid?....if you're talking paid...there's no other way to get into a profession like paramedic without a degree...............
Dang man i cant even remember writing that post :P
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then its time CFS played a trick theyve never done before > Supply the appropriate appliance for the risk and responses! :D
That would then bring us back to the aerial appliances in CFS thread. :-D
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A Step Forward ;)
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Sorry, getting mixed up with angle park and oakden on same road! :wink:
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Talk about getting a MFS up there, i think they should worry about Gawler first.
Gawler have 1 appliance and if you've seen Gawler lately with all the housing developments aswell as commercial buildings (E.g coles,target,Big W,Woolworths), it's hard to see why it's a 1 appliance station especially with elizabeth being 15 minutes away, which is way above the average callout time.
Also, why let this happen when you have glynde and glen osmond on the same road and beulah park 5 minutes from glynde. 3 stations within 10 minutes of each other??? Also, Roseworthy is still too far out for a quick response.
I've never seen a station have so many coq's!
HINT???!!
Gawler is becoming a 2 appliance station in the next 2 years Roseworthy Responds to most calls with gawler because all the houseing devlopments are Roseworthys area or in a dual response area i think roseworthy might have to upgrade into a type 2 pumper station with the new developments with the factories and housing being built its only a matter of time that the brigade will be one busy station CFS should really look at that
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...its only a matter of time that the brigade will be one busy station CFS should really look at that
Since when have the CFS cared about call rates and risks? Just ask Morphette Vale.
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Gawler is becoming a 2 appliance station in the next 2 years Roseworthy Responds to most calls with gawler because all the houseing devlopments are Roseworthys area or in a dual response area i think roseworthy might have to upgrade into a type 2 pumper station with the new developments with the factories and housing being built its only a matter of time that the brigade will be one busy station CFS should really look at that
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Mate i think Roseworthy should try for a skyjet or something like Burnside's new pumper or maybe just push to take Burnside's pumper seeing they don't need it according to other posts. :wink:
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Riiiight, Gawler becoming a 2 pump station, haha
Roseworthy don't respond to Gawlers calls, its the other way around.
By the way, Camden Park are getting a Tiller, and Wallaroo are getting a Bronto coz there are some tall buildings coming.
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if the wind changes you will stay like that