SA Firefighter

No Robert, I do understand - you used the MFB as example, proper help for them is minutes away not an hour plus.
1) as CFS does not cover the requirements of CERT, how would you have coped?
2)How long would you have worked on the guy? remember you don't have the machines.
3)What about his very angry mates?

Chook the MFB was an example of Firefighters with basic life support training can make a difference.(oxygen advance resus & AED) believe it or not some CFS stations can have a truck on scene within 7 seven minutes, even if its a quick attack (only need two ppl).
If you look at malleefire post,  he has got it spot on, "keep it simple" basic training to keep the patient alive until the SAAS resource arrives (oxygen advance resus & AED) its about getting some basic life saving medical care to a patient as early as possible.

and your "real incident" sounds like your patient was in trauma cardiac arrest and only about 3% of theses patient actually survive no matter what treatment you give or level of training. theses patient need to be in a operating theater.

again I question why CERT training for CFS vols??? how would this have helped in your incident? compared to Advance resus and AED training?

I believe CFS doing EMR would be very valuable to the community.  Its not hard to do basic life support, such as put oxygen on a patient, posture a patient, do CPR , put on an AED push analyse and follow the prompts etc.
Statistics have concluded that patients that have CPR initiated within seven minutes (Basic life support) and paramedic treatment (IV Drugs, advance Airway Management, cardiac ECGs etc) within ten minutes have a much lower mortality rates.
 As we know this is not new, the MFB have done EMR since 1998 and they have had some very good saves…..
At the end of the day the fire service is going to be responded if an ambulance is not available. (Just look at last week when a CFS brigade got responded to a cardiac case)
So why not have the extra bit of training and the equipment. (some CFS brigades already have this)
You are only talking a 4 hour advance resuscitation course, an extension of senior first aid…not a 12 month volunteer cert 4 courses or a 4 year paramedic uni degree….

Wow, big mess up in communications there somewhere then. That oughta clear it up no probs.

This is just typical of the CFS, lack of communication with the front line guys. funny we have the most WFAM/ fixed alarm in our area, and the CFS Comms/tecs Don't tell us anything. We have sent a please explain through the chain to Gary Bau...

Not having ago at anyone, just going on information we got told, we have never had to ring in before with WFAM Alarms???. 

Quote from: safireservice on December 05, 2008, 03:22:23 PM

Quote from: CFS_Firey on December 05, 2008, 02:15:40 PM

Quote from: Zippy on December 05, 2008, 08:14:01 AM

MFS: *CFSRES INC016 05/12/08 09:09,RESPOND Private Alarm,7 BRAUN DR,HAHNDORF MAP 159 K 9 TG128,DEFAULT MT BARKER & HAHNDORF,LTHT00 OAKB00

i think this could be classed as a 1 in 300 event? mt barker > default 

Probably more likely a mix up in communications...

HAHN MBKR RESPOND FIRE ALARM ST PAULS LUTHERAN, HOMES 7 BRAUN DRIVE, HAHNDORF *CFSRES:, FIP
ALARM *WFAM*, 05/12/2008 09:07:40

Maybe the didnt acknowledge the original page?

Yeh, whether they actually responded or not, im guessing they obviously didn't acknowledge there alarm call.


Must have been contagious yesterday;

MFS: *CFSRES INC030 05/12/08 14:27,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,53/57 MURRAY ST,NURIOOTPA MAP 0 0 0 TG095,KAPUNDA SES DEFAULT FOR NURI,CAR V MOTORBIKE,KAP029 NTPA19 CFS Angaston Group Officers Response

We were mobile when the page went out (Barker), was a stuff up with MFS Comms when Hahndorf requested a Default.
Funny we got a mouth fall from the staff wen we arrived, asking what took the fire service so long to respond, when the station is only 2min down the road. She apologised after we said we were from Mt Barker and explained that Hahndorf was unable to crew etc.

Rampart.... Tell your SAAS volley friend.... to take it up through the chain of command, VTL, RTL, Area manager etc. The last few jobs I have done with vols, they have all had there own gear.  This sounds like a local issue, not state wide..
If their is a real OHS risk file a report or call AIMs.... don't just post on here.....

 

Sam - talking about long distance transfers not short RFDS runs out to the airport.
Vollies have the option of being local only/ emergency only on their roster.

Mt Barker have been running a very simple turnout confirmation system, for a few years now and it works really well. We have found with a large town and the traffic, some of our members can take up to 6min just to get to the station.
   
All our members that live more then two minutes from the station are given a CB radio (little portable hand held- norm kept in their car)
We have a base CB radio in our station (next to our PPE).
The first officer at the station will do a general broadcast "who is mobile to the station" members just reply with e.g. "Andy 3min" “Bob 4min” "Greg 2min”

As an officer this is great as I know:
-How many more crew are coming and what skills they have e.g. (BA, RCR, Driver)
- Whether to get another brigade mobile, if we don't have enough crew coming
-Whether to leave a driver or an officer off the 1st truck to crew 2nd truck
- Whether to wait that extra min for that BA/RCR person WHO IS coming 
- Whether to load up the first truck with six crew or just send 4 or 5 and  keep members back to crew other trucks etc etc etc

We also keep track of our member's availability, with a list on a board in the station of work hours, extra commitments e.g. sports etc.  Anything out side of this our member's page out.

Could not agree more!

Quote from: jaff on August 15, 2008, 09:37:54 PM

One skill drill I would like to see everyone do as a requirement, like the burnover drill is, CPR.
As the average age of our firefighters increases and with no fitness tests/challenges in place, we are probably more likely to have a firey go down with a heart attack or something of that levity.
So I think every person that is on the fireground should be annualy drilled in CPR ,so hopefully we can at least we can keep that person alive until they are taken out for further attention.
This skill might also be used in the home to save the life of a loved one and the more we practice it, the more it becomes second nature.

Well we tried to get Oxy Viva for our appliances for that very reason, but Region says its A) not standard stowage and B)Cost of getting everyone accredited in Advance Resus is prohibitive.Whats your life worth very little in the eyes of CFS

Weird coz all members at Mt Barker have done Advance Resus training (with regions approval) & we have the gear on the the trucks plus a few extra bits.
I have used it many times at jobs, with a very positive pt outcome.