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Duffel

Where are you based?

Just for info, passing the beep test doesn't ensure selection.

Your swinging that gong way too hard if you try to tell me the original question wasn't cynical or provocative...



A simple observation of a question which could have just as easily been asked in a private message, rather than bring public doubt on the testing methods and procedures undertaken with the Mt. Gambier recruits.

Glad I wasn't the only one who felt the "tone" in K99's post...

Without knowing any components of the call, I would guess it was deemed a high risk to life.


To be frank, a 10m limb landing on someone would be deadly.

I think Camo is supporting the fact we are volunteers..


And if you miss the truck for the big one because all the people come out the woodwork, then count yourself lucky they don't attend the "smaller" jobs... Or you wouldn't make the truck at all !   




On a serious note, if crewing in the middle of the night is really that bad, maybe consider a roster system? ~ Then, no matter small or large you will have a definate crew, and they can sleep easy knowing that weather small or large they will make the appliance..

Similar to an adelaide hills brigade.

Okay toast, im guessing you have had a substantial career in either a paid or volunteer service and have vast knowledge in many areas by the many opinionated posts ?

Now..

The roof is alight, the top floor is alight.. Have you ever been to any jobs where this is the case?   

The jobs where I have been to have all resulted in collapse. (Either partly or wholely).  Especially with the conditions described by Bittenyakka.  It is *well* involved... This means massive deterioration to the supporting elements of the building. Things like Evap airconditioners lose the supports they were sitting on, they drop to the earth. Timber gerders, they drop, tiles, parts of ceiling, they drop, now they are dropping onto a fully involved top floor? Could that drop? Is the *risk* worth losing a firefighter or two? I think not.


Not to mention your first arriving appliance has 3 BA, so you cant send in anyone anyway ! BA Safety crew comes to mind. (Not to mention the limited water the crew would have to the hose while in there) - Meaning you have no one on exposure protection, no one finding a water source, who's running the pump and the job?

Apart from the people who opened their door and were backdrafted on.

Wouldn't the fire flash? I thought reaching 'flashpoint' is what occured when oxygen mixed with pyrolosis gasses and an ignition source causing the ideal mixture?

Why would they have been difficult? The roof burning through would have made them easier as heat and smoke rises, not to mention that there would be quite a few windows broken by the backdraft making ventilation easier and almost complete? Even if the windows weren't broken by the force of the backdraft, then a FF with a ladder and a Pike Pole/Axe/Halligan can do the job.

What further ventilation techniques would 'you' undertake while the roof has been opened up? I said it would be difficult, not impossible to further ventilation. Oh, and Im trying to work out who is going to get up the ladder with the ceiling hook, 1 appliance, with 3 BA crew on board, apparently you have crews on interior attack, safety crews standing around doing very little, an ECO, an OIC, someone running your pump, somehow protecting exposures and containing the fire?  Did a troop truck with crew roll up during the job?

We are talking about what we would do on arrival, my first plan a few posts ago was to upgrade the response, weigh up the situation, realising we are under crewed for the job, undertaking a defensive and exposure protecting plan, while trying to minimise damage to the structure.. Maybe 30 mins into the job when I have 30 f/f's on scene, a cascade of water and a few more members trained in BA I might change my tactics...

Quote from: RescueHazmat on October 01, 2006, 10:52:48 PM

The 9L cylinders do fit, however if CFS adopted the SAMFS style cylinder, not only do they hold more air, but are lighter and alot more ' user friendly '.


One thing though, with climbing heights, the Scania's are alot lower to the ground compared to Type 2's.

Are you sure they hold more air? They still have around a 30mins working duration I believe, the difference being that they are half the size, hence at a higher pressure to maintain the same amount of air?

Now I personally could go a 2x9L CFW setup, 60min duration 

You could be quite right, I was under the belief they had more air time, I will find out.

Could we get a summary of what is known, as it is over about 20 posts, then it might be easier to formulate a plan...

Both been to, and removed from the tree...


Gives you that warm and fuzzy feeling as you hand the cat back to the crying little girl at 10pm... 

If people are unavailable to go to a call, why should they be any more available 5 minutes after when the MORE CREW REQUIRED page comes in?  Clearly they WERE available, and chose not to go.

Wrong.

Say it's 1430, on a tuesday afternoon... What ever response is sent out, to which ever brigade...

Previously an employer tells his CFS Volunteering employee, " I don't mind if you attend calls, but please only leave work if they require extra or additional crew "..

The member was not available when the first page goes out..

BUT

Is after the second...

^ They are only obliged if they take the *original* call from the member of the public.  If SAPOL or Fire Service notify them of a job and ask them to attend, all they are required to do is send resources, not notify other agencies.


So when people see SAAS going to a job, and instantly jump up and down bagging them for not calling other agencies, maybe they should find out who took the original call first..