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General Discussion => SA Firefighter General => Topic started by: Zippy on August 12, 2008, 12:24:55 PM
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11:37:58 12-08-08 S81 Cat2 Carey Gully Rd, Carey Gully 134 P16 POLICE REQUIRED
11:38:41 12-08-08 MFS: *CFSRES INC022 12/08/08 11:37,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,CAREY GULLY RD,CAREY GULLY MAP 145 P 3 TG126,INTERSECTION WITH FOX CREEK RD. NO ENTRA,PMENTS. BLOCKING ROAD. 2 CARS,STRL19 CARY00 CFS Stirling Response
11:49:26 12-08-08 MFS: *CFSRES INC022 12/08/08 11:48,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,FOX CREEK RD,CUDLEE CREEK MAP 112 C 7 TG126,CORNER WITH CROFT ROAD. 2 CARS. NO ENTRA,PMENTS. FROM SAPOL. BLOCKING ROAD,LOBE19 CUDL00 CFS Lobethal Response
Fox Creek Road doesnt even go near Carey Gully!...the two locations are very far apart...! Low priority job, but if this was a time critical incident...
So i believe only SAPOL comcen got the correct information.
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11:37:58 12-08-08 S81 Cat2 Carey Gully Rd, Carey Gully 134 P16 POLICE REQUIRED
11:38:41 12-08-08 MFS: *CFSRES INC022 12/08/08 11:37,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,CAREY GULLY RD,CAREY GULLY MAP 145 P 3 TG126,INTERSECTION WITH FOX CREEK RD. NO ENTRA,PMENTS. BLOCKING ROAD. 2 CARS,STRL19 CARY00 CFS Stirling Response
11:49:26 12-08-08 MFS: *CFSRES INC022 12/08/08 11:48,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,FOX CREEK RD,CUDLEE CREEK MAP 112 C 7 TG126,CORNER WITH CROFT ROAD. 2 CARS. NO ENTRA,PMENTS. FROM SAPOL. BLOCKING ROAD,LOBE19 CUDL00 CFS Lobethal Response
Fox Creek Road doesnt even go near Carey Gully!...the two locations are very far apart...! Low priority job, but if this was a time critical incident...
So i believe only SAPOL comcen got the correct information.
And it wasn't even at Fox Creek Rd & Croft Rd either.....turned out to be Cudlee Creek Rd & Fox Creek Rd....
And I don't think there is a "Carey Gully Rd" at Carey Gully either.... :?
Pip
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At the end of the day though you can only go by the information the caller gives you...
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And calling up 000 can be a pretty daunting thing,
someone might get off the phone and go crap, thats not what i meant, and you dont want to ring back cos they are bus ppl...
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Carey Gully road is in the area of Mt Geogre i believe. Pretty much looked at google maps when that call went through and screwed my face up, simply knew that fox creek road is either lenswood, lobethal or cudlee creek.
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According to the UBD, there is no "Carey Gully Rd" at Carey Gully...and I haven't heard the locals talk about Carey Gully Rd either!!!
Listening to the ambos, they seemed to be getting quite differing versions of the locations....eventually someone gave the the correct location!!
Luckily, there appeared to be no serious injuries at this crash.
Pip
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There is an "old Carey gully road" but that is in Stirling east/mount gorge.
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All I can say is I can't wait until CAD comes in with the automatic mapping function when you put a street in, then the operator can say "errrrm, you sure those roads intersect?"
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As soon as I heard that on the scanner I said to myself ill bet its Cudlee Creek Rd and I was right.
Carey Gully Rd is usually referred to as Bridgewater Carey Gully Rd which is what SAPOL used to give us for accident directions.
It is also referred to as that on Google Earth
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except that is actauly called gully road.
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except that is actauly called gully road.
Negative Bridgewater-Carey Gully Rd UBD Map 146 E13 :-D
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There is according to the UBD and the locaaaaaals
(1) the Bridgewater to Carey Gully road - that runs between Bridgewater and Rangeveiw drive at Carey Gully
(2) the Old Carey Gully road - that runs from the old Mt Barker road(Stirling end) to the intersection of Gully road ( by Woodhouse) at that point the Old Carey Gully road changes name and becomes Rangeview drive that continues to Greenhill road at Carey Gully.
(3) Gully road runs from Greenhill road to the intersection of Old Carey Gully road and Rangeview drive (by Woodhouse)
Hopefully that clears it up .
The pager messages on that day certainly looked like a ballsup, even on the second page they had the 126 talkgroup down clearly wrong, would a call to an alerts phone by Adelaide Fire have shortened the correct response time!
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it puts it down to this...no one single adelaide fire operator thinks like the next....You tell one the correct information, the next one will still be clueless....
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yeah that's right jaff
And Jeff the rode on google earth that is "caery gully road" is actauly gully road.
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yeah that's right jaff
And Jeff the road on google earth that is "carey gully road" is actually gully road.
Oh really, so the UBD and Google Earth info is wrong is it, and that's why the signs say Bridgewater-Carey Gully Rd...go for a drive in your LOCAL area and have a look :-P
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And Jeff the rode on google earth that is "caery gully road" is actauly gully road.
Whats a 'rode' ?
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it puts it down to this...no one single adelaide fire operator thinks like the next....You tell one the correct information, the next one will still be clueless....
So if you were working at Adelaide fire, you'd know every road in the state and what roads intersect it in which suburbs? :P
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it puts it down to this...no one single adelaide fire operator thinks like the next....You tell one the correct information, the next one will still be clueless....
So if you were working at Adelaide fire, you'd know every road in the state and what roads intersect it in which suburbs? :P
Its called dedication.
Some of us have it, you obviously don't.
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Does Adelaide Fire and Ambo Comms, have street verification on their CRD systems?
I know SAPol does (well, at least streets in the UBD..) - for 000 and 131444 calls in the country, it normally goes through to the local Police HQ, who might have a bit of an idea about their own area)
Pip
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Pip, I didn't think you could enter a street in BOMS if it didn't exist in the database... (otherwise it comes out as MAP 0 0). I don't know about any intersection / landmark checking though...
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it puts it down to this...no one single adelaide fire operator thinks like the next....You tell one the correct information, the next one will still be clueless....
Its called dedication.
Some of us have it, you obviously don't.
So if you were working at Adelaide fire, you'd know every road in the state and what roads intersect it in which suburbs? :P
I was referring to the "Calling the Brigades Alert's" Procedure Mel...and the randomness at how they follow there own procedure.
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I was referring to the "Calling the Brigades Alert's" Procedure Mel...and the randomness at how they follow there own procedure.
That is assuming that the brigades that they turnout use alerts.
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I wounder how the new addressing system is going to work with these problems not only in the city area's but also in the country....
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im led to believe there have been brigades added to alerts since adelaide fire took over last year.
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Nope, no one has been added to Alerts. They are supposed to ring certain brigades first, but not all of them, again having a system where you have to do one thing for this brigade, one thing for another brigade is frought with danger, how are you supposed to get all the things they all want done right every time. Also the abuse from some of the vols doesn't help.
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Slightly in the same topic yet off topic.
Right now, Stirling Rescue is sitting on 124, and i can hear Aldgate 12 request them...on 136...to no avail.
The difference was...Aldgate 12 was told to change to 136...Stirling Rescue...got a Roger Out.
Any thoughts?
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Perhaps Stirling and Aldgate don't have radio operators and as the procedure states, if no joy on your local TG go back to 124 or whatever your regional TG is. Stirling probably should have announced they were going back to 124 to keep Aldgate in the loop.
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Stirling may have been working on the assumption, remain on talkgroup unless told to change?
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The SOP is clear on this.
Change to the Talk Group listed on your pager (which in itself created confusion at the crash at Carey Gully / Cudlee Creek)......
You do not need to be told to change, you are just meant to go there.
If there is no station on air then tough luck. If you need something, you change back to 124, and when you have passed your message, you go back to the channel listed on your pager....
The SOP also states that stations are not meant to come up on 124 to advise they are on air...they go straight to the channel listed on the pager, and come up there......
Pip
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Stirling pumper was on both channels i know because i was on it!
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hand on a minute i was on Stirling pumper Aldgate was not even coming to this job and also we had a portable on 124 and the truck radio on 126 at that was the channel for the incident when we relised where the job was we put a stop for carry gully and for rescue and returned to our station
Punctuation? Grammar? Spelling? Comprehension?
Tough, I know.
The Carey Gully rd. job and the current Aldgate/Stirling 124/136 job are two DIFFERENT jobs that are being discussed.
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I did say...i was going Off Topic....different incident all together that occured this morning.
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Stirling may have been working on the assumption, remain on talkgroup unless told to change?
we turn a potable onto 124 and have the fixed radio on the designated talk group and that is how we run to incidents
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today was the same story we did as we always do
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The SOP is clear on this.
Change to the Talk Group listed on your pager (which in itself created confusion at the crash at Carey Gully / Cudlee Creek)......
You do not need to be told to change, you are just meant to go there.
If there is no station on air then tough luck. If you need something, you change back to 124, and when you have passed your message, you go back to the channel listed on your pager....
The SOP also states that stations are not meant to come up on 124 to advise they are on air...they go straight to the channel listed on the pager, and come up there......
Pip
Definately agree with that...It just appears to be a information flow of new procedure, not occuring or "down pat".
But i also disagree with the SOP in other respects. Thats another rant for another time.
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Stirling may have been working on the assumption, remain on talkgroup unless told to change?
we turn a potable onto 124 and have the fixed radio on the designated talk group and that is how we run to incidents
So, do you have a portable on 136??? because the incident controller has to able to get out of the truck.
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yes we have a portable on 136 and 124 as we have to portable GRN's on pumper
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There was nothing wrong with the old method, so long as booking mobile and sitreps were on 124 until a station came up on air and ALL fireground comms were kept on UHF/VHF.
The new system is just bollocks to be honest. Not so bad for appliances with multiple GRN portables, but thats not too many.
I'd love to see the introduction of a speaker and mic on the pump panel for monitoring GRN, but hey, I can dream...
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Thats possible numbers ;)...Just hook up a portable scanner to the trucks cigarette lighter. You could then...broadcast the headphone port's audio via bluetooth, to a bluetooth ear piece. Or even splicing a Bluetooth audio feed directly off the Mobile GRN radio in the cab...?
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Thats possible numbers ;)...Just hook up a portable scanner to the trucks cigarette lighter. You could then...broadcast the headphone port's audio via bluetooth, to a bluetooth ear piece. Or even splicing a Bluetooth audio feed directly off the Mobile GRN radio in the cab...?
mayb for some technical wiz but noone else
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Thats possible numbers ;)...Just hook up a portable scanner to the trucks cigarette lighter. You could then...broadcast the headphone port's audio via bluetooth, to a bluetooth ear piece. Or even splicing a Bluetooth audio feed directly off the Mobile GRN radio in the cab...?
mayb for some technical wiz but noone else
Its called sarcasm!
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If everyone went by the SOP then the talkgroup is on the pager, no excuse for being anywhere else, unless directed otherwise :wink:
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There still is a bucket load of people still forgetting to go to their primary talkgroup and continue to transmit on 124 for sometime. Must pisss Adelaide fire right off.
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Thats possible numbers ;)...Just hook up a portable scanner to the trucks cigarette lighter. You could then...broadcast the headphone port's audio via bluetooth, to a bluetooth ear piece. Or even splicing a Bluetooth audio feed directly off the Mobile GRN radio in the cab...?
Or do the old fashion way, which is to run a speaker cable with a switch, to the speaker horn location near the pump.
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Thats possible numbers ;)...Just hook up a portable scanner to the trucks cigarette lighter. You could then...broadcast the headphone port's audio via bluetooth, to a bluetooth ear piece. Or even splicing a Bluetooth audio feed directly off the Mobile GRN radio in the cab...?
Or do the old fashion way, which is to run a speaker cable with a switch, to the speaker horn location near the pump.
Which is prohibited under Telstras GRN contract with CFS unless they do it. :wink:
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Hasn't the Telstra contract with CFS now expired....?
As part of that, we all used to have to undertake a GRN course before touching the radios. Now there is no requirement to do that....
Pip
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Hasn't the Telstra contract with CFS now expired....?
As part of that, we all used to have to undertake a GRN course before touching the radios. Now there is no requirement to do that....
Pip
oops we are meant to do a GRN course i must have missed that oh well :lol:
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Hasn't the Telstra contract with CFS now expired....?
As part of that, we all used to have to undertake a GRN course before touching the radios. Now there is no requirement to do that....
Pip
Within SES the updated TRK for 'Operate Communications Equipment' is being rolled out. This replaces the interim course that has been delivered during the past few years.
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Thats possible numbers ;)...Just hook up a portable scanner to the trucks cigarette lighter. You could then...broadcast the headphone port's audio via bluetooth, to a bluetooth ear piece. Or even splicing a Bluetooth audio feed directly off the Mobile GRN radio in the cab...?
Or do the old fashion way, which is to run a speaker cable with a switch, to the speaker horn location near the pump.
MFS appliances have remote speakers.
Which is prohibited under Telstras GRN contract with CFS unless they do it. :wink:
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Thats possible numbers ;)...Just hook up a portable scanner to the trucks cigarette lighter. You could then...broadcast the headphone port's audio via bluetooth, to a bluetooth ear piece. Or even splicing a Bluetooth audio feed directly off the Mobile GRN radio in the cab...?
Or do the old fashion way, which is to run a speaker cable with a switch, to the speaker horn location near the pump.
MFS appliances have remote speakers.
Which is prohibited under Telstras GRN contract with CFS unless they do it. :wink:
Your right uniden, MFS have speakers on pump like numbers wants, but they also carry multiple GRN radios but not others??
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Thats possible numbers ;)...Just hook up a portable scanner to the trucks cigarette lighter. You could then...broadcast the headphone port's audio via bluetooth, to a bluetooth ear piece. Or even splicing a Bluetooth audio feed directly off the Mobile GRN radio in the cab...?
Or do the old fashion way, which is to run a speaker cable with a switch, to the speaker horn location near the pump.
MFS appliances have remote speakers.
Which is prohibited under Telstras GRN contract with CFS unless they do it. :wink:
Your right uniden, MFS have speakers on pump like numbers wants, but they also carry multiple GRN radios but not others??
That is because it is in the spec for MFS appliances when they are built, however if CFS want it done it's classed as a modification to the appliance, and the relevant paperwork has to be filled out :wink:
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What did you say SAFirey? I didnt catch that? No Paperwork??? Awesome. :D
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hmmm we must be special... 8-)
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hmmm we must be special... 8-)
If you have a "Type 2" yes its standard,however on GRN, when fireground is VHF :roll:
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negative... not a type 2, we have an extension speaker for VHF to the pump panel, or are we onyl excited about GRN?
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negative... not a type 2, we have an extension speaker for VHF to the pump panel, or are we onyl excited about GRN?
Hardly...:-P