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Quote from: Zippy on January 23, 2008, 08:37:20 AM

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Until they get canned at the last minute due to lack of numbers.

Thats what reserve lists are for!  every course should run without a hitch.

Yeah right we've got people on the reserve lists, the courses get canned without them ever getting asked!

due to lack of participants or instructors ?

lets all remember, ALL of the comcens can only ever respond brigades/units using the information from the public.... which is not always a reliable source

Quote from: mack on January 20, 2008, 06:00:32 AM

Quote from: SA Firey on January 16, 2008, 07:51:15 PM

RCR is not primary but they have the tools as does Sturt

as USAR equipment

Thats nice, but back to the original comment. It was my understanding that callsigns ending in 9, 19 and 029 were to designate RCR resources as listed in the RCR directory not USAR, Vertical, and other types of rescue???
24P

yes... very nice, and was not directed at you, but as an explanation to SAFirey.

I say use real people volunteering as victims wherever you can. Get them to 'play dead' or be unconscious if they are happy to do that. This makes it so much more real for rescues, and crews are forced to think about handling, keeping their airway open, and they bend like real humans do (lol....duh).

I find that crews get used to 'pulling out dummies' at training and they tend to forget about first aid after removal, cos it was only ever a dummy.

bit hard to practice CPR on a real person though...

Sturt Group
Belair 34P
Belair 14
Belair Tanker
Blackwood 24 Cafs
Blackwood Rescue
Eden Hills pumper
Eden Hills 24
Coromandel Valley 24
Coromandel Valley 24P
Cherry Gardens 34 COQ to Belair
Sturt Logistics
Sturt Car

Blackwood actually ran there 24 and the old sellicks 34 to the fire... rescue was in station.

Glad to see that Sturt Group left some appliances at home to cover their area.
Looks like the job went 4th alarm before it got out of Sturt Group.

Well actually Cherry 34 was COQ to belair for a while, Cherry 24 was in station and Blackwood rescue (doubles as a light pumper)was also, id say thats reasonable coverage..

It's a pity to see that yet again the media are reporting that the Aviation support (note: Support) won the day and that my god does SA need its own sky crane blah blah blah.

Agree 100% mate.

We need to have more media crews on the fire ground getting vision of us.

aah enter fire helmet cam, just need CFS/SAFECOM media to request the vision from firies to use... (yes i used it, yes got some good clips )

Quote from: mack on January 14, 2008, 06:06:18 AM

Quote from: SA Firey on January 13, 2008, 11:45:54 AM

Monitoring company's do ring the premises first which is our standard SOP and if no answer, next call is the brigade.

Not all the time they dont... i cant think of one company (which wont be named on here) that is notorious for just calling the fire service, without first trying to contact the residence.

I think you meant can think of one company mack.....and I have a fair idea of who you mean,we get calls to their jobs regularly,only to be told by the resident we rang the monitoring centre and told them it was a false alarm

ooops fat fingers...

thats exactly what i was meaning.

so vollunteers get paid $5 per case they attend... sorry not havign a crack (or questioning you smallflame), but that doesnt sound like reimbursement, that sounds like straight out pay??

seems odd...

Interesting, wonder if its the same job or just a bad case of timing as both rescue resources have been responded to both jobs, also interesting to see the SAAS pages.

i wondered that for a moment also, but the first one is a road north of clarendon, where as the second is the main drag, south of kangarilla... very differant locations. Pretty handy having Meadows on that dual response actually... got the appropriate resources going for both (just divert a rescue resource), otherwise ya would have only had Meadows on the road to begin with.

MFS: INC # 14 - 13/01/08 07:52,RESPOND Private Alarm,ALDINGA RD,ALDINGA, MAP 224 D 4 ,,10 EMERALD RD CROSS RD ALDINGA BEACH RD,ALDB19 MRPH00 CDN431*CFSRES:

aldinga, christies & morphett vale???

i dont understand why the age to volunteer with SAAS if higher then what it is for CFS or even SES.
does anyone know why?

there is no age limit, however there is a requirement for an un-restricted drivers liscence.

seriously mack - lets get it in perspective.  If I turned up to work with a camera attached to any part of my body, I'd be told to take it off.  If a SAMFS or SAPOL member turned up to work with a camera attached to any part of their body - they'd be told to take it off.

SAAS & SAPOL is a slightly differant situation in my opinion.... however i know of a couple of SAMFS empoloyees that do have these at work. And uses it for there own records of the incident.

the biggest issue surrounding this topic is not so much the issue of actually using a camera as opposed to who controls the recorded footage!  if the footage of CFS intellectual property and operations is taken whilst in the "employ" (SIC) of SACFS - does not the footage then belong to the CFS?

cant answer that one for you mate... but you only have to look at the "SACFS promotions unit" and the vol mag, to see them actively encouraging photography of incidents and training to be submitted... so i can only presume they back the concept.

but anyway we can both continue to have our own opinions on this, and lets "get it in perspective"... your looking at this from a SAAS point of view, where you are constantly in the face of casualties, up close and personal at every single incident... if you were recording this, or someone was standing there just recording you, then yes... id say there was a problem.

I think the discussion is probably dead, we can all bang on, on both sides of the fence on this one all day if we want too..

at the end of the day though, unless CFS put out information forbidding the use of cameras at incidents, im going to use it at fire incidents to get footage... for both our brigade records, and for use in training. and yes, ill use my own discretion as to when it is appropriate/innapropriate.


[my last input on the topic ]

However i remember watching a video abut emergency airpacs carried by US crews so that they culd keep supplying air to trapped crew while they are rescued as you wll always have the time limmit of air. should this equipment be brught into CFS?

sounds interesting... id never heard of that.
i guess if you got desperate and it was a case of waiting on a rescue being effected, then a hot change could be doen with cylinders anyway.