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General Discussion => Country Fire Service => Topic started by: helpme on September 28, 2011, 11:11:26 PM
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Isn't it about time the CFS as an organisation looked at hand balling some of its area to the MFS?
Lets face it the majority of calls that an urban fringe brigade attends is with MFS anyway and end up arriving 5 - 10 - 15 Minutes after them to be told "Fires out go home" or called up on the radio and hear "Stop call not required" a total waist of valuable volunteers time.
On a lot of occasions MFS have come and gone when the CFS brigade arrives lights and sirens. How does this make us look to the public?
I mean no disrespect to those brigade members who put in the hard yards in fact i applaud you. However the government and the CFS are using you up.
Who really wants to chase red trucks around every call getting there second every time? Do nothing, go home then repeat the process sometimes 3, 4 or 5 times in a day. No thanks. This is a blatant disrespect to the volunteer.
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Probably the same brigades that do change of quarters!
Probably the same brigades that are appalled that MFS don't have VHF radios in their appliances!
Just saying is all :wink:
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its doosh brains like you ,that portray a negative image and attitude of cfs, brigades like dalkeith, salsbury, tea tree gully, burnside, athelstone, happy valley, morphett vale and seaford provide some of the best trained and well knowleged volly fire fighters in the state and you wanna get rid of?
what brigade are you from? be intresting to know.....
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I some what agree in part....This goes alot deeper than just this i tend to think it alllllll comes back to that almighty $$$$$$$. Should make interesting reading to see a wider response!
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And if CFS handed over response areas to MFS, shouldn't MFS hand over some of their area to CFS for the same reasons you give , helpme?
A boundary between MFS & CFS has to be somewhere - if you move it, could the same problem occur, no matter where the boundary is...?
Pip
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to true pip!!
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Why are people entertaining this troll?
:roll:
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Relax SACAD will fix it :roll:
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Yes Pip i would think that MFS could hand some retained MFS area back places such as Kapunda, Moonta, maybe Tanunda etc.
And yes there would still need to be a boundary between MFS CFS but it seems to be working well between concordia CFS Roseworty CFS gawler river CFS and Gawler MFS. This is yours and this is mine type set up.
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I think this guy is 100% accurate...it is a waste of time and money, its all serviced by MFS anyway
But no one has the balls to do anything so don't worry about it !
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Interesting first post, did someone say Troll...
Lets see what happens with SACAD when it kicks off, I've been told there is no more Mutual Aid, Enhanced Mutual Aid or Dual Response - it's just the closest truck going.
So in some single appliance responses there wont be a truck from each service going, just the closest regardless of who's area it is (I still don't believe that MFS will allow a CFS appliance that is closest to respond alone - but that is what I was told last week) apparently the boundaries are just 'administration' boundaries.
As for the larger busy brigades, you can't close them because in many cases they make up a fair chunk of the strike team responses for Groups and Regions, they are normally big brigades that can still function effectively with one truck away for long periods and plenty of crew to keep rotating through the deployments. Financially there is not a lot to save by not responding them locally if they are legitimately closer to an incident.
Plus, as stated these brigades also do a fair chunk of work for MFS, including Change of Quarters and responding on upgrades.
There may some merit in not responding to every bin fire or MVA spill, but ultimately you will always have these brigades so you might as well use them.
On a lot of occasions MFS have come and gone when the CFS brigade arrives lights and sirens.
If this is happening it's probably because the MFS appliance didn't come up on the CFS talkgroup and communicate a sitrep or stop message. Any OIC that continues Priority One after being asked to downgrade deserves a kick up the backside.
Who really wants to chase red trucks around every call getting there second every time? Do nothing, go home then repeat the process sometimes 3, 4 or 5 times in a day
Doesn't the same thing happen in some CFS Groups, except chasing Group Officers around all day ?
Anyway enough feeding of the Trolls.
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Funny........ :lol:
its doosh brains like you ,that portray a negative image and attitude of cfs, brigades like dalkeith, salsbury, tea tree gully, burnside, athelstone, happy valley, morphett vale and seaford provide some of the best trained and well knowleged volly fire fighters in the state and you wanna get rid of?
what brigade are you from? be intresting to know.....
Some of those COUNTRY Fire service stations are in METROPOLITAN suburbia.
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I will say you can't get rid of them all, but there certainly are some that if they weren't there no one would notice, they have ZERO impact on anything and ALWAYS unless they happen to be coming back from a previous call arrive SECOND.
I can count 4 or 5 station exchanges that could be done between the services and everyone would be better off.
But anyway, no point talking about it, none of the services will give an inch or have the balls to do it.
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Some CFS members/crews don't do themselves any favours either. I have had experiences with 5/8 of those mentioned ( I do know there are many more but we are talking urban fringe brigades) and when you get told .........
"We will only respond if it's a going job" - alarm in urban CFS area with crew upset because they have to keep leaving work for FA's all the time....
or " MFS - Do you want the details? CFS - Yeah, coz its in our area anyway!" - MVA in urban CFS area (otherside of defined CFS/MFS boundary road)
or "We havent got any BA qualified crew" at urban incident with CFS responded to upgraded alarm in MFS area ..........
Blah, Blah, Blah .................
But, there are also the good ones to that do have a better attitude and are willing to 'share' and accept that there is another fire service that responds quicker than them because they are employed to do so.
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Funny........ :lol:
its doosh brains like you ,that portray a negative image and attitude of cfs, brigades like dalkeith, salsbury, tea tree gully, burnside, athelstone, happy valley, morphett vale and seaford provide some of the best trained and well knowleged volly fire fighters in the state and you wanna get rid of?
what brigade are you from? be intresting to know.....
Some of those COUNTRY Fire service stations are in METROPOLITAN suburbia.
Not only in Metropolitan Area they are well into MFS gazetted area....and like has been mentioned I could think of nothing worse than turning out 500 times a year and getting 450 stop calls or arriving last and getting to wait in the truck whilst the CFS officer gets details for the primary report for an incident you did nothing at.
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see what happens when u feed them......unlike pandas, the fukkers multiply
The good news is that the MFS/UFU have priced themselves out of any further stations for a little while unless something dramatic happens (with the possible exception of an upgrade from a retained to career thats in the pipeline). One red truck with one crew wont take over ALL of the role on the Fringe that 2 CFS trucks currently can do, so any Red truck will be additional too what is in place.....no penny pincher will vote for that at a $1mil + cost
so....let the trolls wallow in their swill, and feel superior in their existence, they filtered well should get to jobs first and do the hard work....it is after all the ONLY thing they are paid to do
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Mr T why would you replace them, they are already in MFS area and MFS arrive to the CFS area first....
I pity the fool.....
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Yes Pip i would think that MFS could hand some retained MFS area back places such as Kapunda, Moonta, maybe Tanunda etc.
And yes there would still need to be a boundary between MFS CFS but it seems to be working well between concordia CFS Roseworty CFS gawler river CFS and Gawler MFS. This is yours and this is mine type set up.
So your saying Moonta should be covered by Kadina CFS??? There was a caravan fire in Moonta Bay on Tuesday night where if Moonta MFS was not there, there would have been 5 caravans burnt to the ground instead of only half of one. think it should stay the way it is and slightly adjust some boundries, better to have too many responding than not enough, even if some brigades are getting hundreds of stop calls a year.
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Yes Pip i would think that MFS could hand some retained MFS area back places such as Kapunda, Moonta, maybe Tanunda etc.
And yes there would still need to be a boundary between MFS CFS but it seems to be working well between concordia CFS Roseworty CFS gawler river CFS and Gawler MFS. This is yours and this is mine type set up.
So your saying Moonta should be covered by Kadina CFS??? There was a caravan fire in Moonta Bay on Tuesday night where if Moonta MFS was not there, there would have been 5 caravans burnt to the ground instead of only half of one. think it should stay the way it is and slightly adjust some boundries, better to have too many responding than not enough, even if some brigades are getting hundreds of stop calls a year.
Hmmmmm, according to http://www.fire-brigade.asn.au/Station_Display.asp?Service_Code=SAMFS&Station_Code=68 (http://www.fire-brigade.asn.au/Station_Display.asp?Service_Code=SAMFS&Station_Code=68)
72 responses for 2009/10, 54 for 2008/09, etc, etc
Good use of a pumper and grassfire 14 !!!!..
I admit, I am biased against MFS rural stations equipment when the resource could be used elsewhere in the state (eg pumper in another location).
** personal opinion only **
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Those pumpers are only stat wise as good as a 34P
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Tell me if this makes sense to anyone. Was told by an adelaide fire coms op that the south bound bound lane of pt. Wakefield rd is MFS area the north bound is Salisbury CFS. Not sutegood how true this is but MFS will go to any MVA from ST Kilda rd south regardless of if its north or south bound. Why not leave all urban responses to MFS and rural to CFS west of the rd.
Or is this comon sence. Once again were chasing red trucks. No need.
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Regarding moonta MFS wasn't picking on them specifically but if they only attend 50 - 70 calls a year why are they paid for doing exactly what we do. Respond of pagers.
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So BIG TED tell me, what exactly does a fringe brigade need two trucks for when MFS do all your work before any CFS appliance gets there? Dubbling up of resourses no reasonable explanation.
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Also MR TED i wouldn't close all fringe brigades just reduce the bullshit calls wouldnt that be nice only responding to going jobs. If they need you they can call you. This could reduce your 400 500 calls to less than 100 sound good.
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mate if you don't want to respond as a proper volunteer to these alleged 500 stops a year, don't! just stop whining about it.
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J Squared, im not responding to 500 stops a year just saying those who attend calls withto MFS could are a getting shafted by the gov and CFS. I am from a brigade doesnt have MFS as neighbours, but if i did i would be handing them all the bullshit calls, bin fires, car fires, alarms, fender benders, smoke in areas, the list goes on. Only the guys who are in it for the rush of it all enjoy going to these with all the bells and whistles (glory seeking).
By the way im as dedicated as you can get. But can see people getting used up we get the shitty calls too but are usually able to filter the majority of them out before they reach the pagers (via alerts).
Ive also got a lot of respect for the urban fringe brigades as they usually do know there stuff and have all the training.
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Couple of typos in that last one but you get the idea.
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But can see people getting used up we get the shitty calls too but are usually able to filter the majority of them out before they reach the pagers (via alerts).
Just curious how u filter "those" calls out that other fire brigades respond to through alerts??? Of course the calls come in for burnoffs that are known in the area etc that dont need a truck turned out to, is that what you meant by that statement?
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the old someone else can do it and I'm ok syndrome...... Only want to be turned out for those jobs that are so called " good jobs"? JJ has it right....don't want to do the job as it is....don't join.
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Thats it Big AL probably are able to filter between 10 -15 calls that dont need fire service attendance.
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I joined about 18 years ago Mr Ted plenty of experience with real jobs i attend about 75 % of the brigades total also go to all the crap jobs that come through the pagers when im around. If there is an emergency (real emergency) i have no issues at all. Will be there quick smart for the community. Just dont agree with the waist of vollys time if its not required.
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Also Big Al we seem to get called to lots of rubbish fires called in by passing motorist that are actually bon fires outside of fire season. Tend to take the aproach if the owner of the property doesnt call then no response is realy needed, however if multiple 000 calls are taken we will go for a look. Rural areas mainly. No rules against burning here. Wouldnt not respond if we had any doubt.
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I guess you can call me a 'glory seeker' responding to these 'shitty' calls then, but I can honestly say that every small job I have been to or been stopped en route to, no one has said that it was a complete waste of time or 'we shouldn't have been called to this'.
From my understanding of fire alarms too, the CFS is able to charge attendance fee's and part of the fee paid filters back into the brigades group. So claiming that this is a bullshit call reflects poorly on the service, and we all know how ignoring alarm calls can end up! (http://www.safirefighter.com/boards/index.php?topic=836.0 (http://www.safirefighter.com/boards/index.php?topic=836.0))
Finally I can safely say that a few of these urban brigades were well established before any MFS presence, so sacrificing more of our area sounds ridiculous. Hypothetical, if we lose a stretch of road and nine out of ten MVA's located on this strip are only minor (apparent BS calls), what about the tenth job called in? could be something more serious...
Remember not to believe everything you see on your pager, it comes through as second and third hand information sometimes and a Vehicle Accident may have a lot more to it than spill only.
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Yes i agree with the pager not being correct alot of the time. The old alerts system was probably the best still had SOC on line to type in the details and send the page but we were able to speak direct to the caller and ask for more info on the job before responding. Now adelaide fire receive a call and send somone quiet often on a wild goose chase.
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Help Me, your suggestion regarding closing the metro interface CFS brigades makes sound business sense, however you have been unfairly attacked because many volunteers only look at issues through "emotion".
In the last 20 years the city has encroached into the country and brigades like Salisbury, Dalkeith, Tea Tree Gully, Athelstone, Burnside, Happy Valley, Morphett Vale and Seaford are now located in "the city".
Their response areas have dramatically reduced and in most cases are surrounded by MFS fire stations. Then they complain when they respond with MFS only to arrive when the job is over...Hello....isn't this telling the CFS something, that paid fire fighters located at the fire station will always respond faster than volunteers who have to leave their jobs etc and drive to their fire station?
Then CFS members complain they are responded to "crap" jobs !!! In any fire service there are never any "crap" jobs because all jobs have the potential to be life threats..People who complain about "crap" jobs need to consider if they should belong in a fire service.
Finally these urban brigades were orginally left in place to protect the urban interface...conservation parks etc. However DENR and SA Water now have highly trained, more experienced, paid firefighters that perform this role today.
The fire fighting world has changed in South Australia yet no one is willing to "bite the bullet" and close these urban brigades.. in the meantime they take large amounts of the CFS budget away from the other 350 or so other "Country" Fire Service brigades.
Yes Help Me you are on the money with your view point.
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John, DENR & SA WATER dont have crews on 24/7 so the fires in the middle of the night might be a problem! at least until a recall is undertaken.
SAMFS need to sink a standpipe....Good luck with that through a lot of the urban interface, as there is no reticulated water!
I pity the C.O or political party that tries to close one of these long standing volunteer stations, they might just as well shoot Bambi!
Help Me, some of what you say has some truth to it, but closing volunteers stations would give volunteers a rally point and a cause, thereby uniting the service and all politicians understand that is not desirable, we are best kept fractured and unempowered!
So go on C.O or Politicians, I dare you.....in fact, I double dare you!!
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is it just me or is there a rash (the collective noun) of new trolls suddenly infesting us?..... whats with the new guys with 2 or 3 posts all bagging the Service?....finally get to the SDF Module that shows u how to use a computer?
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Or a person that has always been on here trying to stir a bit of crap by using different names. I'm sure the mod's would be looking at those IP address's to see if we are being had here.
It does seem odd that within a couple of days two new members with identical views pop up to bag everyone, just saying...
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Cheers John good to see a bit of suport.
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Sorry been away last week, might end this now