SA Firefighter

We push push push, but we don't have several hundred thousand in our account, so we can only push so far.

This isn't the worst idea, but needs to be looked at very carefully, and SHOULD NOT be seen as a one size fits all truck, NOT a hazmat truck, NOT an RCR truck, just a jump in and go to the fire vehicle. Hose, BA, and a decent pump.
I would hope brigades won't accept this to do the jobs of a full size rescue/hazmat pumper.

 Wait till you have to operate one of these small appliances at a reasonably busy brigade not good mate!

 I'd like to see one pumper fit all obviously it would probably fail with carrying HAZMAT gear but why not have a good general pumper design with decent stowage, hoses, pump and room for rescue gear. Possibly you could have a reduced HAZMAT storage on there for the HAZMAT brigades instead of the rescue gear.

What ever happened to having a standardized fleet like other fire services?
If we build the same thing for all brigades that require pumpers would not that make sense?

The wheel just seems to spin around not long ago we tried these small pumpers and years before that some 15+ years ago we had rescue vans. Infrastructure and Logistics in CFS HQ are not coming up with any innovations they are just going in circles.

 Give me a good reason for not building decent size pumpers?

I'm not having a go I'm just throwing it out there!

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WTF??? No wonder CFS looks like a backyard operation putting local footy scores on pager system. Who took their string and cans away!

Fair call tree down to me usually means the issue is the tree not the motorcyclist of vehicle caught under it. Just goes to show you gotta read the whole damn message!
 

Mike Rann is just a member of Salisbury CFS a political game to keep that station alive!

 

Quote from: bittenyakka on September 13, 2009, 11:16:44 PM

a box alarm is "drop the box" / kinda going fire right?

I could be wrong Bittenyakka but I'm pretty sure a box alarm is an American version of our manual call point's that you find attached to some monitored systems they are inside and outside on the street in NY and years ago they were connected to the telegraph system.

Further to this I think they account for most of their MFA's!

i wonder if Rainer, Mike et al have been on the phone again

VFBA?.....is that you i hear in the media <sounds of crickets chirping followed by silence>

Exactly the VFBA is a bunch of old toothless tigers if they had their way we would still be only going to rural fires! Hence why they don't push for paid CFS fire stations...

As for the CFS managers in town as if they would stand up to the Government ministers they answer to.

CFS staff do produce risk assessments on all new appliances and equipment they have. From there the Fire Ground Practices are written and training modules are developed to capture the elements of competency required. Example the reciprocating saws!

Nothing is stopping individual brigades from doing risk assessments does not every brigade have and OHS&W rep?

I'm not going to hightlight Bridgewater with their rope rescue aspirations as I don't fully know their stance and what they're up to.

 I've seen brigades go and buy PPV fans and disc cutters with no formal training. The training is done in house and does not really meet any training frameworks and off they go down the street and use this gear. With Region having no idea they have this equipment.

As for having the guts to go out and buy and use this equipment in such a way you need to take the emotion out of the argument and consider the "What ifs" like injuries and possible fatalities from using equipment without proper training (initial and skills maintenance), knowledge on the fireground and proper maintenance knowledge of this equipment.

All I am trying to get across is, brigades that can afford resources outside of the normal equipment issue have they considered is it going to benefit the community they respond in, will it aid other brigades and other emergency services in there area. Will we have funding in the future for initial and re-accreditation training, equipment replacement. Did they consult the chain of command?

You get this wrong and you'll be hung out by CFS management above and you'll be fair game for inspectors from Safework SA.

One thing we can't argue about is the passion for the job from CFS guys!

Quote from: boredmatrix on August 31, 2009, 05:48:45 PM

asked when needed most?  - like what exactly? 

Besides having the ability to tarp up houses, stabilise a structure or sandbag - their only other talents seem to extend to mass meal production and management during fires....but that seems to be only after its been declared a major incident and the purse strings are open.....

noooo bad Boredy....SES gave that job to the Salvos a few years back....and Spamelot Castle was born they do however graciously deliver meals to us out in the hero zone occasionally, which is always appreciated

"Deliver meals into the hero zone" that has to be the biggest gong beater comment of the year!

Ah one should look in before one looks out!

Plenty wrong with the CFS for example brigades having group responses to some incidents when they should not, so another station in the group can keep there numbers up. Brigades sending everything out of their stations to some incidents instead of having a justified and tactical response. Brigades doing their own thing when it comes to buying equipment. Brigades attending incidents with out the right crew for the given task instead of defaulting to the next nearest brigade. Brigade members doing tasks at incidents they're not trained for!

I'm not saying the SES is perfect but neither is the CFS when you put it under the microscope.

Plenty of times my station has been responded to vehicles into houses, trees down and once we have dealt with the possible inital rescue, securing the scene or the cutting up of the tree is going to be a prolonged task we hand it over to our local SES brigade, that arrives in a timely manner not under lights and sirens and gets on with it. Why you ask so our resources can be free for any other incident that our appliances can be used for that requires a response.

How I love listening to Mong's bang on about what other services are doing!

Looks like the new homes are well over due for SAMFS and SACFS. Good to see them get new stations!

Bundy....yeah actually they do, and many of the hills Brigades have similar issues....big 2 or 3 story homes cut into the side of a hill....access to the roof one side isnt too bad....the other, big drop off on the low side.

Yeah fair enough Crashndash thats working at heights not a rope rescue job!

Naracoorte and Robe will be doing it this weekend at STC,as both these brigades are rope rescue brigade's,I think and I am sure someone will correct me there are only 7/9 approved rope rescue brigade's within CFS.

Bill will CFS be trained in the single 11mm rope system SES use or the twin 13mm rope system SAMFS use?