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General Discussion => Country Fire Service => Topic started by: YELLOWS_2 on September 18, 2006, 01:21:56 PM
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Should CFS volunteers get half price regestration off their private cars, cheaper council rates or pay cheaper emergency services levy as an incentive to stay in the service so we have not as much burdon on our backs as volunteers?
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it would be nice.
but...
a) people will then fraught the system by joining and then doing the absolute bare minimum.
b) it will never happen. ever.
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Good point there YELLOWS we Volunteer our time cars fuel.... money for rego we should get some sort of deduction off of some thin you mentioned. But then would we have a problem with members of the public abusing the system? I believe we should get things like that a bit cheaper but you must bee in the service for a certain amount of time before it comes in to affect.
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idea 10/10 :-D
going ahead 1/10 :-D
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You could monitor the callout or other things they do so no one will rip the goverment off say a swip card to show who turns up all the time.
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Dont like your chances but i believe the CFA discount scheme works well.
P.S should this really be in the samfs section?
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Would be a nice incentive(sp)..
Off topic... FFK and Y2 wouldn't be the same person would it?
Just a pattern in posting i've noticed.
*smiles*
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Heavyrescue and corecutters isnt the same person is it :-P
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Two different people but the same computer is used at the computer shop.
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Heavyrescue and corecutters isnt the same person is it :-P
corecutters is strikeathird. what a funny coincidence that the day i question corecutters persona, strikeathird returns!
however did that happen? :roll: :evil:
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Aparantly striker registered in 1969 :lol: :lol:
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Your right, I am strikeathird.. However, I have no idea who re-registered as the strikeathird user, and am attempting to find out with the moderators.. So if that account does post.. It's not me.
(and I don't have multiple accounts active at the same time, just incase you were wondering... :-))
Bit like firetruck probie ;).. Got tired of the last account..
But as fun as it has been, I move house at the end of this week and will no longer have the internet, and can't access at work, so everyone have fun, take care, and stay safe !
*smiles*
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YES! i was right!
woo, me and PF and CFS_firey were right.
go striker!
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3 lofty lads... :lol:
Look out ! lol
:mrgreen:
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I reckon CFS Firey has a bit of inside knowledge though :wink:
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Considering we talk, thats pretty inside if you ask me...
Any way, like I said, I'm moving thursday, and won't have the internet , so I hope the forum continues with the idea's and discussions I have seen it develop since it started, and hope you all take care and stay safe..
See ya'll at the big one !
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3 lofty lads, try only 2 and one barossa lad. :wink:
You sayign you wont have internet again and ownt be back or just for a while until you get internet.
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3 lofty lads, try only 2 and one barossa lad. :wink:
You sayign you wont have internet again and ownt be back or just for a while until you get internet.
Theres a few more than 3 lofty lads... just quietly.
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3 lofty lads, try only 2 and one barossa lad. :wink:
You sayign you wont have internet again and ownt be back or just for a while until you get internet.
It will probably be a while mate, don't have a connection at the new place, and it's not my house, so will see how we go.
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Take it to 'off topic' boys and girls.... keep things on track ;)
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of course when it gets used for a purpose
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Back on track....
I agree with cheaper registration... It could easily work, especially if its not widely publicised... After all CFS volunteers get to be heroes too, but I don't see many members joining, but only doing a minimum just for that benefit... :P
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The VFBA originally put forward an idea when the ESL came out for us to be exempt from ESL...but the answer was that it would be too hard to police :|
And look how much money the government is saving by us free firefighters,yet we have to beg,to get equipment to save lives.
If it wasnt for the community we wouldnt do it :-D
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So, if CFS Volunteers were given cheaper registration (or a discount on your ESL) what sort of criteria would be applied?
Would people simply have to be a registered member of the CFS to gain a discount, or would some other criteria apply? If so, what?
Pip
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I would think they would have some sort of system set out where you would have to turn out to so many call outs training nights and meetings to qualify and set it up some way or how so that people just don't join to gain the benefits if ya know what I mean!! :-D
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I would think they would have some sort of system set out where you would have to turn out to so many call outs training nights and meetings to qualify and set it up some way or how so that people just don't join to gain the benefits if ya know what I mean!! :-D
So perhaps, to qualify for the benefit, you need to attend, say 50% of the calls your brigade responds to, and 50% of the brigades meetings....could it be something like that?
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isn't there already some definition of what an "active member" is? (like being available to respond to 30% of callouts, at least one brigade meeting in 4 or something??)
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Not too sure I know if you don't got to any call outs trainings or meetings in 6 months then the brigade can send you a letter asking what you are going to be doing or if you have a good reason why you haven't been going to them like work not too sure other wise....
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I would think they would have some sort of system set out where you would have to turn out to so many call outs training nights and meetings to qualify and set it up some way or how so that people just don't join to gain the benefits if ya know what I mean!! :-D
So perhaps, to qualify for the benefit, you need to attend, say 50% of the calls your brigade responds to, and 50% of the brigades meetings....could it be something like that?
That sounds like a pretty fair way of doing it, though should there be a minimum term of service? Perhaps a year?
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50 % of calls is some brigades could be .5 calls per year or nearly 200 calls
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50 % of calls is some brigades could be .5 calls per year or nearly 200 calls
And therein lies the problem.
Lets say you a criteria of attendance at 50% of calls, and 50% of meetings, to qualify for cheaper rego / ESL.
More than 50% of brigades statewide do less than 20 calls a year.
Lets say a member of one of those brigades attended 50% of calls, attending a total of 10 calls in a year. A member of a busy brigade with 200 calls a year, only manages to make it to 40% of the calls - but attends 80 calls.
If you apply the criteria of attending 50% of calls, using this example, the person who attends 10 calls a year gets a discount, as they attend 50% of their brigade call outs, but the person who attends 80 calls, but only 40% of their brigades's call outs doesn't get a discount....
Is a system like that fair? :?
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The whole service ranges so wildly in terms of call out numbers, even within the same group. There almost needs to be bands that brigades fit into for resource allocation etc etc. You can't compare a 20 call a year brigade to a 300+ call a year brigade, two totally different worlds.
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yes it is fairly fair as the 200 call brigade has got more oppurtunity to go to calls than the 20 call out brigade. If anything it is unfair to the 20 call out brigade as they have less oppurtunity to make it to call outs.
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im pretty sure if you know what your doing you can get some rego, mileage, fuel back in tax if you keep track af all call outs attended, traing meetings ect, you would also need to keep reciepts.
pretty sure its that way its also the same for sub contractors
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im pretty sure if you know what your doing you can get some rego, mileage, fuel back in tax if you keep track af all call outs attended, traing meetings ect, you would also need to keep reciepts.
pretty sure its that way its also the same for sub contractors
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Yes but what you do as a volunteer is not your paid job so how could you claim it as a work deduction>???
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I reckon those types of deductions only relate to business expenses, not volunteer expenses...eg a sub contractor can claim milage back on tax, in certain circumstances.
Unfortunately, there is little that a volunteer can claim back on their tax......
Pip
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ill look into it, nut i was advised but a tax dude that it can be done, might be a secret clause or something, lol
get back to yas l8ter
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if you're not earning an incoming from it then you can't claim it as a deduction (rough rule-of-thumb).
although really in fact you can claim whatever-the-hell you want on your tax, the difficult part comes if/when you get audited and have to justify it.
(claiming a mileage allowance for attending courses and some meetings etc is different as that is an allowance paid to you by the CFS, not a deduction on your tax)
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I think that basing rego/esl on training attendance is probably a more efficient way of judging whether someone qualifies. Being efficiently trained and maintaining that level of training to CFS standards should be enough. An alternative would be just to have the Captain or Admin officer sign off that the member is active and attends 'enough CFS activites' to qualify.