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General Discussion => Country Fire Service => Topic started by: Firefrog on June 25, 2006, 08:59:12 PM
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It has recently come to our attention that CFS corporate has refused a request for a brigade to use the cfs star on station clothing. We don't have all the details but understand the brigades request was disallowed without discussion or any type of consultation.
Of course this policy has been discussed before and there are varying views. We find the decision by CFS corporate to be a very strange one.
In these days of low morale and rapid change, volunteers are under increasing pressure, we see the issue of identity and belonging to be a significant issue.
Although safirefighter.com for the most part tries to be impartial in most debates this one has raised our ire. It is our view that volunteers should have the right to serve under the insignia that the volunteer determines to be the right one. If a brigade chooses the historical insignia of the CFS then that should be allowed without question!
Do you feel consulted? We wonder if CFS have bothered to listen to the undercurrent of ill content surrounding the introduction of the corporate logo. Although the logo has been around for a few years now, many brigades have successfully purchased clothing with the star. It is now apparent that many suppliers have been warned by CFS corporate that reproducing the star is a breach of copyright.
If you feel strongly about this issue please comment here and make your selection in the poll above.
We think it is time that CFS corporate listens to the volunteer not simply dictate another inane policy to the people who make the service possible.
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Yes without restrictions.
Allow the star on all clothing. I got a "fire and rescue" shirt and a star would look a lot better and on all gear. What was the reason it was removed and replaced?
The star is the symbol for firefighters, st andrews cross and being firefighters we hsould ahve it on all gear.
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As per SOP I will not follow rules that endanger my safety or the safety of others. Not being able to wear the star endangers my safety... Hence why all my gear and other clothing has the star... Including my trusty Cairns Structural helmet..
And I know people from HQ read this... So how bout you scrap the stupid rule about not being able to use the traditional logo and we wouldn't have this problem of dis-obeying rules...
In all seriousness... The historic / traditional emblem.. that being the star.. means alot to some people... Why deprive the VOLUNTEERS who give their time to the communities and risk their lives for free, the right to wear the emblem that they respect and Cherish !
:roll:
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The CFS and MFB if I recall correctly, both went with a new corporate insignia at around the same time.
I understand not too many MFB boys were overly happy about their traditional insignia shown on all appliances being replaced with the new "corporate" emblem.
Must admit, didn't here too many CFS members getting annoyed about their new "corporate" logo, but I would be annoyed if our service tryed to change our traditional insignia.
Can anyone remember what each point of the star (or cross) of St. John means?
I think it was perseverance,tact,loyalty,dexterity,gallantry,sympathy,explicitness,observation.
Let me know if I'm wrong!!
Regards, Mat
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Its the emblem we are proud of....
A matter which has been discussed many times before.
definately YES.... Im hesitant to say without restriction though. Dont see any issues with asking for approval first.... Keeps everything looking proffesional (hopefully) and weeds out the ideas that are just plain wrong.
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I think that if the restrictions were outlined and adhered to, the more we use it the greater our profile and identity.
We do seem to be losing some identity and definitely an issue like this can dent morale...it's very disappointing to hear that it was without discussion or consultation.
I think that the star is far more professional looking than the taxi logo...
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Unfortunately the restrictions include the colour of the clothing and who you can buy it from. Brigades cannot go to a local supplier!
Part of this issue is freedom for brigades to choose a blue t-shirt if that's what they want. I am not suggesting a complete free for all, but we suggest a compromise that goes something like:
A brigade may purchase station wear from any supplier that falls within the following guidelines:
Either a Blue or Green Polo style top or T-shirt with either the CFS star or the CFS corporate logo. A brigade should aim for a consistent look and avoid a mix of insignia/logo within the brigade.
Of course that is a simplistic view but the current policy is too restrictive.
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Unfortunately the restrictions include the colour of the clothing and who you can buy it from. Brigades cannot go to a local supplier!
Part of this issue is freedom for brigades to choose a blue t-shirt if that's what they want. I am not suggesting a complete free for all, but we suggest a compromise that goes something like:
A brigade may purchase station wear from any supplier that falls within the following guidelines:
Either a Blue or Green Polo style top or T-shirt with either the CFS star or the CFS corporate logo. A brigade should aim for a consistent look and avoid a mix of insignia/logo within the brigade.
Of course that is a simplistic view but the current policy is too restrictive.
That sounds fair..... maybe to add something about the multitude of printing that happens on the back of them as well???
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Couldn't agree more Frog and mike !!
Oh, and how bout supporting LOCAL business instead of going interstate for the 'Official' CFS shop !!
That would be a start!
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There should be guidelines for all "station wear" but first there needs to a aggreement as to what the differences are between station wear and casual/recreation wear.
heres what i think.
Station wear is the prescribed uniform for use at training and prolonged incidents, Public relation etc. this usually means short sleeves t shirts and long sleeved workshirts along with windsheaters. (either blue or green)
Casual recreation wear is the polo shirts, polar fleece tops, aussie firefighter tops etc. bascially everything that isnt station wear.
i believe that the star should be allowed to be used on station wear only. as for the amount of different prints on the back of "station wear" there should be some something standard.
theres the typical
FIRE FIRE sa country
& FIRE
RESCUE service
but what would people think of having a print on the back identifying the brigade and there specialties
For Example:
F I R E
RESCUE
HAZMAT
for someone like burnside but if the brigade was just normal it would plainly be fire or if they were and rcr brigade fire and rescue...
My opinion only... (apologies for the dodgy diagram things lol)
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I agree with anything that creates uniformity...we can't even agree as to whether it should be blue or green..
over here we are big fans of green only..blue is for MFS as far as we are concerned..
I think if they said right...here's what you can have..have as much of as you like...with the star etc...and after that, it can't have the star...probably exactly what is happening now.. :|
I look at MFS and see how much better they look because they have such strict guidelines with what they wear...we just look like a bunch of misfits sometimes with a conglomerate of clothing...they have been talking about a deployment uniform since we went to Sydney in 2001..still nothing!
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Firefrog, am I to understand from what you said that they have banned blue shirts as well as the star??
I believe the CFS should have a standard uniform, but that should be in consultation with the volunteers... My brigade has had the star logo on blue shirts since we first started getting them - its a bit rude to demand we change, without sound reason...
Seniorfirey70, see this article on the CFS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_Fire_Service#The_CFS_Logos) for the star's meaning.
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My Understanding is that green is the only approved colour and for use with the logo.
I haven't read the policy but have it reliably that any request to use the star is being declined.
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That makes me angry :(
Is it illegal to use the CFS star without the permission of CFS corporate? I mean - is it a breach of copyright, or as volunteers, do we also own the copyright to the star?
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Yes - Suppliers have been warned not to duplicate it....
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Something to do with the star containing the crown aswell....???
either way...our brigade chose blue + star a long time ago.... and recently voted to retain that standard (hmmm... where to from here)
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F*** them ! They want to make poxy rules about the star, they CLEARLY haven't got their priorities right !1
How about they focus there "time and efforts" on getting brigades stations that they can "SAFELY" turn up to and walk into when on firecalls.. Not having to keep the truck parked out the front of someones house, or walk 10 metres out the back to the toilet..
How bout they get ALL of us equipement and standardised PPE to make our duties safer..
How about they devise better training strategies where courses aren't dumped at the last minute and where we can have as many operators trained that want to do the course and not limited cause we have 10 already trained on the books... 8 of which dont turnout...
How about they give us trucks that dont fall to bits / have 100 million problems when they are still new...
How about they give us trucks which will effectively do the jobs in which they may be required !
Instead there time, effort and money is spent giving an INTERSTATE company , the official rights to a "CFS SHOP", and bring in stupid rules saying we can't get the star printed on shirts..
Well...... while I continue to risk my life and serve the community without pay, and with little thanks, I will wear the star, and I will wear it with pride !
End rant/
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I agree with you srikeathird,why is it that one region has one rule and one region has a different rule,come on wake up dont they think people will check what is going on around the place..... So how long has the star been around and in use by the fire service and not only in this state.....
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Well said Strika, unfortunately the CFS hierachy has lost touch with the volunteers in many many ways. This issue is just one of many where they clearly do not understand what the vollies want, no wonder our operational firefighter numbers are now down to 6000 (thats not a typo).
The sooner some of these people actually start working for the Volunteers and not against them the sooner our numbers may actually increase.
If you guys want the star on a blue shirt with pink dots and orange stripes then just go out and get them. Our brigade bought blue shirts and took them to a screen printer, he printed what ever we wanted on them. You can also find many embroiderers that will also put the star on whatever you want, just make a couple of calls - it wont take you long.
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^^if i were that screen printer then i would be fairly nervous, since he/she would have breached copyright...
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I don't see any reason to clamp down how we can use our emblem. The appalling taxi logo is fine for CFS corporate, but for us on the ground, the star looks far, far better. I still don't see anything wrong with a shirt:
Front: Back:
(Star) FIRE
[Brigade] Fire&Rescue &
RESCUE
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It's intersting you raise the point about staff. We understand there a less restrictions on the use of the star by staff than by volunteers. Isn't much of the staff uniform supplied with the star...can anyone confirm or deny...
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Perhaps this topic could be raised at the Summit on the weekend..if anyone is going...should be the ideal time to discuss it. :-D
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F*** them ! They want to make poxy rules about the star, they CLEARLY haven't got their priorities right !1
How about they focus there "time and efforts" on getting brigades stations that they can "SAFELY" turn up to and walk into when on firecalls.. Not having to keep the truck parked out the front of someones house, or walk 10 metres out the back to the toilet..
How bout they get ALL of us equipement and standardised PPE to make our duties safer..
How about they devise better training strategies where courses aren't dumped at the last minute and where we can have as many operators trained that want to do the course and not limited cause we have 10 already trained on the books... 8 of which dont turnout...
How about they give us trucks that dont fall to bits / have 100 million problems when they are still new...
How about they give us trucks which will effectively do the jobs in which they may be required !
Instead there time, effort and money is spent giving an INTERSTATE company , the official rights to a "CFS SHOP", and bring in stupid rules saying we can't get the star printed on shirts..
Well...... while I continue to risk my life and serve the community without pay, and with little thanks, I will wear the star, and I will wear it with pride !
End rant/
I agree striker its just ridiculous how the traditional CFS star isnt allowed to be printed on t-shirts my 2 CFS t-shirts i brought from Lucindale Field Days only have the new logo and not our traditional one
Its just ridiculous :x
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Yep,may be one of the paid staff that are going as a Volunteer can bring it up.... :x
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i personally don't mind the taxi logo, however i fail to see anything wrong with the star. shouldn't we go under the old saying "why fix something thats not broken?"
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have you had a look at the CFA logo??? many members raised the same issues when they went over to the corporate logo funny it also looks like a taxi logo...........
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IT IS OUR STAR AND THEIR CORPORATE LOGO WE DID NOT ASK FOR THE LOGO WE WERE TOLD (NO CONSULTATION).
WE WANT IT BACK AND STICK THE LOGO WHERE IT FITS ON STAFF CARS. GIVE IT TO THE GREEN PEOPLE!
THIS IS MY FIRST POST AFTER BEING A LONG TIME READER AND IT TOOK THIS TO MAKE ME DO IT. THIS IS HOW STRONGLY I FEEL.
MY BRIGADE PRINTS THEIR OWN T-SHIRTS WITH STAR TO SUIT OURSELVES!
I CAN UNDERSTAND HAVING A CONSISTANT COLOUR CODE BUT OTHER THAN THAT LEAVE US ALONE.
MAYBE OLD FARTS LIKE RC3 WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THE UNIFORM COMMITTEE AND THE LIKE HAVE LOST FOCUS WITH THE REAL WORLD AND WHAT PEOPLE WANT.
TO ALL LET US HAVE A SECOND VOTE TO RECLAIM THE STAR AND PUSH THE LOGO TO THE STAFFIES.
OVER TO YOU FOR YOUR SAY LETS KEEP TRADITION ALIVE. :-D
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Well said blackout :-)
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:xNot disagreeing that the star is far better than the taxi logo but we have had this arguement before, All of my t shirts bar the ones I have bought recently have the star. But the logo did go out for consultation but no one else entered the comp. so obviously with only one entry the winner was obvious. I disagree with the process and the money that has been spent rebadging uniforms, trucks and PPE, i was asked to put the corporate logo on my helmet and I refused and wear the star with pride. Each point of that star means something special and has for a long time. I "wink" "wink" "nudge" "nudge" am still getting the star stickers from a source. :evil:
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I "wink" "wink" "nudge" "nudge" am still getting the star stickers from a source. :evil:
you mean you WERE! not any more, no no time recently at all! :wink: :-D
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Don't know what you mean firetruck I can still get them if I want them :-P
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Yep " let you fingers do the walking"
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rescue5271 try and get them to change your avatars, to meet company policy
a million ways to get the star
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Blackout: IT IS OUR STAR AND THEIR CORPORATE LOGO WE DID NOT ASK FOR THE LOGO WE WERE TOLD (NO CONSULTATION).
This is not true their was consultation and their was time for volunteers to design the new corporate LOGO. As the LOGO we have now was the only put forward and was created by a volunteer, what else did you want them to do. I remember the consultation period was almost 8 months if I remember correctly.
I have thoughts about the Logo, but overtime I have had to get use to it like everyone else. The Logo is not changing, the only time it will change is when amalgamation occurs.
Your thoughts are valid and you can see that you are proud in what you do when you work with the star, but you are still doing the same job with the logo.
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I can ganuntee our group didnt hear about any consultation period.
Besides...
If you only get 1 entry for a competition about changing a logo.... then that might be a good indicator about that people dont want it changed perhaps!
Reserve my other opinions for the moment....
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In the early days of the logo - We had an assurance the logo was for use only on letter heads and the like. Then some time goes by and an instruction comes out to replace the star on all appliances.
Some more time goes by and now by stealth the star is in danger of being pushed aside. Technically a brigade cannot use the star on station/casual clothes, websites, etc.. etc...Infact I am not supposed to have the star shown on this site.
This is important to those volunteers who value the star & it's history and meaning. Volunteering is more than just doing the work, it's more about belonging and community and friendship.
If the star helps with that, why would the service try to get rid of it??????
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bring it up with the VFBA and see what they have to say.
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No offence to anybody but do we really need another working party headed by the VFBA, Maybe it would be better to start a petition on here and I am sure someone will make the Chief Officer aware of it. I really think that it coming from the members and not the VFBA would be a better way...
Saying that though I think the CFS has already made up its mind on this issue
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Why was the star not allowed?
(thats not worded too well but you know what I mean)
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Sounds good to me,anyway does anyone ever do anything on those working partys????
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The taxi logo was created to make the CFS look more like a fire service.
How does the "taxi logo" make us look more like a fire service when the star is an international fire service symbol?
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I think you'll find that most fire departments out there around the world use either the star or a coat of arms. Nothing as crap and simple looking as the taxi logo.
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Ive only been in CFS since October and prefer the star even though Im a "new generation"
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i am not saying that everyone new will like it, but i am saying as time goes on people will just accept that the star is the historical one. and sorry guys, i dont think it will change back, but maybe in a few years you can get another new one. i am open to that if peoples opinions change about it. but at least it is moe intresting than the CFA
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Manuel, try and tell me and the 276 other members on here what the taxi logo means to you and then we will tell you what the star means to us...
Have any brigades adopted there own "Brigade" arms. My brigade has and it has meaning, something for us too be proud of and too represent. we wont obviously put it on trucks or duty tee shirts but alot of brigade casual wear has our arms on it.
PS. The MFB dont exactly appreciate there corporate logo
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I know the star stands for more to people, and it still can. the taxi means the same to me as the M for maccers, but I just have an opinion that the star should be kept as something special from the past. I know i will not change anyones mind about it because it is a very personal issue. All I have to say to those still liking it, it will not change so more on and remember the good times from the past.
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This debate should not become about which logo is better to the individual, it should be about the choice of the people who provide the service using the insignia/logo they deem to be right.
This is not about the logo it's about a lack of consultation and the attitude of corporate towards volunteers. If they employ you they can tell you what to wear. When you volunteer for your community you should be entitled to atleast have your case heard.
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good point, I am unsure of how it came around (taxi logo), and i think i will back out of this debate because i am largly outnumbered, but the CFS is not really a democracy there is a chain of command, and we get orders.
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The Taxi logo was adopted after a competition. Rumour has it that there was a single entry.
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I have been asked to enter this forum and let you guys know the facts about why this topic has risen its head again after some time.
Basically, brigades over the years have been able to promote them selves within the community and often showed "their" colours by wearing similar clothing representing both the service and more importantly promoting "their" brigade. They did this by purchasing brigade T shirts. Most brigades chose to wear blue t shirts with the star on the chest and their brigade name emroidered below the star. The shirts looked smart and represented the brigades appropriately, they also carried the name south australia country fire service around the collar.
The logo was introduced in 1999 after a short competition as the service thought we needed a corporate logo. At that time the then chief officer stated that the introduction of the corporate logo into brigades will be at the discretion of brigades and no brigade will be compelled to adopt the logo. The logo was designed by Aldgate member Gary Macrae. (Volunteer 87 feb 1999)
The fire service star is a version of the legendary Maltese Cross which dates back to the crusades and is warn by emergency services across the world. The Maltese Cross is a symbol of protection - a badge of honour. Its story is hundreds of years old, and goes like this:-
"When a courageous band of Crusaders known as the Knights of St John fought the Saracens for possession of the holy land, they encoutered a new weapon unknown to European warriors. It was a simple but horrible device. It wwrought excruciating pain and agonising death upon brave fighters of the Cross. The saracens' weapon was fire. As the crusdaers advanced on the walls of the city they were struck by glass bombs containing naptha. When they became saturated with the highly flammable liquid, the Saracens hurled a flamming tree in their midst. Hundreds of knights were burned alive. Others risked their lives to save their brothers in arms from dying a painful, fiery death. Thus these men became the first fire fighters, and the first of a long list of courageous firefighters. Their heroic efforts were recognised by fellow Crusdaers who awarded each hero a badge of honour - a cross similar to the one fire fighters wear today. Since the Knights of St John lived for close to four centuries on a little island in the Mediterranean Sea named Malta, the cross became known as the Maltese Cross.
The Maltese Cross is OUR symbol of protection. It means that WE who wear this cross are willing to lay down OUR lives for it, just as the Crusaders sacrificed their lives for their fellow men so many years ago.
The Maltese Cross is a fire fighters badge of honour, signifying that they work with courage and honour close to death. As Jesus carried the cross, so shall we carry the cross of protection. This cross will be carried with honour and courage until the day we answer our last call.
The eight points of the star - tenets - are said to represent gallantry, loyalty, dexterity, perseverance, observation, explicitness, sympathy and tact."
Mr Fred Kerr - Former Director of the EFS / CFS and founding editor of the Volunteer states.
The Fire Services Star was adopted by the EFS in 1965/66. Later on, the SA Fire Brigade (MFS) followed suit and the star became their emblem as well."
So - all my friends, their is a little more to this story than meets the un-educated eye. The star represents us and what we do within our communities. It can be emotional. And I for one would be dissapointed if it did not. It is what makes us who we are and identifies us as just that - an organisation - far greater that just the CFS in Adelaide we are part of a family of men and women all over the world who train dilligently, drive towards the fire when the rest of our communities are driving away.
I would suggest that the main reason that this topic has remained dorment for so long is that most people are still wearing the old bluey with the badge on the chest. It is only now when they are looking to replace their T shirts that they are finding that they cant buy the same style, colour, star.
This topic will remain alive for as long as their is resitance to fire fighters not having access to what they are entitled to.
Happy to discuss more if required.
Greg
TTG Capt.
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Yes, I believe that we can get it back. The reason we are fighting for access to the star is for you and others like you who are relatively new to the organisation.
The fire service star represents our heritage. If we do not fight for it, you and your fellow firefighters will blame us for letting it go. In years to come when the "logo" is worn by every man and his dog in society (it is unrestricted use, available from the CFS shop for any member of the community to purchase upon garments, caps, mugs etc) You will post a message on a forum like this and ask, why didn't any one fight for it.
Well we are. Support us supporting you.
At the recent volunteer forum I raised the question along with some of the others present and the facilitator called for a quick head count for those that preferred the star to the logo. about 140 members present. 99% raised their hand.
The matter is being looked at whilst we talk. A response from the Chief Officer will be forthcoming.
I guess the main reason that it has gone on for so long is that when the logo was brought in, it was accompanied by promises that we would always have access to the star, it would be up to each brigade etc etc. Deep down we knew that there was method in their madness and it is only now that we are starting to see it.
You are right we do still have limited access IE on uniforms etc. Be warned if the star does not return to the volunteer this time round we will eventually loose total access to it. It will be available to staff and corporate members only which in itself invokes a sense of us and them, division etc.
Discuss this with your fellow members, involve the older members and be one of the members who will be remembered for fighting for the star - and winning.
Regards
Greg
One thing that has always bothered me about these forums is the fact that you never know who you are talking with, they are always full of alias people. I am not sure how healthy that is. If you are going to say something that you can't put your hand up and say "I said that" may be you shouldn't say it.
Greg
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For a young firie, like yourself, that has not had a whole lot of exposure to the star, its understandable that you see the taxi logo as new and relevent and the star as being historical. Im guesing you're from Littehampton, where all your appliances have the new logo on it. Down the freeway a bit further, we try to insulate ourselfs from silly decisions a bit more :P, even though we may be next to the brigade from which the new logo came. Any how, all of our applinces, bar the Pumper have the star on them. The station has the star on it, the letterheads have the star on them. I think the only things that have the new logo on them are the Sign out the front, the pumper, as well as anything that comes from region.
What I'm trying to say is that if the taxi logo is the only thing youve really known, then of course its going to mean more to you than a star you hardly see. For others, it can be the complete opposite.
Simple solution. Allow brigades to use both.
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Yep i agree with you there, let people use what they want. :-D
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Has anyone contacted region or headquarters to get a statement about this?
Also on a side note, in the wikipedia CFS article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_Fire_Service) someone has disputed that the Start logo is based on the maltese cross, saying:
The badge depicted here is not one based on the US style 'maltese' cross fire badges. In fact you will find the badge represents an historical link to the South Australian Metropolitan Fire Brigade badge. This was heavily influenced by the cap stars of the British (and Australian) military. The star is a stylised version of the Star of the order of the Garter. An award of the British sovereign. I doubt very much that the founders of the CFS/EFS would have viewed the American fire department badges. It is more than likely they adopted the virtues espoused for the points of the cross in an effort to add a degree of virtue to the badge. Ozdaren 16:48, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
The description of the star now reads:
The star in the CFS logo/ cap badge is a stylised version of the Star of the Order of the Garter. An award of the British sovereign. The star is used on cap badges of the British and Australian military and other organisations with a connection to the Crown (Government). The SAMFS uses a similar star on their badge.
Another more fanciful interpretation of the cap star is that the badge originated from the Maltese cross, the emblem of the knights of Malta, and was used by the Knights of Saint John in Jerusalem, during the crusades. It is said that the cross of Saint John came to represent fire fighting, after soldiers who risked there lives to save others from burning oil, were given the cross of Saint John as a badge of honour. This seems to have come from US Fire departments who have adopted a very stylised cross quite unlike the Maltese cross worn by the Knights of Saint John.
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Great Post's There Greg. Very Informative.
I Have To Say I Like Both Logos, However I Feel We Should Have Access To Both Depending On What We The Vollies Want.
I Like The Star For Its History, However Also Like The CFS Logo (Taxi) Cause Times Are Changing And It Shows That The CFS Is Open To Change. Look At What The CFS Used To Attend, Now Look At The Type Of Iccidents We Get Called To. My Vote Free Access To Both Logos.
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We don't have to change our logo to show that we are open to change... I'm sure the checkered reflective striping looks just as good with the old logo, and yet it makes the appliances look more modern...
It would be interesting to do a survey of the public to find out how many of them actually noticed we changed in the first place ;)
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I hate the filtered thing and the more people complaining the better,but im still just as passionate for the Fire Service.
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of interest
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The logo was introduced in 1999 after a short competition as the service thought we needed a corporate logo. At that time the then chief officer stated that the introduction of the corporate logo into brigades will be at the discretion of brigades and no brigade will be compelled to adopt the logo. The logo was designed by Aldgate member Gary Macrae. (Volunteer 87 feb 1999)
I am coming into this discussion abit late...but you are correct Greg..although there is a little bit more to the story...
The CFS conducted some market research, to see if the public recognised the CFS star. Many of them didn't, so it was decided to change the logo!
There was a competition held, and invited anyone to submit an idea for a new logo. As I understand it, the "winning" entry was submitted by Gary Macrae. But, that design was then taken to a design company, and they did up the current "taxi logo", based loosely on the "winning" design.
I recall at the time, it was said that the taxi logo was to be used on pretty much everything (much to the disgust of many members). Over time, the CFS star is appearing on more things, and still, it would seem the bulk of the members still prefer the Star to the taxi logo.....
Be nice to phase out the taxi logo all together, and bring back the star! :-)
Pip
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i agree with what someone else said. Use the star with the red and yellow checkers. Then we have a good mix of tradition and future
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i agree with what someone else said. Use the star with the red and yellow checkers. Then we have a good mix of tradition and future
I was told all fire services should be using a red/white check, I think I might have seen it in an AFAC standard somewhere.... but I cant remember....
Personally think red/white looks better anyway.
The idea has some potential firetruck, but the question is, would it be worth having 2 logo's so similar? Do you think the taxi logo would look slightly more proffesional with white instead of yellow?
Think Ill post this in a new thread as well so this one doesnt get dragged to far off track....
http://www.safirefighter.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=53&topic=699.0
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i agree with what someone else said. Use the star with the red and yellow checkers. Then we have a good mix of tradition and future
I think that would be quite ugly, but what i want to know is could we have a new competition on a new logo, which included the star logo as a option, and let the volunteers vote? I wonder what would happen then?
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If people are so pasionate - maybe it's time to get off your bum, put pen to paper and write to the Chief officer - Euan Ferguson and let him know your thoughts, either individually or collectively!
Good to see Greg promoting his view and having the guts to stand up for it and address his opinion with the CO - maybe others who feel so strongly about it should do the same!
After all - who's service is this (I don't need an answer here, i know) but I do think that if you feel strongly enough about it, then do something about it - don't just winge!
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I believe one of the issues that came up at the volunteers summit was that the vols prefer the old logo, and Euan was made well aware of this... it will be interesting to see what he says about the subject when he answers the recommendations....
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Be nice to phase out the taxi logo all together, and bring back the star! :-)
Pip
Amen ! ! ! ! ! ! !.............
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Ever since I joined the service when it was still EFS the star was our emblem.
Long live the star!!
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Any new news on this argument? Has anyone actually been knocked back when requesting permission to use the star?
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Yes Briagdes have been knocked back, can't share just yet but have heard some rumours..... :wink:
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Yes Briagdes have been knocked back, can't share just yet but have heard some rumours..... :wink:
what about now?
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Petition time!
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PF,get one going send it to all group bases and have people at the comps fill it in and on the day hand it to the main man..... as that would be the best place to hand it over too him...
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nah IM not really into that kind of thing and IM not going to the comp or field day this year, Bathurst 1000 is on that same day! :-o
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nah IM not really into that kind of thing and IM not going to the comp or field day this year, Bathurst 1000 is on that same day! :-o
comps on bathurst wekend? jeez it'll be quiet down at goolwa.I was gonna go but now.... haha no way!
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it is possible that CFS will reverse this decision...we have heard that no official policy is in writing and brigades are not breaching any rule if they use the star.
This is still to be confirmed so don't act on it but it does come from a reliable and suitably elevated position in the food chain.
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nah IM not really into that kind of thing and IM not going to the comp or field day this year, Bathurst 1000 is on that same day! :-o
Since when did they change the date for Bathurst? I thought Bathurst was 8th October.......
Region 2 Field Day clashes with Bathurst, but the comps don't!!
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I was going to the field day but not anymore!
Werent field day and CFS comps on same day or did they change it.