SA Firefighter
Special Interest Image Posting => Emergency Vehicles => Topic started by: SA Firey on August 04, 2008, 12:48:40 AM
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Ok fellas feast your eyes on this baby :-D
This is Version 4 and different to the ones that DEH have, and a nice Diesel V8 to.Built by Moore Engineering
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HOLY FILTERED!! So do ya stil have fight fire from the front??? looks really impressive.. any idea of value????
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It looks a bit long.
I reckon althouight it is a bit slow Piccadilly 14 is roughtly the design to build if they want small trucks with the full 1000L capacity.
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Mitsubishi Canter Cab's seems to achieve the "14" build better, except the rollover/burnover protection barrier is very high above the cab, creating a height hazard within particular stations and firegrounds with limited height access.
They only have 850L Tank's...if they forego the crew deck OR Half of it (Replicating a MFS ROSA)...i can see it becoming a full 1000L quick attack vehicle, that doesnt have serious Weight problems :D
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I reckon althouight it is a bit slow Piccadilly 14 is roughtly the design to build if they want small trucks with the full 1000L capacity.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Ahem.
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is it really 6WD or a lazy axle?
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I really think its a lazy axle for carrying the weight ;)...real 6x6 would be too expensive? :P
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I really think its a lazy axle for carrying the weight ;)...real 6x6 would be too expensive? :P
If its not a 6wd , then why is its designation a 16??? or was this a typo or a assumption on the photographers behalf, who invented liquid soap and why???
What are the answers to all these questions, stay tuned and were sure to find out! :-D
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I'm still waiting for a 6000L, 9wd vehicle...
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It is a six-wheel drive.
I did hear a rumour that although the design worked well on paper, in practice it is a right swine to drive or rather to turn! It just wants to do straight lines....... I was told that was why it was sitting at Moores for a couple of months on and off while they performed other tests etc.......
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I'm still waiting for a 6000L, 9wd vehicle...
But wait wouldnt that make it a ..... :-o
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:-o :oops:
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69!!!!!!!!! XD
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numbers i said roughly for a reason. by no means is our 14 perfect :-D
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numbers i said roughly for a reason. by no means is our 14 perfect :-D
I hardly think bolting a telephone box to a truck constitutes a good design ;)
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hahaha yeah but ignore the layout and the carsick inducing seats and look at the size and you will see what i mean. Considering the last batch of 14s were as high as a 24.
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hahaha yeah but ignore the layout and the carsick inducing seats and look at the size and you will see what i mean. Considering the last batch of 14s were as high as a 24.
Ok, ignoring everything but the fact that it is 4wd and has a water tank, I believe it is a very good design :)
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how about you come and have a look one day and we can bag the crap out of it together.
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CFA upper beaconsfield had two of these units after ASH WED 1983 and where in service up till a few years ago.Not a bad looking unit and one that will do well up in that Parkland near Pinnaroo..I hope the brigade as not lost any of their other apliances to make way for this new unit??
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Pinnaroo 16 is an addition to the brigade, not a replacement...
Pip
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Thanks for that pip,should fit in well up there...
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Least the CFS are trying new things SES wont get rural units 4wd trucks pinnaroo 16 looks good cant wait to see it in action
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I hardly think bolting a telephone box to a truck constitutes a good design ;)[/quote]
:-D :-D :-D That's right bittenyakka, didn't the BBC use your 14 for a prop when they made Dr Who? Now if your going to start comparing 14's you need to start with an even playing field, and we're part of the lucky minority that still drive the "Mighty Mazda". The rest can only dream of getting a "true" 14 (that realy does carry a 1000lt) into some of the areas we can. :lol:
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apparently the canter 14's can take 1000L with some simple mods, then all it needs is a turbo.
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Correction 029 SES won't be getting ANY trucks! Not this year anyway. However there are some 4x4 Isuzu's around within the system not exactly practical for RCR (manual handling issues).
The FleetSA supplied vehicles will be dual cab utes (waste of time except for carrying chainsaws).
All 6x6 vehicles of this type will tend to understeer in a corner (Landrover 6x6's were notorious).
Anyway hopefully the Pinnaroo 16 will do what they want (how did they justify an extra vehicle?) & I would have thought a proper rescue appliance would be a higher priority after seeing their 24 setup.
029 get used to the idea of not getting specialist vehicles suitable for task. The reasons are as follows 1) CFS has far more clout than SES 2) that is not the direction SES is heading :-(
Anyway keep the faith (someone has to :wink: )
cheers
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Yeah pity they want to mount the pump in he truck well no more cutting people out of cars on muddy roads and in paddocks
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Yeah pity they want to mount the pump in he truck well no more cutting people out of cars on muddy roads and in paddocks
huh?
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SES have decided that we should have truck mounted RCR pumps but only have 2wd trucks we are lucky that most roads around here hold up ok in the rain but some roads dont also country roads have paddocks along the sides cars tend to end up out in them if its wet and boggy we cant get out there in the truck.
we have a problem do we a) wait for a 4wd fire appliance with rescue gear on board to come and take over or b) undo the pump and walk in with the gear.
at the moment if its to wet to take the truck in we carry the gear
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apparently the canter 14's can take 1000L with some simple mods, then all it needs is a turbo.
Darcyq was talking about Piccadilly 14 ,Summertown 14 and Bridgewater 14, which are all really small and slow but get a whole 1000L into some nice places and have full crew.
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029 Not sure how your pump is setup, but it should be on a slide out tray & you should only have to disconnect the hydraulic hoses.
If SES goes with the Streamline couplings, it will be even easier(only 3 connections).
Plus if you are from Kapunda you do have a 4x4 F250 so you can always chuck the gear in that if you want to (just need spare hoses which you should have anyway).
Sadly we don't live in a perfect world & if the trucks were built specifically for RCR the front compartment would be deep enough to mount the pump with the hose reels bolted to the pump frame, but unfortunately they weren't so you will have to make do.
Anyway take it easy
cheers
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SES have decided that we should have truck mounted RCR pumps but only have 2wd trucks we are lucky that most roads around here hold up ok in the rain but some roads dont also country roads have paddocks along the sides cars tend to end up out in them if its wet and boggy we cant get out there in the truck.
A friendly suggestion 029 - try using some punctuation! Fullstops and commas in appropriate places wouldn't go astray mate. Your posts can be a bit of a challenge to read.
Do you get plenty of hose with the mounted pumps? I can see it being handy for most jobs (not having to lug the pump about), but a pain on the odd occasion.
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Not trying to get of track,Naracoorte rescue pump for its RCR gear is not mounted and has had to be removed a number of times so as to get closer to the job.The apliances is 2wd only does the job and if they need a 4wd they use a command car...
How many of these new 16 units will there be?? I did see two in the workshop of moore's sometime ago...
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chook we dont have and f250 that was taken away so that port pirie was able to use it for the boat. kinda point less when it had problems towing a float but anyway.
we dont have a 4wd that we can put gear in anymore all we have is the landcruiser wagon and we cant put pumps etc in the boot for OHS&W
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Fair point Bill. The fe couldn't tow the float? Well bugger me it must be heavy!
Sorry mate as I'm no longer in service, can't offer any other suggestions - maybe something like the Pinnaroo 16? I know our Rodeo fast response is little bit on the heavy side so a 6x6 would be ideal or a small 4x4 truck like the baby Isuzu (ROSA) but as I said we (SES)won't be getting anything new this year!
And all of the yelling in the world won't change that, so fraid you will just have to work around it.
cheers
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There were at least 2 of the 16 units built for DEH by Moores - Tulka 16 & Tod 16, both based around Pt Lincoln somewhere......
Not sure if there are any plans to build more for either DEH or CFS....
Pip
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apparently the canter 14's can take 1000L with some simple mods, then all it needs is a turbo.
Darcyq was talking about Piccadilly 14 ,Summertown 14 and Bridgewater 14, which are all really small and slow but get a whole 1000L into some nice places and have full crew.
yeah I know but I'm saying (as zippy mentioned back near the beginning) the canter style 14 can be a newer and much better (not perfect) appliance than those old ones.
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apparently the canter 14's can take 1000L with some simple mods, then all it needs is a turbo.
Darcyq was talking about Piccadilly 14 ,Summertown 14 and Bridgewater 14, which are all really small and slow but get a whole 1000L into some nice places and have full crew.
yeah I know but I'm saying (as zippy mentioned back near the beginning) the canter style 14 can be a newer and much better (not perfect) appliance than those old ones.
The Dual-Cab Canters would be much better if they followed suit with the MFS ROSA's ;) You could run it as a Road Crash Appliance well and truely.
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The Dual-Cab Canters would be much better if they followed suit with the MFS ROSA's ;) You could run it as a Road Crash Appliance well and truely.
If they are overweight just with the water and pump, how do you expect to fit RCR gear on one?
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Easy...Either strengthen the Chassis/axle/tray. Or get a overall stronger chassis that is similar.
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If it was only a Rescue appliancE (RCR), would it be over weight?
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The Dual-Cab Canters would be much better if they followed suit with the MFS ROSA's ;) You could run it as a Road Crash Appliance well and truely.
If they are overweight just with the water and pump, how do you expect to fit RCR gear on one?
overweight in what sense? They are overweight for a car licence (but who cares, make them LR) but not over the manufacturer's specs (so I've been told anyway).
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The Dual-Cab Canters would be much better if they followed suit with the MFS ROSA's ;) You could run it as a Road Crash Appliance well and truely.
If they are overweight just with the water and pump, how do you expect to fit RCR gear on one?
overweight in what sense? They are overweight for a car licence (but who cares, make them LR) but not over the manufacturer's specs (so I've been told anyway).
If that's they case, why do they have so little water? I thought the reason they only had 850 Litres, (or is it 750?), was because any more would put the truck overweight?
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If they are overweight just with the water and pump, how do you expect to fit RCR gear on one?
overweight in what sense? They are overweight for a car licence (but who cares, make them LR) but not over the manufacturer's specs (so I've been told anyway).
If that's they case, why do they have so little water? I thought the reason they only had 850 Litres, (or is it 750?), was because any more would put the truck overweight?
cos "they" (whoever that might be) decided to do that rather than replate it as LR
(disclaimer: this is as told to me by those that know more about trucks than me, and is in reference to our canter 14 at least).
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Sounds fair enough then! :)
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The Dual-Cab Canters would be much better if they followed suit with the MFS ROSA's ;) You could run it as a Road Crash Appliance well and truely.
What? And mount a pair of scissors as RCR gear? It would work if you stripped the 1000L tank and replaced it with stowage space, but no way in hell could you use current 14 as a proper Rescue appliance.
Back to the topic! I'm not 110% sold on the 16 idea. It seems a bit dicky to have dual rear axle on a truck that... short. No wonder it handles like a furniture van.
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The Dual-Cab Canters would be much better if they followed suit with the MFS ROSA's ;) You could run it as a Road Crash Appliance well and truely.
What? And mount a pair of scissors as RCR gear? It would work if you stripped the 1000L tank and replaced it with stowage space, but no way in filtered could you use current 14 as a proper Rescue appliance.
Tea Tree Gully 14 was a prime example of that, I believe they had weight issues combined with the RCR gear
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is it really 6WD or a lazy axle?
Yes it is 6WD :wink:
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the old TTG canter is still sitting up at Moore's was a good little truck and if weight was the issue they should have just removed the pump and water tank.....
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No need to remove the pump and tank, just leave the rescue gear off and it'll be fine. :wink:
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The 5.5T dual cab Canters are no big deal to get re-plated to 6.5T.
Belair 14 (ex Cherry Gdns 14) is one of these.
From (hazy) memory all they need is bigger brakes & an extra leaf in the rear
suspension.
A mob in Qld did the hard yards to set them up as 4WD tour buses.
cheers
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Pinnaroo 16 still sitting in the appliance graveyard at Angle Park, still waiting to be delivered :roll:
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Not for much longer!
Due to be delivered tomorrow (Friday 17th Oct) along with the 'new' Mallee Group BW17 (ex-Jervois BW17)......