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General Discussion => Country Fire Service => Topic started by: Jono on March 17, 2007, 12:59:30 PM
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We now have the keys to the Dennis, but it will not be operational for a few weeks for fire calls until everyone knows how to use it. So far I like it.
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c208/jono_04/Dennis005.jpg)
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c208/jono_04/Dennis006.jpg)
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Need sunglasses to look at the striping 8-)
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Still has Mount Barker on it
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What brand/model is the pump on this??
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Godiva i think
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Spose they had to dump it somewhere.....
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whats the point?
i thought there was already a pump going to every seaford call :wink:
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yes,b :evil:ut all CFS appliances have a pump on it......Dont you mean a PUMPER...... wish people would call them by there right name....
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pumprescue, why dont you filtered off back to the upset thread if you want to stir scheiße about Seaford!!!
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Yeah give Seaford a break. BTW what appliance are you giving back the 24P?
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Hope they enjoy there new toy,so why will it take two weeks for all members to know how to use it??? I dont mean to be rude but you would think that the nice people at STC could let them take it up there and play with it ....
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Its all nice and sparkly now with seaford pumper stuck to it.
at the moment our logistics car is at seaford so we have 24, 24p and pumper, we have three months to decide if we want to use it then if we decide to keep it the rescue gear goes on pumper and we go back to one pumper and rural.
i dont think it will take 2 weeks to learn to use, as we have been mucking around with it today and yesterday, we get new gear for it monday or tuesday to get it ready to use, but we also have a brigade meeting tomorrow so its better to over estimate than under, all though going to the stc sounds good.
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As Mel stated, Seaford logistics car will be at Mawson base for the next 3 months while we are trialing the dennis, so currently we are a three truck station, (with only two operational), i had a look at almost everything on the truck 2day, and it all seems pretty easy to understand, hopefully it will be operational within about a week, it all just depends on how long it takes to get some nesecary gear!
But i dont think training the memembers will be an issue!
Pixie
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Enjoy it and dont forget to take photo's...........
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pumprescue, why dont you filtered off back to the upset thread if you want to stir filtered about Seaford!!!
calm down - im pretty sure the comment was in relation to the truck, not seafood.
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Here is a pic taken today by FF T. March just after the truck was stickered up and being re-stocked
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I dont wish to cause a storm here but....
If the MFS is ultimately taking over this area then why is the CFS putting a pumper in here? Is this to provide a support to the MFS or will Seaford still primarily have control of the area, therefore under the SFEC require a pumper?
The only reason i ask is because we complain about duplication of resources yet to me it appears to be happening here.
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Could they make the SEAFORD PUMPER bit any bigger, i like the small writing alot better.
Camo your right it does seem a bit like a last ditch attemt by cfs to make it look like Seaford at least have the appliances to cover the area...
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Hopefully it will satisfy the Seaford Rise Residents Association who have been in the Messenger press lately.
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at least the rumors are true seaford now have the Dennis truck from mt barker but a Little mi ft that the stowage kit wasn't up to scratch. lucky we have been able to restow it with some of our gear. so we can bring it on line sooner and then see what the seaford rise chairman says....
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Dont worry about what anyone says,as a lot of it is filtered stirring and designed to intimidate you.IGNORE THEM
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I don't think its wise advice to ignore, perhaps see what the issues are and work to find a happy medium.
The Seaford Rise Residents Group won't be happy until there is a 24/7 fire station, with a fulltime crew, its simple as that. No amount of vehicles or good will is going to change that.
Like I have said before, work to your capabilities and you will find that you have plenty to do once SAMFS move in. You had 2 4x4 appliances, with the way crewing is going these days, you will fid plenty of work to do in regards to strike teams, campaign fire, rural incidents in and around the southern area.
So you might not get to go to alarms, or mva's or house fires. Who know's , it only takes a 2nd alarm down south and SAMFS are stretched.
Work towards gearing yourself up for this to occur, fine to have the Dennis now, but where does that leave you when SAMFS do take over, with a diminshed service by only having 1 4x4 appliance, and trust me, if the Dennis becomes a permenant fixture you WILL lose the 24P. Logic and common sense would suggest, that even though the Dennis is nice to have, its more benificial for your future to get a 34P , its the best of both worlds, and we all know SAMFS still need us for rural work, no matter what.
Wouldn't you sleep better at night knowing that? Your future is almost certain then, where as now it will end up being a case of doubling up and you might find that your no longer justified.
Think about it, don't start ranting at me and calling me a so and so. I have been around long enough to now see the logic in situations like this, have been through it before. Getting your hackles up and abusing people solves nothing and just makes you look stupid.
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Is Seaford Rise a suburb or a new development? or something else all together
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seaford rise is a suburb, however there is also a "Seaford Rise Residents Group"
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Pumprescue why don't you buzz off back to the planet you have arrived here from and give Seaford Brigade a break. No matter what you sling at us it will not stick. Our members are stronger then you can possibly imagine and we will continue to provide a worthwile and invaluable service to our community. So take some good advise and sit there quietly and look the fool than open your mouth once again and remove all doubt. YOU AND YOUR PETTY QUOMENTS ARE NOT HELPING ANY OF THE SERVICES CAUSES YOU SUPER HERO YOU
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I think PUMPRESCUE made some sense with that last statement!
I don't agree with the way things have been done by the MFS but it could be time to take stock and keep as much of what you have now than fight and lose out. :-(
But good luck i don't envy the position your brigade is in but progress will always happen. :-)
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I really don't see how or why Seaford CFS's work load or call rate would suffer to any great extent if and when there is a Mets unit operating in the area, either from their own station or from a day crew/truck stationed locally.
Seaford is an EMA brigade, surely they will continue to be responded to jobs that come up in their area, be they urban or rural jobs. So they may be co-responded with MFS more often than they do now, so what - we can all work with MFS with out any reason for prejudice or concern. Heck we are all about the same thing, serving the community and putting out fires, saving property, reducing losses etc etc. An extra truck at a job can only be a gain not a loss. The most important factor in "Serving the Community" is the last bit - the Community. If the community groups have got together any shouted for an improved service - and that is NOT a reflection in anyway of Seaford, then let them get a red truck. To some extent the community is responsible for its own fire response times - after all who is it that serves as CFS members - the local community
CFS was never intended to be able to respond as quickly as permanently manned MFS stations, and to cop any flack for not getting to a going fire as quick as would be expected of a premanent crew is REALLY BAD FORM!
Go Seaford, enjoy your new urban appliance. Hopefully it serves you better than it did Mt Barker. As for the future, who knows what that holds with SACAD, SAFECOM etc, I expect that there could be significant changes to the way incidents are responded to across the board. My guess is you'll retain an urban appliance and one rural - probably 24, maybe a 34 or 34P in the not to distant future and Logistics will return to the third bay.
Hey, but that' just a personal point of view. End Rant
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one can only hope they dont take it to scrub or running grass fire's :roll:
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Seaford is an EMA brigade, surely they will continue to be responded to jobs that come up in their area, be they urban or rural jobs.
lol - although i am sure they will head out to jobs since MFS cant really handle anything rural.... Seaford will no longer have an "area" since it is being gazetted as MFS response?
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Mack, are you suggesting that with the introduction of an MFS crew that covers the "Seaford area" that Seaford CFS will no longer be responded, at all, to urban/structural/RCR etc jobs that they otherwise would have been responded to? Surely dual response, not singularly MFS only.
It would seem to COMPLETELY DEFY LOGIC OF ANY KIND to exclude an already locally established volunteer fire service that has equipment and training to respond to urban calls, just because there is a permanent crew now stationed in the area. Quite simply I don't (I refuse to) beleive it! Um...So what is Pumper for then!!??
I think there will be a red truck at urban jobs, and a white truck, when Seaford can crew it. The red truck is just "insurance" to ensure that someone responds.
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the only mesning behind my post is that it seems Seaford wont have an area... as u said of course they will do dual responses, but they will have more of a role in the rural side of things than urban. Cant see a need to send them to every rubbish fire or carfire for instance
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What does this have to do with Dennis Arrived :evil:
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So how is the DENNIS going are you guys at seaford happy with it and has it been to a call out yet????
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What does this have to do with Dennis Arrived :evil:
Seaford Pumper On Scene....
THE DENNIS HAS ARRIVED.....HAHAHA :lol:
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So how is the DENNIS going are you guys at seaford happy with it and has it been to a call out yet????
So far it has gone to about 10 call outs I think. I really like it.
The tank was fixed on it, they found a leaking pipe in the line. The window is all sealed in properly with some extra angle this time. So far we havn't had any problems with overheating of engine or brakes. The hose lines rewind fine as long as you have the revs up to keep the air compressing. There's a few little things we need to fix on it still though.
- Theres two gaps in the cab straight into the engine bay, that very warm air flows into the cab through.
- Need to have the A/C looked at, it's not working.
But so far it's gone ok
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- Theres two gaps in the cab straight into the engine bay, that very warm air flows into the cab through.
Er, that's not air, that's called carbon monoxide..... :|
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just to go back to the seaford rise residents association crap, they are just a grey haired extension to the ufu gossip factory, two of the members pictured in the local news paper are ex mfs firies.
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- Theres two gaps in the cab straight into the engine bay, that very warm air flows into the cab through.
Er, that's not air, that's called carbon monoxide..... :|
Err doesnt it have an exhaust pipe :-P
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yes it does the gaps jono is on about is the heat from the motor not carbon monoxide....
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yes it does the gaps jono is on about is the heat from the motor not carbon monoxide....
Exactly...10 points
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yes it does the gaps jono is on about is the heat from the motor not carbon monoxide....
At least it will be nice and warm in there in the winter. :-D
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i drove it last night and it stinks up pretty quick, they will have to get it looked at, any Mt Barker guys have this problem?
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Probably should be taken off line then, I think there is something in the OH&S regs about having to provide a safe working environment, sitting in a closed up truck filling with Carbon Monoxide fumes doesn't sound safe to me.
At least with the BA sets in the cab the crew in the back will be ok, pity the driver and OIC though.
The Dennis curse continues...
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No-one has mentioned about a hole in the exhaust. So my interpretation is that the 'gases' are being piped away, and it is simply the heated AIR entering the cabin.
?? Am i on the right track??
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No-one has mentioned about a hole in the exhaust. So my interpretation is that the 'gases' are being piped away, and it is simply the heated AIR entering the cabin.
?? Am i on the right track??
I think it is just heated air, by referring to stinky i was mean the hot engine smell you get after driving for a while, and the engine in the Dennis is by no means modern. Take it for drive with a gas tester in the cab you will soon find out whats in the air coming from the engine. The CO level in the cab only needs to be at 7ppm for it to be over the legal exposure stantards without any breathing protection.
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I think you will find this is the case with any fire appliance of this age with engines in the cab, and for info, the engine was new in 2002.
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Your right, but you can feel the air coming from the engine compartment through a 10cm x 10cm hole im not sure it should be happening. It would have been a engine of the same age just rebuilt.
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Seaford pumper must be getting a good running 2day with the number of callouts just in one day :o Good that morphett vales givin a lil backup :)
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Giving the old girl a good work out I see....
11:47:38 06-04-07 MFS: RESPOND Private Alarm 06/04/07 11:46,2 SEAFORD RD,OLD NOARLUNGA, MAP 195 K 13 ,,SMOKE DETECTORS ON EAST AND WEST SIDE OF SHOP CALLED WOOD N LOGS,DAILY INC. NO. 22,8334 8124 431*CFSRES:
12:50:01 06-04-07 SHQ: *CFSRES: SEAFORD & MORPHETT VALE RESPOND UNKNOWN FIRE, STARBOARD RD, SEAFORD. FIRE IN REAR OF YARD. < 06/04/2007 12:49:48PM
17:50:10 06-04-07 SHQ: CFSRES SEAFORD & MORPHETT VALE RESPOND BUILDING FIRE 22 GRIFFITHS DR, SEAFORD - KITCHEN > 06/04/2007 5:50:00 PM
19:52:51 06-04-07 SHQ: *CFSRES: SEAFORD & MORPHETT VALE RESPOND TO RUBBISH FIRE CHURCH HILL ROAD, OLD NOARLUNGA < 06/04/2007 19:52:41
22:35:39 06-04-07 MFS: RESPOND GRASS FIRE 06/04/07 22:35,COMMERCIAL RD,SEAFORD, MAP 205 J 1 ,,NEAR KFC,DAILY INC. NO. 57,8334 8124 431*CFSRES:
5 Calls in a day, NOT BAD, got to be some sort of record? Pumper would have been despatched to the majority of those I would imagine. Oh, and by "NOT BAD" I mean for enthusiastic members of a volunteer brigade, Not Good for those affected by the incidents in any way :roll:
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Dennis does get hot quickly but the engine cooler kicks in without fail, have run that truck during summer to various grass fires and long distances up the freeway without a drama, the brakes tend to stink a bit but nothing to stress about.
I heard seaford changed the pump settings in the back so it only runs in volume, you should run it so it pumps simultaneously volume and pressure, the pump will give you a lot of water and damn good pressure.
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Your right, but you can feel the air coming from the engine compartment through a 10cm x 10cm hole im not sure it should be happening. It would have been a engine of the same age just rebuilt.
So get a 12cm x 12cm (Just to make sure you cover the hole) piece of tin, and some liquid nails.. Problem Solved!
5 Calls in a day, NOT BAD, got to be some sort of record?
No where near !
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So get a 12cm x 12cm (Just to make sure you cover the hole) piece of tin, and some liquid nails.. Problem Solved!
Tin? nope wouldnt work that well. I want to get some sqaure blcoks of foam cut and use them to fill the hole.
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I was joking about the CO, sorry should have put smileys :-D :-D :-D
But it's still not exactly healthy. Though there are worse smells to fill the cabin with, like sweaty fire fighter, or morning breath on 3am call outs :lol:
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How has the Dennis been treating you at Seaford? Adequate or is still being painful?
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IMO the dennis has treated us very well, it hasn't missed a beat...the three month trial period is almost up so we (as a brigade, not management) have to make the deciscion to keep it or not.
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Does that mean its possible you'll want the 24P back?
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I'm glad it is working well for Seaford - hopefully it will continure to!
I was having a discussion recently with some "Dennis freaks " - very nice people who own some very old Dennis fire trucks, and have a fair bit of experience with trucks...and they offered a possible explanation as to why the SACFS Dennis had so many problems..
The Dennis appliance is designed for use in an exclusively urban environment in England. Coming to Australia, and Mt Barker,(and this is not a criticism of Mt Barker CFS) the appliance was perhaps driving around roads that were undulating, and hence the appliance was flexing more than it was designed to do, and hence, had many problems....
I can't say if this was the actual reason for the problems experienced at Mt Barker, but it was a theory put forward....
Pip
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Does that mean its possible you'll want the 24P back?
If they didnt keep the Dennis they'd probably get it back but i think its been earmarked for somewhere else.
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send it to stirling they dont have a pumper,we should run a book on this....I think it will stay at SEAFORD....