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What about:

Greenhills, Summertown, Norton Summit, Montecute, Paracombe, Salisbury, Dalkeith, Piccadilly, even Basket Range would be within 22 kilometre I think

I thought Stirling would have been closer that 15.4km.
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Agreed Tillerman, would be nice that some consideration surrounding appropriate appliance for the 'what if's' exist instead of an appliance that just gets by.

Some other consideration for Mutual Aid are the response of 'cells' or a task force equivalent, where if a large incident is underway instead of individual appliance responding to different locations. A cell of multiple capacity appliances responds into one area.

I guess this could be in a situation where the likes of a CFS Hazmat Pumper (Murray Bridge or Eden Hills), Rescue Pumper (Seaford - this is an example I know they are not a full rescue brigade), couple of 34Ps and a GO or DGO responding into one specific area or region. This would have the advantage of reasonable pumping capabilities, broader role capacity (RCR Hazmat etc) and the ability to not grab the most immediate brigades for Mutual Aid support.

My concerns about mutual aid for larger metropolitan incident comes from the commitment of resources from the immediate surrounding area deep into the metro area. If MFS where heavily committed to a northern incident and you had multiple COQ's heading north (TTG to 37, NSA to 22, Belair, Eden to 20, Burnside to 24, Happy Valley to 40, Stirling to 44...) and the likes of a 2nd or 3rd alarm incident to occur in the hills interface area (say the Waite Institute or Heysen Tunnels) the normal response into that area would be decreased. It really is a balancing act, and I think this is some of the thought that went into the COQ's on Monday.

I thing back to the 90's when early task forces where sent early to KI for fires where you would take couple of appliances from Southern Fleurieu, Kyeema, Victor and Mawson Groups to not leave any group significantly under resourced.

Some interesting internation concepts for Mutual Aid...

The UK utilises a process of the responding Mutual Aid resource will commit to the incident which caused the mutual aid request, releasing the requesting service back to their own area of cover.

Benefits of this process is that the requesting service can then provide coverage to the area that they know. For ambulance services this mean local knowledge of hospitals, nursing home and staff. A local service liaison remains in support of the mutual support service.

For the fire service I see a similar advantage were the requesting service is returned to cover it's area with knowledge of local procedures, FIP's, plans, etc.

This system would not work for resource heavy incidents like the hazmat at Salisbury on Monday, but some other incident come to mind where it could work.

Mitcham Shopping Centre fire, Belair and Burnside committed to the incident, with (from memory) Eden Hills at St Mary's, Happy Valley at the Hill, Morphett Vale at Christies and TTG at Gylnde (please don't lynch me if I'm wrong). It may have been better for Happy Valley, Eden, Morphett Vale and TTG or closer multiple appliance CFS brigades (Stirling, Aldgate, Blackwood, Upper Sturt...) to respond to the incident to release more MFS crews back to there areas.

Similarly the Abattoirs Fire at Port Wakefield, protracted incident where a significant number of CFS brigade were involved for a very long time. Perhap utilising a couple of MFS appliances or crews to release local appliance back to their response area would make some sense.

Just my thoughts, I think there is certainly some benefits to flipping the mutual aid processes. Could be a little politically sensitive and hard on the 'ownership' of incident from local crews, but it is tried and tested in other services.

Comments?

Belair Tanker has a 3inch TFT which is plumbed straight of the top of the pump housing (Darley HE500). With 10000litres of water behind it make it a worthwhile option. Has a throw of around 60 metres (at 700kpa).

Points to remember with any large capacity monitor is you need a large water capacity to go with it!

I heard that the pump is now going to be a Rosenbauer.

Any truth to that rumour Rainer?

Madar in Tasmania have also manufactured fire appliances from time to time, but are now in a niche ambulance building market!

Aren't they just trying to fix something with the front near side wheel?

Belair Tanker has no problems being driven off road with the right driver.  Goes most places in the Belair National Park once you lock in the rear axles.  The Allison Gear Box has a brilliant low ratio.

Southern Fleurieu Group Tanker (RFW) will go anywhere a 24 will (height dependent) however has some limitations due to the tipper. Would be a great tanker if you were to take the tipper off, add a 500gpm PTO and 15000ltr tank!

I think there is a place for an off road capable BWC in a lot of areas, particularly during long hoseline running in hilly country. 

Quote from: RescueHazmat on September 06, 2007, 07:12:36 PM

Quote from: Mundcfs on September 06, 2007, 04:48:21 PM

If you notice on the pager sites that whenever there is an MVA, Car v Pedestrian etc etc there is a page sent to the ambulance and one to cap code 1924962

For example:

1924962 15:33:32 06-09-07 G81 Cat2 Mallala-two Wells Rd, Mallala
1924690 15:33:30 06-09-07 G81 Cat2 Mallala-two Wells Rd, Mallala

 
1924962 14:36:47 06-09-07 RI400 Cat2 20 Belvidere Rd, Saddleworth
1924334 14:35:28 06-09-07 RI81 Cat 2 - V/A


1924962 08:59:18 06-09-07 SA81 Cat2 Grand Junction Rd, Hope Valley 96 G6
1908871 09:00:53 06-09-07 MFS: INC # 13 - 06/09/07 09:02,RESPOND RCR,GRAND JUNCTION RD,HOPE VALLEY, MAP 96 G 6 ,,BETWEEN RESERVOIR AND AROONGA POSSIBLE PERSONS TRAPPED,9419 301 329*CFSRES:


 

I would assume an RTL or Paramedic / ICP rostered to that area in the chance they are near by / available.

Negative is SOT

1924962 20:57:22 06-09-07 PP181 Cat2 Cnr Three Chain Rd, Port Pirie C228 N6 SAAS Supervisor?

Not SOT or SAAS Manager, message snet to the Road Accident Research Unit at the Adelaide University for data collection purposes

Can you shed any light Stefan? 

Yankalilla CFS and the Southern Fleurieu Group has a 3 Phase generator in a Trailer (Ex Moomba) 6 Cyl Diesel Engine run's the gen set. Purchased prior to 1999-2000 NYE excitement.  It can probably run half of the town as well as the all the Station!

Belair 34P had a complete pump failure with less that 20 running hours due to an apparent fuel line issue.  Failed whilst at an incident...