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General Discussion => SAAS => Topic started by: Mike on March 17, 2006, 07:03:12 AM
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I remember there being a discussion about SAAS location codes. Was browsing the Pager site this morning and found a few messages with a little info for us. Im sure the list is not limited to these.... will see if I can find any more (confimed) codes and add.
American River - AV Ardrossan - AR Balaklava - BL Booleroo Centre - BC Bordertown - BO Burra - BU
Ceduna - CD Clare - CA Cleve - CL Coffin Bay - CF Coober Pedy - CB Coomandook - CK
Coonalpyn - CN Cowell - CW Crystal Brook - CR Cummins - CU Elliston - EL Eudunda - ED
Gladstone - GL Goolwa - GO Gosse - GS Hamley bridge - HB Hawker - HA Jamestown - JA
Kadina - KA Kapunda - KP Karoonda - KR Keith - KE Kimba - KI Kingscote - KS Kingston - KG
Lameroo - LA Leigh Creek - LC Lock - LK Lucindale - LU Maitland - MI Mallala - MA Mannum - MM
Marla - ML Meadows - MW Meningie - ME Minlaton - MN Moonta - MO Morgan - MR Mt Pleasant - MP
Nangwarry - NG Orroroo - OR Padthaway - PD Penneshaw - PE Penola - PN Peterborough - PB
Pinnaroo - PI Port MacDonnell - PM Pt Broughton - PO Pt Wakefield - PW Quorn - QU Riverton - RI
Robe - RB Roxby Downs - RD Snowtow - SW Strathalbyn - ST Streaky Bay - SB Swan Reach - SR
Tailem Bend - TM Tintinara - TN Tumby Bay - T Wallaroo - WL Warooka - WO Woomera - WM
Wudinna - WU Yalata - YT Yankalilla - Y Yorketown - YO Yunta - YU
Cheers
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MT - Mitcham
N - Noarlunga
PP - Pt Pirie
SA - Salisbury
OH - O'Halloran Hill
MB - Mt Barker
MG - Mt Gambier
cant think of any more codes off the top of my head...
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AL - Aldinga
BE - Berri
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sorry posting them randomly as i think of them...
a few Ps...
PG - Pt Augusta
PL - Pt Lincoln
P - Prospect
PA - Pt Adelaide
M - Marion
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LX Loxton
WK Waikerie
RN Renmark
BA Barmera
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F- is for Fulham i think
And one of the P's is for playford.
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none of those Ps are playford.
S - Stirling
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easy codes to remember. i think easier than our 8842, 8462 etc. more of us though.
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mmm initials would be easier than numbers, but im not sure if the MFS dispatch system could take it?? plus its prob just easier to assign a station a number than try to work out initials for diff stations with similar... aahhh,,, letters.
im not sure if this has been covered but was speaking to my brother the other day (paramedic) and he explained some of the codes to me..
take for instance;
PP81 - Pt Pirie; starting 0800; bus 1
PP84 - Pt Pirie; starting 0800; bus 4
PP181 - Pt Pirie; starting 1800; bus 1
SA108 - Salisbury; starting 1000; transfer car
apparently some of the 7s8s9s will do transfer runs... max of a cat. 3
if anyone else has conflicting info or more info then feel free... this is just what i remember from our convo.
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Very close to my understanding.... the last digit relates to the job types
Last number identifier and Crew type
No number Emergency
1 Emergency
2 Emergency
3 Emergency
4 Emergency
5 Student Paramedic crew (one senior paramedic student, one junior student)
6 Second Medical Transport Service crew from a station (one paramedic, one ATS officer)
7 Medical Transport Service (one paramedic, one ATS officer)
8 Ambulance Transport Service (Shift starting on the hour)
9 Ambulance Transport Service (Shift starting on the half hour)
40 Sporting standbys / Level 4 volunteer crews that cannot transport patients
88 Volunteer on call crew
( Thanks to Mattb's website :D )
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^^ Yep.. thats correct.
Thanx for the insight in the starting time codes Medevac.. Didn't know that bit :-)
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yeah, my uncles a volly with strath ambos. he explained the catergory thing to me one night. At strath he does heaps of transfers just from like local hospitals to RAH and so on.
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Good work on that list, maybe once it is complete we could compile it into a text file, I would be happy to have it available on my website.
If you haven't found it already have a look at http://users.chariot.net.au/~mattb/scan/scanner.htm and click on the SA Ambulance link for more info on SAAS Communications.
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easy codes to remember. i think easier than our 8842, 8462 etc. more of us though.
I didnt know Aldgate had a tanker? :P
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hahaha. i didn't either. the things you learn ay? :lol:
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hmmm saw a "cat7" the other day... any ideas? typo?
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Hi All,
Just my thoughts and ideas...
81 Paramedic 0800 - 1800
84 Paramedic 0800 - 1800 Intensive care (some places)
181 Paramedic 1800 - 0800
188 Paramedic 1800 - 0800 We have paid oncall staff here, so it is not volley. If a volley crew is on call they will become just (town181...) Or if they are single crew it will be (town40)...
The numbers have nothing to do with the fleet (vehicle) that is used on the shift. It changes in some locations, especially the city regually. When you see the page go out to the district manager? of country crewing status the L4 means it is a single person, and full is obviously full crew. I have quite a few codes to add as well.
I hope this boring post entertained someone!
Sam
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i'm sure it did sam.(yawns) :-P
i think cat 7 might have been a typo, if not it simply means that it is a transport job, they're basically just ferrying patients from one hospital to the other. The amount of trips my uncle does from strath or victor hospital to town is crazy, it can be up to 2-3 a shift.
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Hey Probie, is it correct that Strath now have some paid crews ??
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i'm not sure. I think that they share some crew sometimes with Mt Barker. There's always a couple of paid people there that do instructing and so on. I'll have to ask my uncle next time i see him.
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Also another code to add to your list is - PM400 Community Responder from Port McDonnell
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hey matt would you ever consider changing your online scanner into text format? Could it be done easily enough?
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Hadn't ever considered it, sounds like a bit of work. Why would you want it to be text ???
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coz my crappy computers slow and streaming never works!
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F76 Cat7 Noarlunga Ambulance Station 26 Flaxmill Rd, Morphett Vale 186 F5
hmmm another one, anyone know if SAAS have changed there category system??
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hmmm im gonna presume they are now using these cat7's as change of quarters instead of cat 5s like they used too...
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meh, not my service!
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It could be carrying a Deceased person or stop for lunch along the way and take the scenic route?
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Gday,
I saw a pager message the other day saying we are not using the old cat 1 anymore. It is now called "STAR" or something... This would most likely explain it i think.
Sam
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I am waiting on a SAAS info pack to come in my mail box as im seriously considering joining the ambos so i can add another certificate to my resume as well as keep busy during the winter when there isnt any fire calls happening
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yeah, well we've all gotta find a way to pass those lonely days in kalangadoo don't we robert?? :wink: (this, by the way, is a joke)
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Isnt being in SAAS a fulltime job like the MFS or SAPOL, rather than just something to do int he winter?
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Actually PF Its a volunteer job like i am doing now so i'd be rostered on when a volunteer SAAS crew is needed for Penola... also if i obtain Cert 4 in Emergency Care i'll be able to get a job as an industrial site first response medical personnel
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Is that the thing that was on the news a few weeks ago, volunteer paramedics?
Thats cool, I thought about joining full-time SAAS maybe if I dont get into MFS or SAPOL. Is it hard to get into like the MFS?
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Well joining as a volunteer paramedic might later on get you a full time job PF although most of the fulltime IC paramedics are career SAAS personnel meaning that they went to uni and got diploma or bachelor degrees in Emergency Intensive Care
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fulltime para's are harder to get into P F, purely because you've pretty well got to be a full on nurse to do it. several years of med school ahoy.
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not necessarily
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oh god, i can't be right with anything today! alright, listen to someone else, i give up :cry:.
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To be a paramedic you can do the uni course but then theres no garuntee of work.... but if you get into SAAS to become one then they put you through uni and pay you for it, i don't believe there's any physical based assement but the exam to get into it is A LOT harder than MFS.
Your best bet is become a volunteer Ambulance Officer which requires that you be under a certain Body Mass Index and go through an interview withe the station you wish to join. After that you under take the course which is run by the vollie stations, as well as the theory a certain amount of hours must be done on the truck as a third/observer before you can pass.
Once a vollie you can apply for paid AO positions or ATS work.
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there may be other ways as well but here are the two main ones;
1) uni - go through the uni course (health sciences for ambulance studies) this is three years fulltime and your NOT garanteed a job.
2)diploma (like an apprenticeship) - apply for the diploma when they offer it (im not sure if they still are or if it is finished), if you are accepted you are then 'trained as you go' to a degree... you are given three months or so in a 'boot camp' then assigned to a station and put on the road, you then alternate between several months on the road and in the school room. you graduate as a paramedic, without the uni quals... worth noting that to become an ICP you will (may) then have to go to uni and do the course...
being a vollie will assist you in getting in, due to the work experience it provides, but it is in no way sure thing... also, getting into ambos is a damn site harder than MFS not necessarily on the fitness side of things, but in the maths/science/english/aptitude tests.
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yeah, well i think thats what my uncle was considering doing a while back, not sure now though
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My main aim is to get into MFS mainly or SAPOL. Might join SAPOL then try for MFS, or whatever recruit course comes first when I leave school and get all the requirements. SAPOL loks good for MFS.
Dont want to do 9-5 office job, if none of these work, go diesel mechanic and get to play with big trucks. Im living a 5 year olds dream, IM a big boy! :-P
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can you wipe your own a**? hahaha :wink:
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1925612 13:02:43 06-04-06 F89 Cat6 Adelaide Radiotherapy Ctr 352 South Tce, Adelaide 3 H16
Cat 6?
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Cat 6 i believe is the lowest priority transfer, looking at that page probably soeone being picked up from there and being taken back to N/Home, Hospital, or Private Residence etc etc...
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Roger ta.
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cat6 = ransfer no treatment required.
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Did you find out what the Cat 7 response was ?
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nah... havent seen it in agess either...
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When ever SAAS is called to my parents house for an emergency which is normally my dad falling over the wrong way accidentally resulting in his hip popping out the responding ambulance crew uses cat 3 which is a not serious situation but requires active treatment
I know this cause many times i've had to help the crews with carrying equipment to where ever my dad has fallen down as well as guide them into the driveway
There only has been one situation where he popped his hip out while checking a water pump power circut in a spud paddock of course i didnt know that this happened until it came over the scanner :-) :-(
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MV171 Cat2 Mclaren Vale Motel . Main Rd, Mclaren Vale 207 B12
Looks like the new SAAS station at Mclaren Vale is up and running, that should take a bit of the pressure off down south.
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MV171 Cat2 Mclaren Vale Motel . Main Rd, Mclaren Vale 207 B12
Looks like the new SAAS station at Mclaren Vale is up and running, that should take a bit of the pressure off down south.
Thats correct as of 1 week ago
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Cat7 is used as an administration code to record the movement of a Crew to a location. Eg Its used for a crew to goto Fulham (Fleet Services) to pick up a new fleet, call into HQ to see someone/interview or to return to a hospital to finish paperwork off from a previous case. Sometimes they will resume quickly so they can pick up another Cat1 or Cat2 job because no one else is going to be available.
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PF=Playford
Does anyone know what MH is?
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Category
Assessment
Lights & Sirens used
1
Failed primary assessment, life threatening, two ambulances automatically dispatched
Yes
2
Failed secondary assessment, possibly life threatening
Yes
3
Active treatment required, not life threatening
No
4
Patient transfer, treatment required, patient stable
No
5
Patient transfer, observation required
No
6
Patient transfer, no active treatment required
No
Hope this helps
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PF=Playford
Does anyone know what MH is?
MH is the mental health team...usually work from 5pm onwards, and I think are psych nurses, rather than ambos.....
Pip
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7of7:Strathalbyn:- Level 4; Tailem Bend:- No crew.
1908782 08:32:32 20-07-07 6of7:school holidays so page to find anyone avialable; Penneshaw:- No crew; Penola:- No crew; Pinnaroo:- Local only; Pt MacDonnell:- no crew; Robe:- No crew;
1908782 08:32:27 20-07-07 5of7:4 with trainee; Meningie:- Level 4 with trainee till 12.00 then full crew; Nangwarry:- Full crew till 12.00 then level 4; Padthaway:- No roster while
1908782 08:32:21 20-07-07 4of7:18.00 and are local only; Lameroo:- No roster; Mannum:- No crew till 12.00 then full crew local only; Meadows:- Full crew till 12.00 (Dr on) then level
1908782 08:32:15 20-07-07 3of7:level 4 till 16.00 then no crew; Karoonda;- No crew; Kingston:- Level 4 till 10.00 then full crew till 12.00 then level 4 till 14.00 then full crew till
1908782 08:32:10 20-07-07 2of7:morning; Renmark on Passive till 09.00; Moderate wokload in hills murray today; CREWING=> American River:- Level 4 till 10.00 then no crew; Gosse:-
1908782 08:32:06 20-07-07 1of7:Good Morning from Region South:- Team Leader is Rob Willoughby; Region are Ross; Damien and Eddie; Barmera finally ended 10 hour break at 07.35 this
like this messag regarding SAAS crewing Meadows and the surrounding districts is in good hands.
my opinion only.
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MH crews are Mental Health staff used to do Section 23 transfers so they are not tying up an ICP crew.Prior to this if a transfer was required and the patient threatened self harm it was dispatched as a Cat 2,which was an abuse of the system so that is why it changed to the MH crews. :wink:
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Just to note that under S23 of the MHA Paramedics don't have the right to detain, SAPOL would have to be onscene.
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Believe that changed & paramedics can detain...although if they have a violent patient, (or a patient with previous history of violence, they call SAPol...
Pip
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They can't detail under S23, a patient can refuse medical transport/treatment and the Paramedic is powerless.. - It would be illegal for them to force medical treatment on them (& detain them), basically assault.
It is my understanding that only SAPOL can detain someone under S23 and would then have to accompany the crews to the hospital. .. - However, if this policy has changed in the last couple weeks, I haven't heard, and will definately find out.
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They can't detail under S23, a patient can refuse medical transport/treatment and the Paramedic is powerless.. - It would be illegal for them to force medical treatment on them (& detain them), basically assault.
It is my understanding that only SAPOL can detain someone under S23 and would then have to accompany the crews to the hospital. .. - However, if this policy has changed in the last couple weeks, I haven't heard, and will definately find out.
This type of incident occurred in the outer southern suburbs recently that my wife attended to support a friend (she is a Family Support worker).
Ambulance had to wait for SAPOL before they could enter the house due to the lady refusing to open the door. When the patient became a risk of self harm, ambulance officer (unknown if MHS or other) was considering entering the property before SAPOL arrived. But this was not needed.
SAPOL gave authorisation for the detainment at this incident.
The experience left an appreciation for majority of the crews that assisted.
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After further consultation today, I would suggest that only police can detain under S23 of the MHA.
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police do section 23 but any medical practitioner can over rule that decision. but if a doctor detains the patient under section 41 they are then refered to the phsycologist
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Referring to on the street here though mate, SAPOL v Paramedics at a scene etc. - In which instance (unless there is a doctor or it is at a practice etc), Paramedics cant detain under the act.
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There are several different things that have been brough up here, and it would appear all lumped together as being the same thing, but are actually quite different & distinct powers.
When we talk about "detain" - there are perhaps two meanings in the context of Mental Health. One is to physically detain / hold onto a person. The other is to form an opinion that a person has a mental illness, or is a danger to themselves or others, and to "detain them" - (physically or otherwise) and get them to medical assistance.
Under the Mental Health Act, 2003, Section 23
(1) Where a member of the police force has reasonable cause to believe—
(a) that a person has a mental illness; and
(b) that the conduct of that person is or has recently been such as to cause danger to himself or herself or to others,
the member of the police force may apprehend that person, using only such force as is reasonably necessary for the purpose, and take him or her as soon as practicable to a medical practitioner for examination
So Police can form the opinion that a person is at risk, as above, and make them go to medical help (by force or otherwise).
Under this section, ambos can't form that opinion, but if someone else does (eg Police, or medical practitioner), then ambos can use force - if they do, it is not considered assault.
In practice, they don't use force, they get Police to do it for them :wink:
(6) An ambulance officer—
(a) may, if summoned by a person exercising powers under this section in relation to a particular person, convey that person to such place as the person exercising the powers specifies; and
(b) may use such force as is reasonably necessary for the purpose.
And (8) A member of the police force and an ambulance officer may assist each other in the exercise of powers under this section
So each can assist the other - so an ambo can assist a police officer is holding a patient down, whilst getting them to hospital
As for waiting outside a house for police to come, as the patient wouldn't let the nurse / Doctor / ambo in, that is another power under the Act - still under Section 23
(5) A member of the police force may, in exercising powers under this section, break into any premises, using only such force as is reasonably necessary for the purpose
Although, anyone has Common Law right to break into a premises, to protect life & property....but in the cases of Mental Health issues, it will be the police who do the job....
I hope that clears up the issue of detaining mental health patients.....
Pip
(Who gets to deal with them almost every working day)
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Thanks Pip, that was the information I had also. - An ambo couldn't actually just detain someone one (remove their freedom - so to speak), unless someone had been 23'd by SAPOL.. - So really it is SAPOL who are enforcing the act, and SAAS who are transporting them due to the possible risk of self harm or what ever else, under the act.. (On SAPOL's behalf)..
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saas have changed a heap of things now they have phsyc transfer teams SAPOL no longer help us with people that have been detained under s23 or s41
cat 7 is vicheal movement usualy to fullum for fleet change
the STAR system has been used to make it easy for call takers to give an ambulance a catagory from 1 to 7
there are no volunteer paramedics in SA and will be like that for a long time yet all volunteers are ambulance officers Cert 4 BEC
a L4 call sign is (town)400 so if i was a L4 i would be Kapunda400
volunteers are oncall cars using town 81 between 8 and 1800 and are town 181 between 1800 and 800 on call paramedics in counrty areas are town 188 and respond from home to a meeting point near the call one will have the ambulance the other will have a car both with kits etc in them the car non strecher though
a 40 is a sporting standby
81= first car from sation emerg
82= second car from sation emerg
if there is anything else i can help with let me know il try and help cheers
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saas have changed a heap of things now they have phsyc transfer teams SAPOL no longer help us with people that have been detained under s23 or s41
The Psych Transport Team has implemented a few changes, however it doesnt stop Police sectioning someone under the act.
Just changes it down the track once they are in hospital etc. - Freeing up Police resources for other duties, and keeping Paramedics/Ambulance officers safer as they no longer have to transport without the protection now involved in the Psych Team transfers.
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your not reading it all i said that the police dont help us transfer anymore never said they couldnt section them i have been on a job where some one was detained under the metal health act but if some one is detained we are ment to wait for psyc to get there and take over the job unless they have a medical emergency and need urgent medical aid
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I read it fine. :-)
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My mong alarm is starting to go off.... :|
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haha.. :lol:
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hmmm saw a "cat7" the other day... any ideas? typo?
Cat7 is a drive down to the depot (at fulham) or delivery of paperwork to headquarters.
Categories are given so that fleets can be tracked via case numbers. Case numbers cannot be generated unless a category is given.
Hope that makes some sense!
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but if some one is detained we are ment to wait for psyc to get there and take over the job unless they have a medical emergency and need urgent medical aid
the Psych truck (MH cars) are Mental Health Nurses who work closely with ACIS in order to take the workload off of SAAS crews in the Metro Area.(let's face it - most psych patients don't need to lie on a bed to be taken to hospital!!) ACIS also has a MH nurse in the comms room who will spend time talking to the psych patient on the phone rather than just routinely send an ambulance out and take the patient taken to hosp.
as for the newest addition to the mental health transfer - ATS staff are now providing the "escort" (including flying with the RFDS) because SAPOL simply don't have the staff to send an escort every time a patient has been detained. Only down side is that this person is not a paramedic - hence cannot sedate the patient if required - a paramedic is still needed in these instances.
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but if some one is detained we are ment to wait for psyc to get there and take over the job unless they have a medical emergency and need urgent medical aid
the Psych truck (MH cars) are Mental Health Nurses who work closely with ACIS in order to take the workload off of SAAS crews in the Metro Area.(let's face it - most psych patients don't need to lie on a bed to be taken to hospital!!) ACIS also has a MH nurse in the comms room who will spend time talking to the psych patient on the phone rather than just routinely send an ambulance out and take the patient taken to hosp.
as for the newest addition to the mental health transfer - ATS staff are now providing the "escort" (including flying with the RFDS) because SAPOL simply don't have the staff to send an escort every time a patient has been detained. Only down side is that this person is not a paramedic - hence cannot sedate the patient if required - a paramedic is still needed in these instances.
And the process is very drawn out and time consuming for country hospitals. Particularly when Police leave the Hospital and the nursing staff have to wait for the team to come down.
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I'm not disputing that one little bit!
The biggest problem with Health Care services in this state is that everything has been, or is in the process of being centralised! Having spent the majority of my life living in Rural SA, but now in metro - I can see the massive indiscrepancies between health care delivery. Sure - it may be more cost effective to follow the Europe/UK models of centralised services, but they seem to forget that out here in CONVICT LAND (sic) we can live up to 2000km from the nearest major hospital!
Ambo's are doing more and more miles on the open road, and the RFDS at the Adelaide Base don't tend to do much more than ferry people round the state, like an expensive flying taxi!
my rant over....wasn't this thread about SAAS station codes? :evil:
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Didn't know where else to put this comment but..... I saw one of the new ambulances today parked in Goolwa, I personally think they look great, didn't mind the green and the stripes on the back are very visible so overall i think it's an improvement on before. :-)
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Discussions about the new decorations were taking place here:
http://www.safirefighter.com/boards/index.php?topic=1460 (http://www.safirefighter.com/boards/index.php?topic=1460)
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Does anyone have a list of which country SAAS stations are paid or vols?
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BTW I have figured out that the ones that do a net call are paid staffers.
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Does anyone have a list of which country SAAS stations are paid or vols?
Uniden, have a look at this link http://www.saambulance.com.au/publicweb/pdf/SAAS Country Stations.pdf (http://www.saambulance.com.au/publicweb/pdf/SAAS Country Stations.pdf) from the SA Ambulance site. :-)
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Thanks for that. I obviously didnt look hard enough at the SAAS site.