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General Discussion => Country Fire Service => Topic started by: Jono on January 15, 2007, 12:51:26 PM
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Does anyone have some photos they can post up of the Dennis? and can anyone tell me specs/history on it?
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http://www.fire-brigade.asn.au/gallery/appliance/page3photos/1-jve-Imgp0884.jpg (http://www.fire-brigade.asn.au/gallery/appliance/page3photos/1-jve-Imgp0884.jpg)
Look here
http://www.fire-brigade.asn.au/gallery/appliance/page1photos/1-hazmatnairne-Dsc_6321.jpg (http://www.fire-brigade.asn.au/gallery/appliance/page1photos/1-hazmatnairne-Dsc_6321.jpg)
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try this spot
http://www.fire-brigade.asn.au/gallery/appliance/page4photos/1-ss-Img_9249.jpg
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When you post an image link just click the insert image button with the link text selected and image tags will be added. This loads the image in the forum
(http://www.safirefighter.com/boards/Themes/PortalBlue_1-1RC2/images/bbc/img.gif)This is the button you need, in the edit panel. :-)
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Now Jono...lets not get our hopes up, it is only a very unsubstantiated rumor...I will only believe it when we have the truck sitting in our station with the keys...it will probably end up being the same as the whole Happy Valley 24P idea, Non-Existent!!
Catch ya round... *Pixie*
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It is sitting at Brukunga....STILL waiting for a windscreen :roll:
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Bleieve they are trying to force it on Naracoorte.
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Just a note on the photos - it's terribly poor form to post photos without crediting the photographer when they are not your own...
How about give kudos where they are due?
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:roll:
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The said photos were actually posted as links only. However the moderator(s) set them up to be viewed. (I know I posted one)
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Got any photos of the BA seats? I curious as to how they worked...
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They definatly don't look anywhere near as fancy as what are in MFS Scania's but theres stacks of back seat room almost enough to stand up. (I've only had a look at it once up close a while ago so could be wrong :-))
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The said photos were actually posted as links only. However the moderator(s) set them up to be viewed. (I know I posted one)
If the links where clicked the photographer is not credited either.....???
Of course it is always good form to credit the photographer if possible. In this case I think the pics are from the SACFS promotions unit, and we do have an understanding with them to occasionally use a pic or two. :-)
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Correct - most (if not all) have come from the CFS Promotions Unit.
However, they shoud be credited as such...... :-)
Pip
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How long ago did the thing with the windscreen happen? and does anyone have a pic of it sans windscreen?
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Bout a month ago maybe?
No brigade should be forced to take this unreliable appliance. CFS just need to cut their losses and move on. Its the safest thing to do.
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No wonder its windscreen blew in the things a freakin brick, no aerodynamics all the wind pressure is going straight on that windscreen.
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Its older than half the appliances getting taken out of service now, it certainly hasnt had reliable history, save the pump, scrap the rest.
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Not quite Jasec.....it is a 1990 model.....so it makes it a fraction younger than the bulk of appliance being taken out of service.....
The bulk seem to be taken out of service around 18-20 years
Pip
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Could those photo links get posted up again? I think they were lost in the site change over.....
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Could those photo links get posted up again? I think they were lost in the site change over.....
I still see the first two, but not the third... You can see the third if you go to http://www.fire-brigade.asn.au/gallery/appliance/page4photos/ (http://www.fire-brigade.asn.au/gallery/appliance/page4photos/) and click on "1-ss-Img_9249.jpg"... (courtesy of the CFS Promotions unit...)
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I have removed the image tags but there appears to be an issue with the promo site at present....Pics aren't loading.
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Appears to be an issue with half the internet at the moment.. !
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Appears to be an issue with half the internet at the moment.. !
I blame the terrorists!
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Appears to be an issue with half the internet at the moment.. !
I blame the terrorists!
If all else fails, blame the terrorists. I agree with ryan, I don't think dennis spend much money on aerodynamics, if any. I reckon that truck is around purely because of bling value. It ain't good for much else in its current state.
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They can try but we dont wont it........
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why would anyone want it?
:lol:
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Not much bling when you cant use the thing :-D :lol:
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why would anyone want it?
:lol:
new promotions unit pumper!
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Nah...the Promo Pumper is having its final touches done to its make over.....so we don't need another one!!!
And for anyone that thinks we could swap them...the Promo pumper has a pump that leaks more water than it pumps...... and the parts would have to come from America at a great cost... :wink:
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The poor promo pumper.... the old girl could tell a few stories!
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where is the promo pumper originially from?
got any pics pip?
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The Promo Pumper used to be Strath 32 ......it'll (hopefully) be out of the workshop soon...after the (small) bits of rust have been cut out, new striping, removing the extra brackets etc.....
Pics of what he did look like can be found on the Promo website - the appliance at the top of each page...that will change soon, when it come back to us!! :-)
Pip
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There were 3 of those Mitsubishi Pumpers built at around the same time and none of them had memorable lives.
(1)Mt Barkers had pump problems from day one and ended its life prior to 20 years and is now being used as a tanker over on KI.
(2) Strathalbyns had pump problems as well and was retired short of its 20 years.
(3) Lobethals was ok and got sent to Murray Bridge a couple of years ago before getting parked upside down on the main corner of Murray Bridge enroute to a job.
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If all else fails, blame the terrorists. I agree with ryan, I don't think dennis spend much money on aerodynamics, if any. I reckon that truck is around purely because of bling value. It ain't good for much else in its current state.
Dennis mightn't spend much on aerodynamics (how important *really* is aerodynamics at speeds up to 140kmh?) but they sure spend money on suspension & handling. I was told that their latest pumpers can do donuts until the driver loses their nerve but will not fall over. (I WANT ONE !!) http://www.johndennisfire.co.uk/products/dennissabre.htm
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They are a great truck, it's just as with everything else in CFS it was jinxed and now DENNIS has a bad name in SA.
I would easily take a brand new Dennis over a brand new Scania as they are purpose build fire trucks from the tyres up. Scanias are still made primarily as delivery trucks.
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From what i have heard about the Dennis (apart from the mechanical issues) they are a fantastic truck to work from, totally designed for firefighting.
p.s. apparently the boys from seaford where told on Monday from a GO that they will be getting it and they also measured the station to make sure it fits, and if they can make the 24 fit into the third bay they can keep the 24 as well.
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What about their logistics that sits in the 3rd bay??
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Hoping it can stay a group resource and stay at mawson base.
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Does anybody have any height specs for the Dennis??
Jason, the rumor is still unconfirmed, but i would swap log. car for the Dennis any day!!
I still wont believe it until we have the keys!
*Pixie*
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2.5m ish ?
Not totally sure..
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Thats what i have told the guys pixie, dont believe a word till its sitting in the station with seafords name on it. Id call it a fair swap for the Logistics car though.
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I'd call it a fair swap for any of their rigs !
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You never know. There might be nothing wrong with the Dennis. Its just the Mt Barker brigade mistreated it so much that it didnt wanna play ball.
Joking Peoples. Sit back down and take a deep breath :-D
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When and if you get the Dennis just check the windscreen and make sure they actually put sealant around it this time :wink:
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You never know. There might be nothing wrong with the Dennis. Its just the Mt Barker brigade mistreated it so much that it didnt wanna play ball.
No, that might be true, to an extent. I would assume Barker didnt "mis-treat" it but maybe it required extra maintenacne than the normal that is done to CFS appliances and also they do a lot of job and Denis would ahve got used a lot so extra wear and tear. Maybe at a smaller ststaion it owuldnt have had so many problems.
MAYBE is the key word
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If it goes to seaford it will still be busy jobs wise, but the distance it has to travel will be greatly reduced.
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hahaha so seaford are going to be able to crew three trucks????????? lol
nah, i should think there 24P will dissapear when/if they got dennis. SFECs would not require 2 "pumps" i shouldnt think, so CFS will snap it up for somewhere else..... :?
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Word on the grapevine is it will go to Morphett Vale and yes seaford would struggle to man three trucks with the member numbers they have. I believe that taking a 4WD appliance from them and replace it with a 2WD pumper is not wise for the rural risks they have.
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mmm but that problem will never be fixed anywhere unless CFS actually comes up with a 4wd pump.... a real pump.
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just get some of these
http://www.fire-brigade.asn.au/Appliance_Display.asp?Service_Code=SAMFS&Station_Code=52
528 i mean
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just get some of these
528 i mean
I think that appliance is similar to the URPs that cfs has. PTO pumps, but have secondary pumps for pump & roll. The URP is the type of appliance most brigades with big urban/rural risks should be getting. You have the best of both worlds.
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Its about time that some brigade's wake up and look at your risk some urban brigade's are just that URBAN and so there is no need to take ya pumper into the scrub as you have a rural appliances to do that....
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Victor MFS has one of those Isuzu's and they don't like it that much it doesn't have a great deal of locker space and is slow, they use their FL7 Volovo for everything now?? But still i wouldn't knock one back if CFS offered it!! :-)
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Well despite the rumours etc doing the rounds about who might be getting the Dennis, I dont think there is room for speculation.
It wouldnt be the first time an appliance which has had someones name on it get swapped at the last minute :wink:
Until its sitting in your station and you have the keys for it,its all conjecture :-D
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just ring the region someone with a red helmet will know the truth......may be not......
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Its about time that some brigade's wake up and look at your risk some urban brigade's are just that URBAN and so there is no need to take ya pumper into the scrub as you have a rural appliances to do that....
I agree, but some brigades have such a big rural risk as well they need 2 4WD appliances, if you gave all the EMA brigades type2 pumpers and a standard 24/34, what happens if your group has a big rural job there goes your 24/34. In a group like Mawson if H/V, M/V and Seaford all had 2WD pumpers when Mt Bold went up They would have been with out a single 4WD appliance, in short basically no fire cover for the whole southern end of Onka Gorge. The new appliances that are coming out are more than adequate for what most of our urban risks are, lets face it we are not dealing with city CBD buildings.
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Maybe your not Jasec....
but multi storey schools and hospitals, as well as large shopping centres and nursing homes are huge urban risks....
admittedly we are not talking about 10 storey buildigns, but still....
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I give up when will urban brigades work out that a pumper is just that a urban pumper and that its main role is for urban fires....Having said that this year in Victoria there have been more pumper strike teams going to jobs in rural fires and they have done a great job...The other thing is to call in your next group and start stepping up appliances into other stations .......now is that not what the mfs do when they get too busy???????
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Maybe your not Jasec....
but multi storey schools and hospitals, as well as large shopping centres and nursing homes are huge urban risks....
admittedly we are not talking about 10 storey buildings, but still....
They are huge risks, but these all have boosters that can be boosted fine with 24/34Ps, and yes that is with multiple(5 to 6) hydrants going at once with the hydrants putting out 600-700 KPA, and in these days of CFB anyone knows(well those that have done the course) that you don't need hundreds of litres of water coming out your hose at 1000kpa to put a fire out.
I just know that in some brigades situations that pushing for or just receiving a 2WD pumper is not in the best interests of the brigade, due to the fact that they could find there trucks turning red before they know it.
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I just know that in some brigades situations that pushing for or just receiving a 2WD pumper is not in the best interests of the brigade, due to the fact that they could find there trucks turning red before they know it.
How is that not in their interest? I'd love to be covered by a full time paid fire service...
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Because that brigade will be closed down. :x
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Maybe your not Jasec....
but multi storey schools and hospitals, as well as large shopping centres and nursing homes are huge urban risks....
admittedly we are not talking about 10 storey buildings, but still....
They are huge risks, but these all have boosters that can be boosted fine with 24/34Ps, and yes that is with multiple(5 to 6) hydrants going at once with the hydrants putting out 600-700 KPA, and in these days of CFB anyone knows(well those that have done the course) that you don't need hundreds of litres of water coming out your hose at 1000kpa to put a fire out.
I just know that in some brigades situations that pushing for or just receiving a 2WD pumper is not in the best interests of the brigade, due to the fact that they could find there trucks turning red before they know it.
They are huge risks, but these all have boosters that can be boosted fine with 24/34Ps, and yes that is with multiple(5 to 6) hydrants going at once with the hydrants putting out 600-700 KPA
24/34P boosting with 5/6 hydrants operating..? .. Sorry, but I have to ask when ?
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As in when does that happen or when did we try it?
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I have attended several flow tests in and around our area with Max McAlister *spelling, and he said the biggest issue with the trucks is they need more inlets and outlets but he can't get that thru to tech services heads... funny that, nothing gets thru to them.
If you are boosting the biggest thing is getting alot of water into the truck so you can send alot of water out again but if you only have 2 inlets and 2 outlets your screwed especially in rural areas where the booster is fed by a tank and draughting is required. Thats where the type 2's come into play with 4 in and 4 out and the 125mm storz suction. And yes i have been to a school fire where we boosted with a 24P and the appliances at the fire couldn't use any more hoses because that would have overrun the supply as the 24P on the booster was at maximum capacity.
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As in when does that happen or when did we try it?
Sorry, yeah when was it tried and what was the appliance (or more importantly the pump).
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All the 24p's have the storz inlet but the hoses for it were only put on from the Mills Tui build 24P, i asked HQ about getting the hoses for our 24P and was told they weren't put on the truck because they were too heavy and cumbersome for people to lift off. The only appliance from the 2000 build with the large hard suction i know of is Strathalbyn 24P??
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Lofty tanker has the storz inlet and 4 lengths of 100mm hard suction line.
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As in when does that happen or when did we try it?
Sorry, yeah when was it tried and what was the appliance (or more importantly the pump).
The guys tried it at a large shopping centre, had 5 hydrants going (but only with 1 line of each) and did pressure tests and the lowest pressure was 580kpa. I think the shopping centre in question has high mains pressure as is, so that could have helped. The appliance was a 24P special.
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Wasn't many 24P Specials, that narrows it down a little.. I'm guessing a 2 in/2 out Darley 500gpm pump?
I would be interested to know the flow tests / pressures before boosting started.. I don't think that appliance/ pump would perform that well with 5 simultanious hydrants operating.. - The already high pressurised mains may have made quite a difference... - Well, enough to explain those simultanious hydrant pressures while testing..
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All the 24p's have the storz inlet but the hoses for it were only put on from the Mills Tui build 24P, i asked HQ about getting the hoses for our 24P and was told they weren't put on the truck because they were too heavy and cumbersome for people to lift off. The only appliance from the 2000 build with the large hard suction i know of is Strathalbyn 24P??
Not to stray off topic too much but...
Not sure about the purchase of the 100 mm stortz hard suction, but they were mounted on Strath 24P by brigade memebers. Now, the stortz can be used at the Clipsal factory for boosting. 3 inlets (2 x 64mm, 1 x 100mm) and 2 outlets.
Don't really see what the issue is about them being too cumbersome and heavy, its not like they are used on a weekly basis! The 2000 24P's have a nice aluminium checkerplate platform on the drivers side on which they can be easily mounted, better than having them sitting in the back corner of the station collecting dust!
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^^Yeah we'll probably think about getting them at some stage but a rescue litter is at the top of the shopping list at the moment. :-)
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^^Yeah we'll probably think about getting them at some stage but a rescue litter is at the top of the shopping list at the moment. :-)
Careful or the SES will say your stealing their jobs :wink:
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So where is the denis sitting now???
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^^Yeah we'll probably think about getting them at some stage but a rescue litter is at the top of the shopping list at the moment. :-)
Careful or the SES will say your stealing their jobs :wink:
Ha Ha they know were getting it, mainly for work with SAAS etc, they can keep the hi angle rescue stuff. :wink:
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So where is the denis sitting now???
STC Brukunga
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Any more news on its new home?
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Any more news on its new home?
My Guess!!!! - Seaford.
Any other guesses?
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Not Yet...Is still waiting on that windscreen...
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Not Yet...Is still waiting on that windscreen...
Windcreen is fitted!
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We shall be getting it for a trial period in about 3 months once the problem with the tank gets fixed
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We shall be getting it for a trial period in about 3 months once the problem with the tank gets fixed
Cool, where are you?
Update - I see from your profile Seaford
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yes, seaford, have also been told that at the end of the three months if it is not suitable they have a different truck lined up for us to try....
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Wouldnt hold your breath pixie, the Dennis might be gone before you even get it, thats in-light of new events happening down there. :wink:
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Dennis is currently sitting at Moore's for tank repairs
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Following recent events, I have had a 100% change in mindset on this dennis...
With the movement of MFS into the Seaford area, I now think we would be better off focusig our efforts on keeping A truck....i dont care which one,
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Yeah you guys need to now really push your worth from a rural point of veiw, say have a 34 and 14 and if your lucky you might end up sharing a station with the MFS or something and just doing rural and strike teams etc.
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I agree with the Tillerman, Seaford should now focus on being able to cover the rural areas down there. Maybe even keep two big trucks so that you can still go on Strike Teams. I can't see any benefit in putting the Dennis down their now, I think one of the reasons it was suggested it needed to go there was to put their road crash gear on, a 34P can do that just as well.
My tip on the Dennis is that it will go to Morphett Vale, it would replace their 24P nicely.
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Yeah i wrote about this in the other thread, maybe a 34P to back up MFS, their current 24 for strike teams and maybe a 14.
Cant see Morphett vale getting the Dennis as you would then have 2 x 2WDs next to each other being Happy Valley and Morphett vale.
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Does anyone have some photos they can post up of the Dennis? and can anyone tell me specs/history on it?
Hi Jono Danny here Ive got a few photos mate I will send them to you
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Does anyone have some photos they can post up of the Dennis? and can anyone tell me specs/history on it?
Hi Jono Danny here Ive got a few photos mate I will send them to you
You will find it here boys :lol:
http://www.fire-brigade.asn.au/gallery/appliance/page3photos/1-jve-Imgp0884.jpg
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yes, seaford, have also been told that at the end of the three months if it is not suitable they have a different truck lined up for us to try....
No they don't, if we decline it we just get our pumper back. Then continue our wait on the vehicle replacement list.
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yes, seaford, have also been told that at the end of the three months if it is not suitable they have a different truck lined up for us to try....
No they don't, if we decline it we just get our pumper back. Then continue our wait on the vehicle replacement list.
Jono take the Dennis :wink:
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News hot of the press, Dennis wont be going to seaford. As they might need that bay for CD 431.
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Take it while you still can
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Wow this topic has gone quiet :-D
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NEWS, seaford IS still getting the Dennis!! another leak has been found in the tank and it is still at moores getting fixed.
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News hot of the press, Dennis wont be going to seaford. As they might need that bay for CD 431.
as soon as the leak is fixed we will be getting it. date is now 19.3.07 for PR we are have
WOO HOO
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Excellent lads :-D
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Hope you get good use out of it,mind you the amount of cash CFS has spent on that ice cream truck could have been better spent on a new type two pumper for seaford.
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Yeah we get 3 months to try and brake it :D
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That would not be wise.
You are getting a valuable resource which will benefit the brigade so I would be working on boosting the morale :wink:
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All you guys can do is give it ago and see how it goes,they tell me its a good pump and will be good for the seaford brigade...make sure you take some photos and post them on the promo site :mrgreen:
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Post your pics here :-P
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1908981 13:20:16 17-03-07 There will be training on the Dennis at 3pm this arvo, please attend if possible, Captain. - SEAFORD STATION
Its finally there at Seaford