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Technical Discussion => ALL Rescue => Topic started by: 2090 on October 19, 2006, 02:57:35 PM
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With the old guidelines of having a distinction between 'Heavy Rescue' and 'Rescue' resources now gone, I was wondering if anyone here who has been around a while knew how many brigades were 'Heavy Rescue' qualified. I read an old Volunteer magazine that said something along the lines of "Virginia and Stirling have upgraded to Heavy Rescue, with some other brigades to follow". What other brigades ended up being 'Heavy Rescue'?
On TAS there appears to have also been an old 'Heavy Rescue' course. Did this differ from the current RCR course in some ways? Was there any differences between 'Heavy Rescue' and 'Rescue' resources, apart from the amount of equipment carried?
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I am only going by what my old captain told my only that heavy rcr is for truck Rescue but it can be used for car Rescue as well
but i might not be wrong. :-D
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Unless you *only* carry RIT equipment, I believe you would be classified as a heavy rescue, resource.
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mmm i dont think theres any real "heavy" rescue or not anymore, as in brigade/unit status... (of course there are differances in classes of equipment)
your either rescue or you aint.
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Yes I know that 'Heavy Rescue' does not exist anymore, I was asking in reference to how it used to be. With the old version of the RCR Resource Directory, you could have the 1st/2nd and Heavy Rescue Response all being a different brigade. Now you just have two brigades for 1st/2nd rescue. As you said medevac, you're either a rescue resource, or you're not.
Im just tying to find out how it used to be, and thus is there are brigades out there that carry well above the current required rescue stowage due them previously being 'Heavy Rescue'.
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Once upon a time, not that long ago, there were two standards for equipming RCR response vehicles - light or standard rescue could be hand operated, with smaller tools and heavy rescue was hydraulic, with larger tools - i.e. with greater tool capability - power, pressure etc.
Now at last we see one recognised minimum standard for RCR kits - brigades or units can go beyond that but there is at least a minimum.
Interesting though - the standard does not specify the capacity of the equipment force - i.e. difference in hydraulic output, therfore preasure and strength which means different vehicles still caryy different equipment - reduces interoperability!
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So in a current rescue what do you get? I assume that all rescue brigades don't get a full complement of rams and everything else.
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From Medevac, in another thread, this is the minimum list from the RCR Resource Diectory:
-hydraulic power unit
-heavy cutters
-heavy spreaders (double acting)
-300mm ram
-600mm ram
-2x10m hydraulic hoses minimum
-pulling chains or belts for spreaders
-auxillary pump
-generator, lighting
-general hand tools
-hazard cones and lights
-cribbing blocks and wedges (stabilisation gear)
This is really nothing compared to what some brigades carry. Multiple rams, multiple sizes of cutters, multiple spreader arms/tips, Tirfors, multiple airbags plus heavy duty stabilisation/shoring equip.
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Thanks :lol:
what thread was that
So even though there no longer is direct heavy and light some brigades Stirling carry more equipement.
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FYI: Strathalbyn CFS now carries a Lucas Combitool on its 24P as well as a full Rapid Intervention kit to back up Strath SES heavy rescue.
The combitool replaces their 20+ year old set of FAG Lucas rescue gear.
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I believe the definition of heavy rescue is now being split into more defined areas.
For example, a USAR level 2 course is being run during the past three weeks in Adelaide. SAAS, SES and MFS members in attendance.
I understand that they are completing a 36 hour exercise Thursday & Friday as part of the end of the course.
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"FYI: Strathalbyn CFS now carries a Lucas Combitool on its 24P as well as a full Rapid Intervention kit to back up Strath SES heavy rescue.
The combitool replaces their 20+ year old set of FAG Lucas rescue gear."
A Combi tool would be the way to go as back up rescue for heavy rescue. Less Locker room and still get the job done.
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Would like to know how they got that.....
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would like to know why they got that, would be the more appropriate question...
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SES struggle really bad to man their rescue truck in Strath so they were given that to start rescue's in case SES were delayed in responding not a bad idea??
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but you should have only got the combi tool and nothing else,I know remote area brigades would like to also have a combi tool so as to cover area when rescue is well out of the area as back up is too far away and you wont get anyone to do a coq while rescue is out of the group area...
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I believe the gear was initially supplied to Strath for forced entry, as they are not RCR (Green Book), although they are still listed as RCR in the CFS regional directory. In reality, it was done so their crews could maintain RCR capabilities.
The SES have a local service agreement to respond CFS to any RCR to ensure adequate response. There have been a lot of accidents down that way requiring the extra gear lately, and has ment a start could be made while the 2nd response rescue was on its way.
From what i am told it seems to have its good and bad points. SES are still the lead agency and utilise the resources around them to do the job in a timely manner (as we would expect everything is extremely professional and well done in the field).
However, the CFS seem to be a little narrow minded, and dont want to utilise the SES equipment for decent training.
Well done to the guys down that way for overcoming a problem for the better of the community and in a professional manner
* Other opinions reserved for the moment *
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Forced entry to what??????
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* Other opinions reserved for the moment *
;) :evil: ;)
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Forced entry to what??????
Tools can be used to force entry on structures etc.. anything where hydraulic intervention can be utilized..
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I agree with mundcfs about the cfs supplying rcr crew to the ses when they cant crew or only roll with one or two crew (so i hear) I think that forced entry would cover vehicles also, not just gates or shed doors. I think the ses should be thankfull that the cfs has Nationally accredited trained crew that is willing to help out.
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I think the ses should be thankfull that the cfs has Nationally accredited trained crew that is willing to help out.
Well, interestingly enough, neither service recognises the National Accreditation, (I know SES isnt an RTO yet, but they are already teaching the modules). Heard rumour that CFS is considering dropping national accredited courses because it hasnt had the desired effect of standardisation.
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my understanding is there is three grades to rcr rescue
there is heavy rescue
light rescue
and rapid intervention
most cfs have light rescue gear 27 tone cutters and spreaders
we have both and are one of only 7 heavy rescue in the ses im not sure who has what in cfs but i belive that only a few cfs will have heavy rescue gear
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No such thing as three grades, well at least in terms of CFS and the Green Book.
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Your either Rapid Intervention or Heavy.
We run lukas and i think our cutters are 45tonnes at the tip unsure of spreaders?
There are a couple of CFS brigades that upgraded to the really powerful stuff like Virginia?
Most of the Lukas stuff is heavy, what CFS origianlly bought was good and i think there was only one model of speaders and cutters above what they bought and they just opened a little farther and had a few more tonnes of cutting/spreading force but not much more.
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our cutters and spreaders are 70 odd tone at the tip and are deamed "heavey rescue" or gear is bigger then eudunda nuri and hamley bridge we also have hte smaller cutters and spreaders however we dont use them if we have to do rescue we use the big ones cuts in to a VE quite nicely unlike nuri who broke there gear on a VE
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Newer car's are being built with stronger framework material, so yes a lot of current RCR gear will have to be upgraded to suit.
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Your either Rapid Intervention or Heavy.
realistically these days i think its more a case of 'your either rescue or your not'..
the briagdes that carry rapid intervention, may have that gear and trained operators.. but according to the book there not rescue anyway...so they will always get responded with a full rescue brigade...
rapid intervention may get there first and get to work though...
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our cutters and spreaders are 70 odd tone at the tip and are deamed "heavey rescue" or gear is bigger then eudunda nuri and hamley bridge we also have hte smaller cutters and spreaders however we dont use them if we have to do rescue we use the big ones cuts in to a VE quite nicely unlike nuri who broke there gear on a VE
Which tools do you use? - Even Holmatro's brand new 4280 Spreaders have a max spreading force of 58,000lbs (26,083 kg) at the back of the tips...
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i think we have lukus is our big gear im not sure i always get confused with the two sets of gear i know its not holmatro but i know that the cutting and spreding power is 70 tonne on the big gear and 27 tonne on the small gear the big gear is good but is heavy and takes alot of effort to use it just liffting the gear out of its cradel is hard work i have training tonight will have a look and get details
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Could be industrial spreaders... - But if not Holmatro I would guess Lukas or Hurst...
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I'd be interested to see what you're using, as well sesrcr, as as far as I know, Lukas have a single spreader spreading around 46tonne, or 101,000lbs but thats the highest spread force I've seen.... have you got really really old gear?
Unless you're talking about shears, in which 70tonne cutting force, ain't that special, Holmatro produce shears that have 94tonne cutting force, 70 is pretty average.
And yes, looked at FAG, Lukas, Hurst, TNT and Holmatro.
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Yeah sheers were my next question, I know of a Holmatro tool which has 208,000lbs cutting force (at the cutting notch).. - Believe its the 4050
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As i said in previous posts, the standard lukas stuff that CFS bought was only one step down from the biggest they make and the cutting spreading force wasn't much more just an extra 5kgs of weight and a few extra cm's in opening width. I think we run ls 330 cutters can't remeber what the spreaders are.
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we have not come across any thing that we cant cut thru the ger is big heavy and a pian to use its only a year old we are one of seven SES RCR units that have this gear dont quote me on this but i think its mainly for trucks and buses etc thick and heavy frams they are not sheers the big gear is three times the size of our small gear
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All standard SES Hydraulic gear is rated to 35T. Selected units have had the cutters upgraded to 70T to deal with the VE Commodore (pillars). This will be expanded as funds allow. Spreaders currently have no need to be replaced. as hinges have not been upgraded.
However, units that have been upgraded are not refered to any differently than those carrying 35T gear.
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So my question is still current.. What type/model of spreading tools are giving you 70 TON of spreading force at the tips, sesrcr ? .. And what Hydraulic pump are you running?
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Short answer is none. SES RCR units are issued the Lukas LSP40 EN spreaders.Spreading force up to 230(51,700)kN(lbs), Squeezing force (with squeezing attachment) up to 110(24,700)kN(lbs). The confusion comes from the new issue Cutters that have been issued to some units. They are the Lukas 501 EN cutters, they have a Cutting force up to 680 (152,900) kN (lbs)i.e 70 Tonnes. Units are issued their major equipment by state HQ & the above equipment plus a Trimo pump & LZR 12 Ram. This equipment plus the Stabfast stabilization gear is the standard issue for SES RCR units however please note that not all units have this gear yet due to the costs. I was fortunate enough to have been part of the unit which trialled this gear, houses the Road Crash training truck & the controller is a lead trainer and member of the RCR subject matter advisory group. The SMAG settled on the above equipment level (personally I find the 501 cutters a bit of overkill for the unit I'm now in charge of - if I needed the heavy cutters just need to call one of the three neighbouring units, but you never knock anything back). We also have back up sets of various kinds. In closing it would be great if people check their facts prior to making such statements as it is embarrassing for our service. Hope this clears up any mis information RescueHazmat & Mundcfs I personally think the LS330's are great (I might actually have a set on my quick response - I did say might :-D) cheers
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Thanks for clearing that up Chook..
You said it in one with In closing it would be great if people check their facts prior to making such statements as it is embarrassing for our service.
.. - For the last month I assumed that SESRCR units all had 70 ton (capable) tools.. - Again, thanks for the clear up!
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I would have thought they term 'heavy rescue' would be given to units/brigades that could lift trains and things with 100t rams etc.
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Its an old term to seperate RCR teams that had combitools instead of "proper" RCR equipment(spreaders, cutters, rams).
Some CFS & MFS trucks carry combitools as part of their RIT(fire) kit, but under the RCR directory they don't count as a RCR resource.
Therefore if your unit/brigade/station does not have cutters, spreaders and ram then you are not equipped to do primary RCR response. However its not enforced across the 3 services as rigidly as it should.
It has been an on going topic of discussion, by the way SESSA used to refer to Heavy rescue as the type of rescue that required more than you can carry on your back!
If you come over here you will get used to all of this stuff (the green book - RCR directory).
Not sure about Central region but most of East region has Lukas Trimo, 501 Cutters, 44 Spreaders and either a short ram or both a short & long ram, Stabfast stabilisers & other gear including recipros.
Hope this helps cheers
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Some MFS stations are designated as secondary rescue for cetain towns. Some of these are only equipped with a combi tool and maybe a set of cutters. When these tools get used for jobs they are not designed for and hence maybe get damaged, there is a please explain. There are of course times when there are multiple MVA`s or multiple entrapments. The worm is starting to turn though and some newer, heavier gear is starting to filter through.
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Good as I have said previously in other posts, my secondary response is SAMFS however the gear they have doesn't meet the standard. So in my mind if secondary response is required I would call the closest SES unit as I know they have the gear & people.
If however all I need is more people then I would consider SAMFS, sadly however this may cause a whole heap of problems politically that I would need to consider(would they use this as ammunition against us?, would their CFS counterparts get upset calling SAMFS to assist in a CFS area? Would my counterparts get upset calling SAMFS to assist instead of them?). Unfortunately the area covered by the local SAMFS station is tiny & in the past the 3 local organisations didn't play nice. This is changing however, so if they get new pumps, spreaders & cutters instead of rapid intervention gear then it would be a no brainer, use SAMFS as they meet the standard & are the closest resource - so I would have to follow the directory wouldn't I? :wink:
The other solution is of course delist them from the directory, which would be cheaper. We don't do a lot of extracations here, we are mainly backup for the other towns so I guess someone would really need to look at each station on a case by case basis before committing more expensive equipment to a particular area.
Thanks for the info though & hopefully the answers will be known soon :wink:
cheers
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Are hydraulic rescue tools equally suitable for left- and right-handed people?
What should I pay special attention to when comparing different brands of hydraulic spreaders? Many brochures state very high spreading forces.
How can I measure the maximum cutting force in kN of a hydraulic cutter or combitool?
In practice, what does a cutting force in kN really tell me?
I often find statements from manufacturers concerning the thickness of round bar or flat bar their tools cut. How do I know a tool really cuts what the manufacturer claims it can cut?
Often the specifications of cutters and combitools state the thickness of material profiles the tool can cut, e.g. 32 mm round bar. On what materials should these cutting values be based?
When I buy new hydraulic rescue tools, what do I have to pay attention to regarding new car technologies?
What international norms should I look out for when deciding on the purchase of new rescue equipment?
What does CE have to do with the new European norm for hydraulic rescue equipment?
Why are there so many different blade types for cutters, e.g. straight blades, parrot type blades or straight blades with a curved tip?
When a tool is pressurised, is it safe to put it on the ground?
Is it possible to disconnect tools without switching off the pump?
With the advent of dual stage airbags it is no longer safe to presume an airbag is safe purely due to the fact that it has detonated before arrival. With dual-stage airbags, the magnitude of the impact determines the amount of gas released. The opportunity now exists that airbags may well still re-detonate with a second amount of gas later during rescue efforts.
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In some locations taking the MFS out of the resource for rescue is not really an option. There are places where the SES are primary rescue, MFS secondary and the next nearest CFS/SES rescue is 50 plus km away.
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The RCRD is based on Heavy Rescue and not appliances with RIV tools,but any resources which are closer can at least make a start to effect a rescue prior to arrival of Heavy Rescue
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would their CFS counterparts get upset calling SAMFS to assist in a CFS area?
Chook if the CFS are called in for Fire cover in there area and you needed extra resources for Rescue then possable there could be possable no problem, also you will need to speak to them out there and see.
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Yep understand that, that is why a station by station needs audit is required.
Up here that is not an issue, we have as some might say an over supply of heavy cutting/spreading equipment. Its just not under a fire service control, thats why I have started a new thread on the Victorian way of doing things.
Other stations would of course have a need, it is the same as the second response SES units in SAMFS/CFS areas. Do they have the right gear?, are they adequately trained?
SA Firey I can't answer all of your questions:-
I do know the new Lukas coupling connects & disconnects at full pressure (I've played with it).
Yes there is a difference between blades:- some very experienced Vollie RCR people in SES don't like my LS330 cutters (they call them USAR cutters). Yet PT hydraulics say there is nothing wrong with them for the type of work we do.
I actually was happy to keep my other 330's instead of getting 501's (send the 501's to a more needy unit was my response).
The parrot beak (501)is supposed to draw the material into the pivot bolt where the most force is generated. They (330 & 501's) do perform differently, I find the 501's tend to "twist" more, however the serrated edge on the 330's can cause jamming - not often but I have had it happen (pivot bolt was a at the correct torque).
The bar is a standard material - steel, what the standard is I don't know :-(
Lukas do make a rotating handle for their cutters(its an extra)
Our service actually tested the 501's on some of the new technology stuff - as we don't have lots of money we can't afford to make mistakes.
The answers to a lot of the questions you ask can be found with in the Lukas/Hurst operating manuals. I'm not sure why we use Lukas instead of Holmatro, can't be pricing :wink: And finally I would swap my 330's for a set of LKS35 EN combitool as my back up set or even better keep my 330's as well :-D
Like everything I guess its horses for courses - but I haven't come across anything that Lukas can't handle.
Great questions
On the question of would there be conflict - don't know thats why it was a question, however there has been issues in the past hopefully we have all moved on.
Yep of course a start can be made (refer to the Victorian solution), however if the second response is listed in the RCRD then shouldn't be equipped with the same standard of equipment?
cheers
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SA Firey... The point of the choppy re post of Holmatro CU 4050 specs and the FAQ is lost on me...
Everyone seems to look on Combi Tools as the devil, yet for most Car/light truck accidents that are straightforward (EG: A huge proportion of normal rescue work) they do the job fine.
Give me a Combi Tool, ram + extension tube and you can open a car up fine. Door removal, roof flaps/removal, dash rolls, third door conversions, etc etc, are all possible.[
Some CFS & MFS trucks carry combitools as part of their RIT(fire) kit, but under the RCR directory they don't count as a RCR resource.
The fire appliances that carry RIK gear do so as a stop gap measure for RCR coverage. Some areas (CFS) that have a high number of vehicle accidents have a Rescue resource with other nearby brigade carrying RIK equipment. As for MFS I believe its so that they can effect extractions while their rescue appliances are otherwise engaged.
Don't get RCR Rapid Intervention and Structure fire Rapid Intervention Teams confused. Slightly (or VERY) different things. Combi tools and the like are primarily for RCR but have a plethora of other uses in everyday firefighting and rescue. No need to get tunnel vision about equipment usage ;)
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SA Firey... The point of the choppy re post of Holmatro CU 4050 specs and the FAQ is lost on me...
Chook and 6739264, the post was adding to the topic about strength of tools etc, and yes a combi tool will do the work quite nicely like Stirling's Hurst gear while I was there. Th FAQ are not my queries but for the info of any others who want some answers.I have been a member of an RCR brigade :wink:
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Yep I guessed that :-D
I personally have no issues with combitools - as I said I want one! (note those from SHQ who read these :wink:).
The point is the RCRD states "Heavy Rescue Equipment" & highlights combitools as "not suitable". If the gear is ok, change the directory. If not issue the correct gear! - simple!
This is why people (including myself) get confused!
If combitools are ok for one service & based on need (risk)& near by resources, I could trade my RCR truck for a general rescue one(4x4 would be nice), loose a couple of trailers, use my Rodeo (or get a modified F250)as primary RCR, send back my third vehicle, save the service a small fortune and everything is sweet!
But now back to the real world, unfortunately someone has deemed that to be RCR you must have separate hydraulic tools, its the same logic that says "20 CFM capable compressor" when only 3 phase and big petrol compressors can supply that much air and the new air hydraulic pumps (I have two as back ups)from one manufacturer run on 7.5 CFM & tradies use similar size compressors! I'm not sure of the reasons why, its just the way it is.
cheers
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chook we have just bought a combi tool it hasn't arrived as yet we got it with fund raising it will be on our 31 i think but we can chuck it in the cruiser if we don't have a truck driver. also use it when we cant get our truck close enough so at least we can get entry while we get our gear to the site.
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How much? new or second hand? What do you power it with?
How did you get away with it? I bought the 330's last year when we got the 501's got fingers smacked :-D.
cheers
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you can get anything you like as long as it isn't with your budget we worked hard to get the cash to buy it out right il get the details from the boss and send them on if you like. we got second hand recondition ex NSW fire service i think we also got a pump to go with it. we got it now as they want to mount all RCR pumps and hoses to the trucks and being 2wd trucks we cant always get in to paddocks as you would know so we can buy time till we can get our heavy gear close to the site
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Yep we have the same issue, hence the 330's (didn't come from budget either).
We use air hydraulic to drive them, hence the need for compressors.
We have also put a fix in for truck mounted equipment, it involves extra hose reels but.
Anyway thanks
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The point is the RCRD states "Heavy Rescue Equipment" & highlights combitools as "not suitable". If the gear is ok, change the directory. If not issue the correct gear! - simple!
This is why people (including myself) get confused!
If combitools are ok for one service & based on need (risk)& near by resources, I could trade my RCR truck for a general rescue one(4x4 would be nice), loose a couple of trailers, use my Rodeo (or get a modified F250)as primary RCR, send back my third vehicle, save the service a small fortune and everything is sweet!
But now back to the real world, unfortunately someone has deemed that to be RCR you must have separate hydraulic tools, its the same logic that says "20 CFM capable compressor" when only 3 phase and big petrol compressors can supply that much air and the new air hydraulic pumps (I have two as back ups)from one manufacturer run on 7.5 CFM & tradies use similar size compressors! I'm not sure of the reasons why, its just the way it is.
cheers
There is nothing wrong with having a set standard of equipment that is for an 'RCR Resource'. Combi tools/Cutters/Spreader all have their benefits and drawbacks. They all have a time and a place to be used. Its the same things with the differing forms of hydraulic pumps. Have you used those air/hydraulic pumps you use as back up chook? You must know and be able to see the output is far less than the larger petrol powered pumps, and they chew cylinders like theres no tomorrow.
You seem to be so bent out of shape about the fact that a SAMFS pump has a combi tool on it and is designated as second rescue into your area. I agree that they should be re equipped or turfed out of the directory, but whining here about it and using your local experience as guide for the rest of the state will get you nowhere.
To be honest, I say bring back the days of a clear distinction between Light Rescue and Heavy Rescue.
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To be honest, I say bring back the days of a clear distinction between Light Rescue and Heavy Rescue.
Amen to that :-)
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Answer to the first Yes we have - slow but have their place & haven't had a problem with cylinders.
Answer to the statement on whining - no making a statement!
And no not comparing here with the rest of the state - remember case by case?
But from where I sit I don't personally care! I will keep on going against the RCRD and when someone from the fire services has a go at me for doing just that, well I will just point them to the Green book and they can sought it out as I have given up trying.
It seems that there are different standards & until such time as someone in authority takes these issues seriously then making comment on such is a waist of time :-(
cheers
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Chook
You seem to be so bent out of shape about the fact that a SAMFS pump has a combi tool on it and is designated as second rescue into your area. I agree that they should be re equipped...How many vehicle accidents have you been to that requires us to use heavy tools.......HONESTLY.. we are manly fire coverage
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Hardly any with this unit, due to location & in all honesty as I said I would be happy with small lighter tools as we don't really need the Trimo motor 44 spreaders & the 501's. A combitool, my 330's and the small Simo that Pinnaroo have would be adequate. I know that 3 (or more :wink:)sets of "Heavy gear" are less than 30 km's away.
I don't particularly care what the local fire/rescue carries, all I'm asking for is consistency (I know I've said this a few times before :-D).
This was not meant to be a criticism of the local guys (eventhough some think it is), its not even a critcism of SAMFS as such - its having a go at a set of standards that have a list of equipment that in reality may not be required by all. And of course the people who decided that took the gear away in the first place. And yes there should be still a "light rescue".
Anyway I'm sorry if I caused offence & I think I've said enough on this subject, so until the next one cheers :-D
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could someone let me know if this is true but i have heard on the grapevine that strathalbyn cfs have now got a full rcr kit. could someone set me straight
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12 month old threads FTW ..
Im sure alot has changed since this time last year..
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i'm not the expert in that Matt, but I'm pretty sure they have. South Coast SES have been having some crewing issues I think, and more and more the CFS are doing the work.
Happy to be corrected
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South Coast is at Port Elliot (and yes are veeeery slow out the door) but i think you'll find that strath SES have or did have crewing issues and last time i saw Strath CFS had a brand new set of Holmatro Rapid intervention tools.
Possible that they have been upgraded though.
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could someone let me know if this is true but i have heard on the grapevine that strathalbyn cfs have now got a full rcr kit. could someone set me straight
Not sure where you heard that one matt? I take it that by 'full' you mean 'heavy rescue' plus the 19 designation?
Strath CFS have not been upgraded to a 'heavy rescue' brigade - at this stage anyway.
They still run a Lukas combi tool and single stage ram with full RCR stowage on their 24P and have done so for a bit over 2 years now. Before then they ran 20+ year old FAG Lukas cutters and spreaders with an incomplete RCR stowage. The Combi tool was purchased by CFS (state or region) to replace their very much out-dated hydraulics, however the rest of the kit was updated via Group funding.
Strath CFS are currently responded to any MVA within their groups area (except Blackfellows Creek which is covered by Meadows CFS) to which there are reported, possible or unknown entrapments. They respond their 24P as a 'secondary rescue appliance' along with the local brigade for fire cover and Strath SES - who are the recognised primary rescue resource for the area.
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could someone let me know if this is true but i have heard on the grapevine that strathalbyn cfs have now got a full rcr kit. could someone set me straight
Not sure where you heard that one matt? I take it that by 'full' you mean 'heavy rescue' plus the 19 designation?
Strath CFS have not been upgraded to a 'heavy rescue' brigade - at this stage anyway.
They still run a Lukas combi tool and single stage ram with full RCR stowage on their 24P and have done so for a bit over 2 years now. Before then they ran 20+ year old FAG Lukas cutters and spreaders with an incomplete RCR stowage.
Ah, I would have thought that by 'full' he meant "Rescue Stowage" as per the Green Book. Nothing about Heavy Rescue there...
Dare I ask how you can call a Combitool and a single stage ram 'full RCR Stowage'
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could someone let me know if this is true but i have heard on the grapevine that strathalbyn cfs have now got a full rcr kit. could someone set me straight
Not sure where you heard that one matt? I take it that by 'full' you mean 'heavy rescue' plus the 19 designation?
Strath CFS have not been upgraded to a 'heavy rescue' brigade - at this stage anyway.
They still run a Lukas combi tool and single stage ram with full RCR stowage on their 24P and have done so for a bit over 2 years now. Before then they ran 20+ year old FAG Lukas cutters and spreaders with an incomplete RCR stowage.
Ah, I would have thought that by 'full' he meant "Rescue Stowage" as per the Green Book. Nothing about Heavy Rescue there...
Dare I ask how you can call a Combitool and a single stage ram 'full RCR Stowage'
Sorry, a misunderstanding here...
By "full RCR stowage" I meant everything as per the Green Book excluding hydraulics.
So to the orginial question, yes Strath CFS carry a full RCR kit on their 24P but in terms of hydraulic tools, they only run a combitool and single stage ram.
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Will CFS build any more stand alone rescues, that is the question.
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Will CFS build any more stand alone rescues, that is the question.
No, they won't. That is the answer.
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they should buy the NSW Ambulance Rescue vehicles second hand for $5.50.
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Will CFS build any more stand alone rescues, that is the question.
No, they won't. That is the answer.
bet they do :wink:
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Why do you know something?
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Why do you know something?
i know....naaaarthingg. :-D
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Why do you know something?
i know....naaaarthingg. :-D
Tedster ....I may be mistaken, but I believe that the the correct spelling of naaaarthingg is "naaaarthinggk" :-D as uttered by SHUOOLTZ
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:-D :-D :-D
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Why do you know something?
i know....naaaarthingg. :-D
Tedster ....I may be mistaken, but I believe that the the correct spelling of naaaarthingg is "naaaarthinggk" :-D as uttered by SHUOOLTZ
Jaff i defer to your wise counsel.......naaaarthinggkk it is