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All Equipment discussion / CABA ancillary equipment.

« on: March 12, 2008, 08:58:05 AM »

What Ancillary equipment does your brigades CABA sets have? And what do you think should be carried/removed?

So far I have seen a good mix (CFS Standardisation

) of everything.

Lighting:
Pelican Super Sabrelite 2000
Wolf Atex Torches
Mini Maglights
Another type of 90^o torch, perhaps a streamlight?

DSU:
Firefly K
SuperPASS II

Then the typical personal line on the CABA and the Main Guideline slung of the cylinder.

I would love to see the addition of a buddy breathing capable air line, but without buying new sets I don't think is going to happen. I am still unsure of the realistic need for the personal line/main guideline as I have never seen or heard of these being used in anything other than at Ship fires in Hi-EX foam. I would love to see more of the 90^o torches.

SA Firefighter General / Most important tool on the truck.

« on: March 12, 2008, 08:39:18 AM »

So, CFS/MFS/SES what is, in your opinion, the most important tool on your truck?

Brain, goes without saying, and is the usual smartarse answer

I'm going to say Halligan, just becuase of the unlimited number of uses it has around the place.

And yes, I'm more than a little gay for my little metal buddy!

Hypotheticals / Fire in a dryer

« on: March 12, 2008, 08:23:02 AM »

MFS: *CFSRES INC69 12/03/08 17:18,RESPOND COMMERCIAL FIRE,13 IDIOT ST,YOUR TOWN MAP 69 F 16 TG182,,BRIGADE A, BRIGADE B

You and next closest brigade are responded to the above page. Upon receipt of futher information from MFS they notify you that there is a report of a fire in bank of industrial dying machines at a local laundromat.

Your brigade has a Type 2 Medium Pumper and a 34P. Your nearest other brigade has a 24P - They are a 10 minute drive away.

Regardless of what appliances you take, you have only 3 CABA operators in your initial response, with 2 others coming to the station 10 - 15 minutes later.

The incident is a 1-2 minute drive away from the station.

Upon arrival you have a two story building in a row of shops. The building appears to be of brick construction with an iron roof.

There is small amount of light grey smoke gently wafting out of the doorway and an obvious small of burning. The owner of the laundromat is outside, but speaks little english and is VERY agitated.

The main area of the laundromat has washing bags strewn across the floor, with a bank of four industrial dyers opposite the door. There is a very obvious scorch mark leading upwards on the masonite from the back of one of the dryers. There is no obvious flame, but the room has a reasonable amount of smoke in it, and leading up the stairs at the rear of the room.

So, what appliances do you take, what information should you try to glean off the owner of the laundromat and what actions do you take at the incident and why?

All Equipment discussion / 64mm Axial Playpipe

« on: March 09, 2008, 10:20:29 PM »

For 64mm branches, would it be beneficial to introduce the Axial Playpipe with either smooth bore stacked tips or Turbojet Nozzle to allow penetration of water streams? Lets face it, a far number of our jobs around the state end up being surround and drown, so something that allows us to use a large volume of water accurately could be of immense use.

Does this piece of equipment have any use in the CFS?

Forum Suggestions / SAAS and SES boards.

« on: March 06, 2008, 08:02:39 PM »

How about both these boards are made child boards of "Other Government Agencies" it would fit into the sites intentions and current board structure.

SA Firefighter General / Appropriate Levels of Response.

« on: March 06, 2008, 09:40:28 AM »

We all know that there are issues with BOMS at the moment, and it seems like everyone here has their own opinion of what is an appropriate level of response to any given incident. So rather than mess up other threads, lets get all that angst out here.

I believe that two brigades should be the maximum initially turned out, with only one brigade being turned out for minor jobs (rubbish fires/car fires/etc). Of course under special circumstances like TFB's, or when there are known issues getting a truck out the door during certain times, then this may need to be amended. In EMA areas it seems like the standard SAMFS and the standard CFS response is initiated for the area, not taking into consideration that the other agency is responding resources - ending up with a billion trucks for a rubbish fire.

The other issue then is brigades sending multiple trucks. There has been more than one occasion when the bells have dropped on a training night, and every man and his dog has jumped onto a truck and gone. When you add in a couple of brigades doing this, once again, it just looks stupid.

So what do people think? Is the rampant over resourcing that is worsened by individual brigades an issue that needs to be addressed? Or is it just another case of the 'we're only volunteers' mentality - as much we kid ourselves about being professionals.

SA Firefighter General / Over responding to minor incidents

« on: March 04, 2008, 01:54:43 PM »

11:09:09 04-03-08 MFS: *CFSRES INC031 04/03/08 11:08,RESPOND Vehicle Fire,HEYSEN TUNNEL,ADELAIDE-CRAFERS HWY,TUNNELS MAP 132 E 16 TG182,UP TRACK PASSED TUNNEL EXIT,BURN19 STRL19 WDV243 ALDG00

The madness and stupidity continues!

All Equipment discussion / Whats in your pockets?

« on: March 02, 2008, 09:39:59 AM »

So, I know that this has probably been done before, but I'd like to see some decent and useful information on this forum for once.

So, what do you carry in you turnout gear? If you have a gear bag as well, what's in that? For once I'm interested to see what our SES pals carry

I'll get the ball rolling:

Helmet:
Flashhood
Ear plugs
Torch

PBI Turnout Coat:
Structural gloves
P2 Dust mask
Torch
2xShove Knives
Standard screwdriver
FIP Keys
Too many Nitrile gloves to count
Small notepad
Door Wedges

Lvl 1 Coat:
Bottle of H₂O
Goggles
Matches
Sunnies

Pbi Pants:
Short length of personal line
Torch
Rescue Knife
More nitrile gloves
Keyring Resuci-Mask

Lvl 1 Pants:
Bushfire Gloves
Nitrile Gloves

Edit: Brain fade

ALL Rescue / Rescuing the rescuers.

« on: January 08, 2008, 02:19:21 PM »

The CFS BA and Hazmat course both reinforce the principles of having two people(min) ready, at incidents, to effect the rescue of persons already involved in combating the incident.

This is great, yet it was never pointed out that you may need more than just people power to help others. There was no real discussion of tools/techniques to assist those trapped/disorientated.

What do you do in you brigade/group for this sort of thing?

Is the rescue crew outside sitting around with the thumb in their behind or do they have the necessary equipment on hand to rapidly effect the rescue of downed personnel? If so, what do they carry? Should different equipment be made standard stowage to allow properly equipped rescue teams?

Country Fire Service / Coroners Report on the Eyre Peninsula Bushfires

« on: December 18, 2007, 12:29:36 PM »

Well the coroners findings are finally out:

http://www.courts.sa.gov.au/courts/coroner/findings/findings_2007/wangary_bushfires.htm

They make for interesting reading...

Country Fire Service / Introduction of aerial appliances to the CFS

« on: December 17, 2007, 10:58:10 AM »

With rumours that the CFS are finally going to build a real fire appliance for Burnside, should they also look at introducing Aerial Appliances to areas that need them, or should this remain the domain of SAMFS?

An area like Mt. Barker for example, that has recently had a large number of housing developments, a very large commercial shopping complex built, and multiple long standing industrial complexes could most certainly do with Aerial Appliance.

Nothing like a Bronto, that can't work stand alone, but something like an MFS Skyjet, that can act as both a normal Pumper with urban stowage and a Aerial when needed. It would allow an area like Mt. Barker to have two Pumpers, one with rescue stowage, one with just urban firefighting stowage.

The flip side is, what to do about training, driving, license requirements etc. etc. It would be a large cost outlay for the CFS. Would it be better to just wait for the MFS to build a station in the area? Or should the CFS take a stand and attempt to try and deliver best service it can to the community with state of the art equipment?

Terrorism / Up to the minute Terrorism - In your house!

« on: December 15, 2007, 02:22:50 PM »

http://www.globalincidentmap.com/

An interesting site that I stumbled across today. It shows suspicious activity around the globe, relatively up to the minute.

Hypotheticals / Respond to an AFA showing fire...

« on: October 28, 2007, 10:48:16 PM »

Its 1314 on a Tuesday.

You are turned out to an AFA showing fire, at a 2 level residential block. The building is of brick, tile and concrete construction. 14 units total, 7 per floor. It has a secure underground car parking compound.

You are in a 34P with a crew of 4, 4xBA Trained.

You have a second brigade 10 minutes away in a 24P with 2x BA on board. They are responding.

You arrive to find no smoke issuing, the FIP showing alarm, west hallway, level 2. There are 9 people outside, having self evacuated upon the alarm activating. They are unable to provide any information about possible occupants. They report a strong smell of burning and light smoke at the end of the 2nd floor western hallway, near unit 14.

There is stair and elevator access to the second floor.

There is a 2in-2out Hydrant booster system for the building. It has internal hose reels, and external pillar hydrants. There is also a Sprinkler booster system for the underground carpark.

What do you do?

If you need any information, post questions and they will be answered.

All Equipment discussion / Boosters, Type 2 Pumpers and 34P's

« on: October 28, 2007, 10:05:11 PM »

A quick few questions.

What diameter is the Storz collector on the Type 2 Pumpers and the 34p's?

What diameter suction hoses are your Type 2 and 34'p stowed with?

What diameter Storz fittings are your local booster sytems static supplies?

Cheers!

SA Firefighter General / Moevember

« on: October 28, 2007, 03:57:55 PM »

So in the fantastic tradition of big manly firemen, its that time of year again to grow a mustache! Whos in?

Don't forget to adhere to your agencies facial hair specifications!

SA Firefighter General / Differing Fire Service Methods, and Results - a.k.a FDNY vs. Australian LODD

« on: September 25, 2007, 02:54:37 PM »

Ok, well, so we don't drag this of track:

http://www.safirefighter.com/boards/index.php?topic=1088.225

Lets resume discussion here:

Quote from: RescueHazmat on September 24, 2007, 11:57:59 AM

Quote from: Darius on September 24, 2007, 09:51:41 AM
Quote from: RescueHazmat on September 24, 2007, 12:20:48 AM
Do you know how many 'working' fires they have every day, yet alone yearly? If Australian services even saw a 10th of that action, our LODD rate would be alot higher as well.

do you? and would it?
What are the figures? (ie. deaths per number of incidents both for Australia and the USA and for other fire services around the world)

Before we go to the wider USA, lets start with New York, the largest Fire and EMS provider in the USA. New York, has a population of over 8 Million people, covering a little over 320 sq miles of response area. (This includes Manhattan, Brooklyn, The Bronx, Queens and Staten Island)

(The Fire Statistics, not EMS) Last year (2006) the FDNY went to 7,049 confirmed structural fires in New York. 3,243 being working fires. (2,971 being 'All Hands', 202 being 2nd alarm, 45 being 3rd alarm, 16 being 4th alarm and 9 being 5th alarm or higher).

The FDNY went to 20,702 Non-structural fires (Brush, Rubbish or vehicle fires), 198,202 non fire related responses (Utility emergencys or any response non fire and non medical, eg Odour of Gas), and 28,836 AFA's/MFA's (Alarms or calls where no one / incident was present on arrival) And just for info they went to 209,397 EMS runs.

The latest Fatality chart I have for the FDNY is 2000. Unfortunately it is a Civillian Fatality Chart. The fatality count peaked between 1965 - 1980. These were the times when nightly minimum of multiple 2 bell fires were occuring in the Bronx/Harlem Borough. However doing the sums and averaging it since 1947 the yearly Civ. Fatality count hovered just under the 200 mark. (Thats just the average, and isnt correct to this day as I do not have the stats from 2000 - 2006, it hasn't been as high as 200 high since 1990, with exception to 2001. - LEave it with me and I will try and find the LODD Fatality Charts.

-Those are just the stats of New York. LA are on a similar trend with one of the downtown companys turning the wheel nearly 60 times a day. I can research stats for another 50 states, however believe the common trend in regards to working fires, speaks for itself. Our American Counterparts do have a higher LODD rate compared to us, and I believe the incident statistics show why this may be so. Im not talking about their methods, their training or the way they do things, but just going on statistics, with such a higher number of incidents being attended, it is understandable why their LODD rate/count is higher than our.

May I just add, to all those Lost in the Line of Duty, Rest In Peace.

Quote from: Darius on September 25, 2007, 10:04:01 AM

Quote from: RescueHazmat on September 24, 2007, 11:57:59 AM
Before we go to the wider USA, lets start with New York

These statistics are not all nicely published somewhere then I take it? (cos they should be)

So just for New York, in 2006 they attended 254789 incidents (including the false alarms etc since they count as incidents). And in 2000 they had approx 200 "civilian" fatilities (what does that mean? is that firefighters or not? if not, then it's not the figure we're after) for the year. And we are comparing different years here 2006 vs 2000. However ignoring all that for the moment and just going on those figures you provided, that makes 1 death per 1274 incidents for New York alone.

If it's too hard to work out all of the USA then assume New York is the busiest in the USA and just compare that to Sydney (and to London say).

Quote from: RescueHazmat on September 25, 2007, 11:38:00 AM

If you read my first comment, I said give me some time and I will attempt to find the 2006 LODD charts. - I only gave the Civillian (non service member) figures just for some general information.

And you are correct, the information isn't 'nicely published' anywhere, and unlike people who just fly off the hip with statements at least im trying to account to mine with some factual evidence.

I will PM you the results if you wish, as this thread (at the moment) isn't fitting for what we are talking about. - And to make it easier, we will go NY vs AUS busiest fire service, im guessing NSW..?

Ok, so to add some figures for incidents attended by Aussie fire services 05/06:

NSWFB: 192,241
QFRS: 60,270 (04/05 Stats, also includes Emergency Medical Response)
MFSB: Approx 33,000 (Includes Emergency Medical Response)
SAMFS: 24,054 (Includes around 2500 CFS/SES dispatches)
TFS: 10,183
FESA: 9,963 (Includes some SES RCR turnouts)
NTFRS: 6,229

Once I get back from work, I'll try to grab the injury numbers as well...

Terrorism / APEC

« on: September 02, 2007, 11:25:00 AM »

So how about we start a book on the odds of a Terror attack during APEC?

I want to know:

WHAT
WHERE
WHO
WHY

Ill start!

WHAT: Release of Venezuelan Equine Encephalitis
WHERE: On the public transport system (eg: Trains) for maximum casualties.
WHO: Racing New South Wales, led by known radical Peter V'Landys
WHY: To highlight the impact of Equine Influenza on the nation, and the plight of those horses infected.

Enjoy!

All Equipment discussion / StabFast

« on: August 18, 2007, 05:48:22 PM »

So as to not take the SES thread too far off topic:

How is the StabFast better/different than either the FARA Side stabilizer, Holton Foot, or Imporvised Holton foot?

From the pics here: http://www.safirefighter.com/boards/index.php?topic=825.msg29881#msg29881

It appears as though the straps are on magnets? To be adhered to any metallic surface..?

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