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Country Fire Service / Re: Booster Commisioning
« on: June 09, 2010, 08:44:30 AM »
Might be more useful to strap some pool pumps to the back of the truck.

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Country Fire Service / Re: Booster Commisioning
« on: June 08, 2010, 08:41:02 PM »
TOUR OF MOUNT PLEASANT HOSPITAL HYDRANT BOOSTER TONIGHT AT STATION 19:00. - CFS Springton Info

Any ideas what they getting up to with the booster?

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Country Fire Service / Re: Booster Commisioning
« on: June 08, 2010, 08:19:11 PM »
"Isn't that like saying fire fighting isn't something you can just do a course on, because every fire is different?"

Not really. There are some serious gaphics based fire panels being installed that not even the fire companies completely understand. Poor vols who rocked up to see a 9 inch screen touch pad :S

Yeah you are right going out to recce your area is the right thing to do, noticed one of the brigades has been doing this alot in the paging.

Yeah like i said earlier there  are three companies with the trailer pumps and one with an acco.

And like 6739264 said. great to do the testing and commision with these pumps/ trucks but if you dont have a heavy pumper its kind of useless. 24p vs. heavy urban pumper is the exact problem

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Country Fire Service / Re: Booster Commisioning
« on: June 07, 2010, 06:49:09 PM »
Whats the biggest sized booster that the cfs trucks could handle? ie would a 150mm booster be too hard? or is a 200mm system the maximum size??

FIP's aren't something you can just do a course on. 12 main manufacturers each with about 10 designs that are different...

No rto's can do the panel courses atm. and i cant find a rto that does the familiarity with fire systems course.

I rung chubb and asked for their help and got told to call another company cause they dont tell anyone but their own how they work. got the same resonse for the other fire companies.

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Country Fire Service / Re: Booster Commisioning
« on: June 06, 2010, 02:52:54 PM »
Ahh so its basically, don't the people. If something goes to hell just smile and plead innocence lol.


Whats the Check Installed Fire Safety Systems course? I saw one the fire companies hauling some massive fire pumps (as big or bigger than 20 foot shipping container) up freeway on way into hills. turned off at Mt Barker.

Wait how do the fire crews respond and boost the system as Monalta distribution centre? That things freaking massive. and mets trucks struggle to boost.

You never rely on the installed electric or diesel pumps... They may give out at any time and 50k litres is tiny to supply a good sized sprinkler system especially :( . Lack of suction hose is filtered scary. That has got to be basic equipment to carry.

What happens when there is a major fire like PGS or Rand where you have the mets pulling full time crews from ohallaron hill to kilburn leaving cfs to coq to station 20?

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Country Fire Service / Re: Booster Commisioning
« on: June 05, 2010, 08:26:48 PM »
Lucky most of those systems are just tank suction with a single hydrant outlet.

Might be a reason for brigades to upgrade appliances  :-D

How do the cfs 34p and 24urp go with mains pressure 4in/4out? How often do hills brigades pratice with the boosters? I heard of a site being installed in the hills ie near mt barker with a triple pump and tank set up. Should be good for cfs to practise with  8-)


Didn't know the cfs had their building safety unit again. They finally replaced max?

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Country Fire Service / Re: Booster Commisioning
« on: June 05, 2010, 04:12:34 PM »
Well the SACFS is really switched on in regards to this aren't they. I saw one of the companies doing a commissioning test this morning in Lonsdale... nice big truck doing it. Sort the CFS should have.

2x 24p... can the new 34p's boost easily enough? remembering that the majority of the new boosters are 4in 4 out... or 2 supply + 1 suction and 4 in...

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Country Fire Service / Re: Booster Commisioning
« on: June 04, 2010, 09:59:41 PM »
All good. Just curious cause i keep seeing the Mets doing commission tests, but wonder how it works in the CFS areas. Can hardly get a cfs pumper out to commission a system. Although i saw a private contractor with a fire truck doing the test so might be that.


Would've thought it would have worked well to have the contractors give a donation to the local brigade to come out to commission the system, get to learn the system and also raise some mular :D

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Country Fire Service / Re: Booster Commisioning
« on: June 04, 2010, 09:25:16 PM »
I know the MFS does the commission flow as there are only  a few companies in adelaide that can do the commission flows privately with pumps or fire trucks, so mets still do that but i didnt think CFS did it in their areas.

Commision test means that the system is boosted to get the flows- pass/fail
then pressure test- pass/fail. (30mins at max pressure)

pressure test to 1700kpa or 1800kpa. How are we suppose to use these systems when the appliances cant manage? ie a 24P as Big Al mentioned?

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Country Fire Service / Booster Commisioning
« on: June 04, 2010, 11:17:54 AM »
Hi,

Quick question, Who does the booster commissioning in the country areas ie hills and country?

I know there are the fire companies that do the 3 or 6 year tests, but who does the commissioning test? Especially as some brigades pumpers wouldn't be able to support the flow/ pressure needed to get the pass at 1800kpa/ and the flow rate.

Surely the mets don't go outside of the metropolition areas as they wouldn't be the responding appliance.

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It's kind of funny, that in the private industry, such as industry training they only use carbon fibre in most of the sites that we work in. OHS, Manual Handling, if someone is in a tank, pit, contaminated zone for more than a few minutes it can add up. Then you had long heavy hoses, heavy and hot tunics and pants sets...

Maybe with the ageing population (no offence to the older members) that the SACFS started to look at a lighter SCBA set. Lighter backplate, lighter cylinders. In Europe and now the USA they are moving to exclusive carbon fibre everything. Yes you may bump and crack the carbon fibre, but to do so takes a lot of force and energy and to be frank the cost benefit of having a lighter BA set vs. replacement would be favourable.


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Hi all,

We use the Biopak for training fire teams in the mines, they are the standard against what others are assesed against. Yes they cost alot more, but when you need to walk into a large underground mine to find a few miners you need as much duration as possible.

The idea of double dutching with a double 9L OC system is just silly, most people would struggle to walk 100m in double dutch system, whereas the CC systems are alot lighter.

Actually we have walked around for over four hours at work doing heavy activites such as lifting heavy rolls of old canvas hose with brass couplings, operated pumps and climbing ladders... and the coolig system in the CC systems keeps the air cool. If yours didn't you need to have it serviced properly.

The idea of having to spend half your life checking the CC compared to the OC is just silly. All you need to make sure is that the service sticker saying that it is good to go is on the system and also the filters have been replaced and its good to go!

CC is used throughout the Hunter Valley very successfully in the mines and the fire service also has  a fair few sets for large building searches

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SAAS / Re: When is a vehicle an ambulance and when is it not????
« on: March 02, 2010, 02:00:53 PM »
Exactly  :-)

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SAAS / Re: When is a vehicle an ambulance and when is it not????
« on: March 02, 2010, 12:16:48 PM »
Once again some people are playing the name and red and blue cards. No matter how much government tries to remove the words from these companies names, uniforms, and other stuff it wont happen. Having seen countless people in town who were in town for a conference from the mines wearing their rescue tv's the majority have EMERGENCY, RESCUE, FIRE, AMBULANCE written on them. And many of these people were walking down rundle mall and through the main shops.

and for the vehicles... there are about twenty vehicles sighted in adelaide and known to police for having dual light flashers fitted to their cars illegally and many vehicles that have chevronning on them that is also very confusing... but as many of these vehicles are sign written and retrofitted with lights after they are sold they are not picked up by transport department boys and girls at regency park.

You can whinge, you can whine, you can have a good old fashion sit in, but nothing will change. and polite towing change cause they wanted to look diff to the cops, as many people were abusing them when it can to reposess their cars and just hating them cause they looked like cop tow trucks.

Btw new ambo's for PTS from interstate look good, wouldn't mind one sitting next to our pumper

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SASES / Re: Murray bridge SES
« on: February 05, 2010, 09:38:48 PM »
Well holy scheiße! Seems that the death by a thousand cuts by people on hearsay and rumours doesn't do shite to the MBSES... filtered good show guys! Keep up the good work :D

Btw Sorry for your loss :|

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SASES / Re: Rope Rescue
« on: February 05, 2010, 09:33:40 PM »
Didn't that person work for the fire service then go away on the fire service dollar, now to deliver to the same fire service... Mets are looking to reacredit with the Queensland Fire and Rescue due to their expertise in the area.

Should have stayed witn SAPOL delivery... mainly because they are the designated rescue organisation for heights through STAR group who are atm being reaccredited by an external agency and purchasing new equipment to be able to do the job best.

And they're are going single rope on advice from the external contractor, and also changing the way they do everything so they don't have a rediculous amount of gadgets that they were sold over the years which were simple never used due to complexity and extreme pricing. They're also going to be doing alot more intergration with Special Operations Ambulance so that they will have a team situation with two paramedics and two STAR.

However I did notice that there was a rope rescue situation on KI the other night... Are there any rope rescue assets based on KI or only on the mainland? (SACFS or SASES)

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SASES / Re: Rope Rescue
« on: January 30, 2010, 08:56:51 AM »
For the record, the Mets were taught rope rescue intially by the STAR Group and Police Rescue.

The SASES is great, but they are still seen as being the traffic control for the Mets and the people to do the legwork of SAPOL for searches.

They do great work, but duplication upon duplication. Give SASES vertical and rope rescue, mets the other stuff in their AOR and the CFS the same.

Yes accidents happen... its kinda hard not to have accidents when you're doing rescues when the rescuerers themselves are in danger.

Btw Single rope all the Way :mrgreen:

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Country Fire Service / Re: Crazy talk
« on: September 25, 2009, 02:45:30 PM »
What go from mixed gear to lolly pop uniform?  :roll:

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SA Firefighter General / HP Side reel nozzles
« on: September 24, 2009, 05:27:12 PM »
Hi,

I am looking for a supplier that sells HP side line nozzles with H handles to fit a 1 inch thread for heavy pumpers. Please reply.

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SA Firefighter General / Re: Responsibilites of the property owner
« on: September 19, 2009, 01:54:59 PM »
There are on site fire crews trained by one or two private companies... I know a couple high risk sites in Regency Park have them.

The Kilburn Site does have on site advanced fire teams trained from what the owner was saying on night, however the risk posed by the LPG tank which was the target out-weighed the benefits of fighting it.

MFS used to have a commercial arm remember... however the government sold it off to Chubb

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Incident Operations / Re: Kilburn plastics fire
« on: September 19, 2009, 12:03:15 AM »
Wouldn't it in this case fall on the property owner for having such a large store of flammables with no way of fighting it? Crews on site reported total lack of water supply, hydrants, and no monitors which you normally find in the plastics industry!

Thoughts?

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SA Firefighter General / Re: Stay or Go Policy
« on: September 15, 2009, 07:36:54 PM »
The tite of "Stay and Go" is tarnished... A rebadging with a not so slick media campaign is what is needed... No offence but no gives a scheiße about the premier telling us what to do... get the cameras to SACFS station have a officer, cadet or firefighter tell the camera...

Cause when politions speak most people do not listen, or care what they think.

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Incident Operations / Re: Kilburn plastics fire
« on: September 15, 2009, 07:30:27 PM »
And reached the 40 tonne forklift, trucks, granulated plastics, shreaded plastics and jumped the fence into any of the neighbouring businesses? or got into the plant...

The whole area would be still on fire and the retained would be called in... We got away very luckily... the yard goes a long way into the site. Luckily the petrol bulk tank was empty, and the silos drained via vacumn to another silo at the other end of site...

SO what do you think they need? Lack of water so boosters? Hydrants? Wheeled units? maybe even their own truck in a static position?

Thoughts?

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Incident Operations / Re: Kilburn plastics fire
« on: September 15, 2009, 07:19:06 PM »
The fire was all out at mid-day. Only one shipping container left smoldering. Fire did not touch any building just blackened the walls in some spots. The clean will start tonight and be finished by friday night.

Woodville skyjet was cleaning up spots most of day.

Would be interesting to see what fire systems are installed after this... ie more hydrants, fire team training.

It was a LPG tank that was threatened which is being replaced overnight due to heat cracks that happened dueing day. The factory stayed operational in the Inwood avenue section all night and the Blackburn st section as well with 1 plants spacing and fog nozzles on walls to keep internal cool.

The Company only lost small amounts in the yard which was very small section of the total yard!

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Incident Operations / Re: Kilburn plastics fire
« on: September 14, 2009, 09:00:57 PM »
On Site now...

fire is confined to plastics and fuel store in large yard.

Onsite fire teams fought fire back from fuel tanks and plant using fire extinguishers and hose... Trained very very well!

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