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General Discussion => Country Fire Service => Topic started by: YELLOWS_2 on October 03, 2006, 01:29:04 PM
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Our station is one of the busiest in our group and yet we have only 1 truck, we have 10 or more members rocking up to the station on all call outs we have to turn most of the members down or tell them to respond in their personal cars and yet other stations in our group only have 50 call outs a year and struggle to get crew members on most call outs and yet they have 2 to 3 units. we have told our region this problem and they say that state do not want to extend their fleet. does any other brigade have this problem?
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can we ask where you are from, so that we get a better understanding of the situation.
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No we dont. But check if the other brigades second and third appliances are CFS or Brigade owned.
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It is a little hard to understand the problem without knowing where you are from - Would then be able to understand your response area, risk and call types as well as current appliance and equipment / stowage info, but I understand the decision not to dislocse that..
How far have you taken the discussion? - Obviously you and your brigade want to put forward the fact you believe you would be better equipped with another appliance... How far have you put the request to? Also, was it a formal request? How far did it get? If you are unhappy with a response, by going through the correct chain you can take things further... Just ensure you follow the correct procedures and Chain of command.
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Yellows_2 dont encourage your brigade volunteers to respond in their own vehicles to an incident as its against the CFS rules & regulations if you want to solve this problem here are couple of ideas
1.Have 2 crews 1 for daytime/afternoon hours and the other for evening & night hours
2.For a big incident say if 10 or more members turn up put them into 2xteams of two for standby or relief crew
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What other appliances do the other stations have? Are they specialist Hazmat/Rescue appliances? Do they have both a Rural and Urban risk whereas you only have a Rural risk?
There is more to appliance numbers than just how many crew you have.
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No we dont. But check if the other brigades second and third appliances are CFS or Brigade owned.
Do brigade-owned appliances still exist?
My understanding is that there are no brigade owned vehicles anymore - everything is owned by CFS (even the appliances that were funded by Local councils, are now owned by CFS).
And because CFS owns them, they pay for the maintenance / services / repairs for them as well. (Although depending on what goes wrong etc, how much to fix, the funds come from Region, or Group - but an individual brigade doesn't have to pay...)
Another issue alluded to by a number of people, is your level of risk.
Appliances are not allocated on the basis of how many people you have in your brigade, or even within the district you cover, or necessarily how many calls you get. Appliances are allocated on the basis of what risks exist within your area.
For example, Roseworthy CFS got two new appliances within less than 2 years. That wasn't because they had a special deal CFS - it was because a brand new Industrial development went ahead in their response area, a multi million dollar development, that needed an upgraded fire response to it.
There are many other brigades around the state who have had appliances upgraded, or downgraded, depending upon the RISK in their area, not the actual number of calls that the brigade responds to.
And yellow-2, if your brigade is lucky enough to have more people turning up for the call, than you have space on the appliance - first thing is be thankful. The second thing, is if the same people are getting on the appliance each time, and the same ones always miss out, then introduce a roster, so responses can be shared around. :-)
Pip
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ROSTER would definitely be the go for you guys that way everyone gets a go and the level of enthusiasm stays high as well as morale of the brigade :-D
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No we dont. But check if the other brigades second and third appliances are CFS or Brigade owned.
Do brigade-owned appliances still exist?
My understanding is that there are no brigade owned vehicles anymore - everything is owned by CFS (even the appliances that were funded by Local councils, are now owned by CFS).
And because CFS owns them, they pay for the maintenance / services / repairs for them as well. (Although depending on what goes wrong etc, how much to fix, the funds come from Region, or Group - but an individual brigade doesn't have to pay...)
I got told that my brigade had bought both of our trucks with money we had raised. I am not sure if they are Owned bu us or CFS but they don't have Government plates.
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Plain or blue plate makes no difference to who owns it.....
My brigade fundraised for a 14, and along with some council funds, purchased it....twenty years later, it was replaced wiht a new $160,000 14, and the old one left...currently being used by CFS Tech services before being sold off at Government Auction.... :|
Almost all CFS vehicles are owned by the CFS, with the odd exception.....
Pip
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Isn't every asset a brigade has now a 'SAFECOM' asset? Including appliances/buildings?
Our two brigade built appliances are treated no differently to the other 'CFS Issue' appliances
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charlston tanker being one exception. I also know of a group vehicle not owned by the CFS.
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Private vehicles that have a CFS usage arrangement are a little different :wink:
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The subject of appliances is talked about in another thread BUT with the amount of appliances offline it would be nice to have a few spares around the state eh :-P
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or replace the old ones that keep breaking down and going off line
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or replace the old ones that keep breaking down and going off line
Definitely second that motion as im sure a thousand others would :-D
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or replace the NEW ones that keep breaking down and going off line
FIXED!
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I have been in the CFS for about 5 months and twice one of our trucks has needed fixing.
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SFECs!!!!!!
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No we dont. But check if the other brigades second and third appliances are CFS or Brigade owned.
Another issue alluded to by a number of people, is your level of risk.
Appliances are not allocated on the basis of how many people you have in your brigade, or even within the district you cover, or necessarily how many calls you get. Appliances are allocated on the basis of what risks exist within your area.
Pip
And an urban brigade warant a Pumper how - 96% rural risk????
Sorry, but the urban fringe brigade is an easy example, due to their "primary' risk being rural/hills face zone, with little urban risk in THEIR area
The immediate risk is tangible - i.e. should CFS consider the MFS area (an area MFS are funded for) part of the CFS risk. Should CFS consider the SES tasks (an area SES are funded for)
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should CFS first and foremost consider the risks, in the brigade PRIMARY response area???
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More appliances! Its funny how I see a lot of CFS vehicles parked outside Woolies or picking the kids up at school.
Must be good having your vehicle and fuel etc paid by someone else. :x
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More appliances! Its funny how I see a lot of CFS vehicles parked outside Woolies or picking the kids up at school.
Must be good having your vehicle and fuel etc paid by someone else. :x
Ohhhhhh no K99 :wink:, this just so isn't going to end well for you, haven't you caused enough grief in other posts :lol:
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More appliances! Its funny how I see a lot of CFS vehicles parked outside Woolies or picking the kids up at school.
Must be good having your vehicle and fuel etc paid by someone else. :x
Hmmmm....specify CFS vehicles.
I dont think you will see TOO MANY appliances at Woolies and picking up the kids.
Where do you get off :evil:
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Oh we take the pumper shopping all time!
Oz, I think you'll find numerous 'Urban Fringe' brigades with significant Urban risks in their primary response area.
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Oh we take the pumper shopping all time!
I saw Gawler 359 parked outside Coles yesterday.
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Oh we take the pumper shopping all time!
I saw Gawler 359 parked outside Coles yesterday.
Just filling their orders for denture paste, cat food and other essentials required for a retirement home.. :-D
SAFIREY where does he get off?? It all depends on where you live, in this big wide state. K99 may well be correct in his area, there are many instances of abuse of group vehicles that occur in different regions. And yes people do contact SOCC when a CFS vehicle is where it shouldn't be, but HQ does a good job of smoothing things over without the guilty party ever knowing a complaint was made.
It is for this very reason I support group vehicles being left in stations closest to the DGO's/ GO's home and they respond to collect the vehicle from there. Afterall captains don't get to take a firetruck home just because they stood for and got elected to the position of captain. There are many instances and stories of how protective some DGO's/DO's become of "their" vehicles. Sorry but its not "their" vehicle it is a group resource, meaning that they just get to utilize it, they don't own it.
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More appliances! Its funny how I see a lot of CFS vehicles parked outside Woolies or picking the kids up at school.
Must be good having your vehicle and fuel etc paid by someone else. :x
What if this vehicle is a part of the drivers salary package? In almost every industry a vehicle is often part of their pay - why shouldn't they take it to the shops or to collect the kids? Sure it may not be used for CFS work right then, but a Regional Officer may need to go ASAP to a job, he/she shouldnt have to go home first to collect the car.
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thats probably their excuse.
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Going off track here whats that got to do with CFS needing more appliances was the topic not which one is used as a shopping trolley :-D
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Where do I get off!!!!
Normally at Woolies! :-D :-D :-D
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More appliances! Its funny how I see a lot of CFS vehicles parked outside Woolies or picking the kids up at school.
Must be good having your vehicle and fuel etc paid by someone else. :x
What if this vehicle is a part of the drivers salary package? In almost every industry a vehicle is often part of their pay - why shouldn't they take it to the shops or to collect the kids? Sure it may not be used for CFS work right then, but a Regional Officer may need to go ASAP to a job, he/she shouldnt have to go home first to collect the car.
Good point Mr T, but unfortunately, staff members have very strict rules on the usage of CFS vehicles, and in the vast vast majority of cases private use is heavily restricted. And in the vast majority of cases the vehicle isn't included in their package, it's just a means of getting to and from work. Hope that clears that point up.
Now to return to our normal transmission and thread topic
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Good point Mr T, but unfortunately, staff members have very strict rules on the usage of CFS vehicles, and in the vast vast majority of cases private use is heavily restricted. And in the vast majority of cases the vehicle isn't included in their package, it's just a means of getting to and from work. Hope that clears that point up.
Now to return to our normal transmission and thread topic
You know this because you work for CFS?
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wish some staff would park there work car in the drive way rather than on the foot path.........
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Why? - what difference does it make?
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In a small town when the council books the public for doing it and does not touch a car with red and blues on it does not look good....
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The new Hino's are 240kw and a normally aspirated engine so it looks like the slugs return.....Thanks ARTHUR :evil:
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Is it kw or Hp because i believe the turbo Isuzu's are 165kw or 220hp??
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I don't believe it would be kW. - If it is, it would have to be from the crank.
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The new Hino's are 240kw and a normally aspirated engine so it looks like the slugs return.....Thanks ARTHUR :evil:
You 100% on that? Cos i had heard they are turbo intercooled like the Izuzu's
I would find it strange that they arent either as this is Hino's matching model to the Izuzu so im told.
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Not 100% on that only going by what ive heard, but trying to get more info and model of Hino to clarify for everyone :-D
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I think it is the Hino FT.
Which are Turbo / intercooled Diesel 6's.
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From the CFS September 2006 Volunteer Magazine that I downloaded. (in page 2 of part 3 PDF).
New Appliance Technical Specifications:
All of the new appliances will be provided with air-conditioned crew cabs.
A new type of monitor is to be installed.
***NEW 34's***
25 to be delivered with one to be automatic transmission.
Hino Ranger Pro 8Z
CVM= 13 tonne
Drive= 4x4
Engine= 158kW @ 2500rpm - 608Nm @ 1500rpm
Transmission= 6 speed manual - Syncro in 2nd - 6th
Transfer Case= High range-1:1 Low Range 2.224:1
Brakes= Air over Hydralic with spring on rear wheels for Park Brake.
The articles states that roller shutters will be fitted "...waterous pumps coupled to Deutz motors..."
***NEW 34P's***
10 to be delivered.
Isuzu FTS750
CVM= 13.7 tonne
Drive= 4x4: Constant All Wheel Drive
Engine= 164kW @ 2400rpm - 668Nm @ 1500rpm
Transmission= 6 speed manual - Syncro in 2nd - 6th
Transfer Case= High range-1:1 Low Range 2.091:1
Brakes= Air over Hydralic with spring on rear wheels for Park Brake.
***New 14***
2 to be delivered, one a trial CAFS
based on a Mitsubishi Canter FE649
***Urban Pumpers***
2 to be delivered based on NSW Type 2 Pumper design
More details in the article......
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Found some more details on the Hino Ranger Pro 8Z crew...
http://www.hino.com.au/tk/tk_sub_08Zscw.pdf (http://www.hino.com.au/tk/tk_sub_08Zscw.pdf)
It does state Turbo intercooled but with a theoretical top speed of 99 KmH.
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Found some more details on the Hino Ranger Pro 8Z crew...
http://www.hino.com.au/tk/tk_sub_08Zscw.pdf (http://www.hino.com.au/tk/tk_sub_08Zscw.pdf)
It does state Turbo intercooled but with a theoretical top speed of 99 KmH.
:-P
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Found some more details on the Hino Ranger Pro 8Z crew...
http://www.hino.com.au/tk/tk_sub_08Zscw.pdf (http://www.hino.com.au/tk/tk_sub_08Zscw.pdf)
It does state Turbo intercooled but with a theoretical top speed of 99 KmH.
Most likely due to weight / speed restrictions. (I believe there is a tonnage x speed restriction, someone with further knowledge may be able to better advise on this).
Which I believe emergency vehicles are exempt from in some areas when they meet various classifications...
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I know that the current build of SES rescue truck which run the same motor as the Isuzu 34's (damn them so much less weight to carry :lol:) and because they are under a certain weight theres no speed limiter and have been know to do 140kph (yes very illegal) whereas the 34-P's are limited until the beacons are on then the limiter is off??
Auto 34 that sounds interesting.
34P with constant all wheel drive is that a typo or are they for real??
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Found some more details on the Hino Ranger Pro 8Z crew...
http://www.hino.com.au/tk/tk_sub_08Zscw.pdf (http://www.hino.com.au/tk/tk_sub_08Zscw.pdf)
It does state Turbo intercooled but with a theoretical top speed of 99 KmH.
That would be probaly because any truck over 9? tonne has to be speed limited. Even the old Hino's can get 110kph once there warm down a slight incline with a tail wind.
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our old hino 24 can sit on 110 but we seem to have got a good one as on strike teams we can always pull away from the rest of the group.
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I know that the current build of SES rescue truck which run the same motor as the Isuzu 34's (damn them so much less weight to carry :lol:) and because they are under a certain weight theres no speed limiter and have been know to do 140kph (yes very illegal) whereas the 34-P's are limited until the beacons are on then the limiter is off??
Auto 34 that sounds interesting.
34P with constant all wheel drive is that a typo or are they for real??
That is what the article stated. Checked the Isuzu spec sheet at http://www.isuzu.com.au/assets_dynamic//specsheets/66_101057AM/FSS%20550_FTS%20750_ARK0135.pdf#search=%22isuzu%20fts%20750%20specifications%22 & it states....
"...Full time 4WD with driver activated centre differential lock...." (bottom of page 2)
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Hino Ranger Pro 8Z
CVM= 13 tonne
Drive= 4x4
Engine= 158kW @ 2500rpm - 608Nm @ 1500rpm
Transmission= 6 speed manual - Syncro in 2nd - 6th
Transfer Case= High range-1:1 Low Range 2.224:1
Brakes= Air over Hydralic with spring on rear wheels for Park Brake.
158kw even worse than I thought :-P
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Thats only 6kw less then the izuzu..
Seems like they are pretty much on par. Although i havent done any driving in any of the new hino's only the old ones.
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I think Mt Barker need a spare appliance again the DENNIS is offline due to a transmission rebuild :-o
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there currently running an old MFS Volvo in its place...
would be nice if CFS had a spare pumper... would have been a great job for the old eden ford pumper
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there currently running an old MFS Volvo in its place...
would be nice if CFS had a spare pumper... would have been a great job for the old eden ford pumper
Eden Pumper is rusting away at the back of North East Isuzu all lockers open what a shame.
But the Barker boys love the Volvo :-D
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Well really why do the CFS need a spare pumper if the MFS are able to loan us one whenever we need it?
Is this not what SAFECOM is all about? Working together?
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Cam those loan pumpers are only for the region in the city area not country......
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Cam those loan pumpers are only for the region in the city area not country......
Well then why cant arrangements be made so they can go where they are needed?
It would be more cost effective to do that then have the CFS maintain their own spare pumper as you can only imagine at times it would be sitting around rusting.
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Our pumper is off line for who knows how long due to rust and we are using the region spare to do our rural work and our 34 as a urban appliances...Would be nice if we could get a pumper from the mfs or the old belair pumper that is floating around.....
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Murray Bridge are still using the old Belair pumper. New one not quite ready yet.
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The new Murray Bridge Pumper has arrived, and is ready to go...but the brigade isn't quite...the new Pumper is quiet different to the old one, and the brigade is keeping the old Pumper for about 2 weeks, while they all get familiar with new one......
Pip
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Long live the Belair Pumper (Volvo) as a spare pumper for CFS use :-D
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they should have kept eden hills and belair pumpers as spares rather than edens sitting in a yard getting rusty.....
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they should have kept eden hills and belair pumpers as spares rather than edens sitting in a yard getting rusty.....
Anyone seen the old Acco at STC bit of a waste sitting there just to pump water for courses.Could be used as a good spare :lol:
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Sound like time for new blood on these state committees rather than people who still live in the old days......
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Anyone seen the old Acco at STC bit of a waste sitting there just to pump water for courses.Could be used as a good spare :lol:
Isnt that the old Willunga Vehicle......
V8 Petrol... no exhaust brakes..... nasty....
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Negative it is Fleet 132 from MFS...BIG RED ONE :-D
Here it is
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Is that the one Mount Barker use when Dennis breaks down?
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Murray Bridge are still using the old Belair pumper. New one not quite ready yet.
i think the old Belair Pumper is broken now.... :-P
MFS will only supply CFS with a spare pumper... if they can spare it.
would make much more sense for CFS to have more of there own spare vehicles....
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Is that the one Mount Barker use when Dennis breaks down?
The appliance that Mount Barker have on loan was a Volvo not the Acco
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Yes Ryan, Mt. Barker have had 132, however it is/was in the spare pool, believe it is now in the training pool. (Don't quote me on that).
They currently have a Volvo FL7, being Fleet 121.
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Negative it is Fleet 132 from MFS...BIG RED ONE :-D
Ahh, cheers..... Shows how long since ive been there!
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I don't know why they just don't use the old trucks as spares for other brigades to use, with the ammount of older appliances comming offline due to what ever reason, they could have some minor repairs done to them to make them worthy of spare usage for brigades to use especially with all the old pumpers going offline like Eden Hills, Belair and Happy Valley Pumper. I know Eden Hills Pumper is being turned into a BWC for KI but nothing has been done with it yet except for it to rust and the Old Happy Valley Pumper is still sitting out with Eden Hills Pumper I believe with a price tag on it, why not use it if it still works as a decent fire truck. :mrgreen:
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The old Belair pumper has suffered a breakdown and you would have to look at how major the job is before you poured money into a 20 year old appliance. Not worth spending big money on such an old workhorse. Apparently the old Cudlee Creek Merc has suffered some major problems and owing to it being 22 years old it will be disposed of.
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It is all very well to use the older appliance as spares, BUT, you will find that the bulk of them have problems, and it is not economic to fix them up, and send them back out there.
However, there are a few of rear entry 34 appliances that have come out of service in the last few months, that will be retained for the fire season, as Regional spares....and some of them still have their old signwriting...if confuse the heck out of people. (Why is Lock 34 wandering around Onka Gorge...? :evil: )
Even some appliances that are only 10-14 years old, which have been replaced at a brigade,- and then refurbished before being send to another one - are being found to have some major problems (I think rust in the chassis seems to be a common problem...).
Some of the appliances that have had their life extended past the 20 years, have been done because they are in good condition....and lately, there seem to be a few of those that have broken down with plumbing problems.....
As for the old Eden Pumper, I am not so sure it will be used for a Tanker.....KI has already got a refurbished Tanker...are they getting another one? As I understand it, the old Eden Pumper (a Ford Louisville) is not too great on hills...that is in stopping on hills (or at the bottom) .. :-(
Pip
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As for the old Eden Pumper, I am not so sure it will be used for a Tanker.....KI has already got a refurbished Tanker...are they getting another one? As I understand it, the old Eden Pumper (a Ford Louisville) is not too great on hills...that is in stopping on hills (or at the bottom) .. :-(
Pip
never had a problem from my experience :?
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I have had a few comments from people who have used it (when it was a pumper!) who mentioned a few things about it......
I vaguely remember something about someone mentioning it doesn't have exhaust brakes either....making it a bit more fun when travelling down hill... :evil: Is that correct?
Pip
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i cant rememebr about the exhasut brakes... only ever passengered on it, never drove....
but i never heard any issues about it :|
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(Why is Lock 34 wandering around Onka Gorge...? :evil: )
Pip
You like that photo I took Pip, I was wondering the same thing when I saw it but the mystery is solved it is Kangarilla's spare till they get the controversial Isuzu back :-D
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I knew when I saw the photo with Lock 34 in the middle of it, who had it and why..so no mystery to me...but it confuses most other people!! :evil:
Pip
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You have to ask yourself is it worth while spending $20,000 to fix appliances that only have 15 months of life left??? Is it fair that we try and fix appliances and waste money on something that is not going to give a return??? I agree should keep some of the old appliances as spares and if edens pumper is still working send it down here till we get our pumper back.......
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From an outsiders persepctive I am a little confused....
I thought the trucks being 20 years old were unsafe & unreliable for operational duty....the owning brigades want new trucks for this reason.
Yet people want them back operationally as spares :?
If people are serious, locate some of the new vehicles as spares for a year....if your PPE is in for repairs or washing, do you want PPE that is not quite right ?
Correct me please if I am missing something. :wink:
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Eden Pumper did have brake problems, just had to be careful going down hills
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I just found Burnside's replacement and its a Scania :-D
http://www.fireengines4sale.co.uk/ViewItem.php?ItemID=1
Interesting there are still plenty of Dennis's available :lol:
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From an outsiders persepctive I am a little confused....
I thought the trucks being 20 years old were unsafe & unreliable for operational duty....the owning brigades want new trucks for this reason.
Yet people want them back operationally as spares :?
If people are serious, locate some of the new vehicles as spares for a year....if your PPE is in for repairs or washing, do you want PPE that is not quite right ?
Correct me please if I am missing something. :wink:
When the 20 year old truck, still far outdoes the 20 day old truck, that is the problem ;)
8-)
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I just found Burnside's replacement and its a Scania :-D
http://www.fireengines4sale.co.uk/ViewItem.php?ItemID=1
Intersting there are still plenty of Dennis's available :lol:
Thats a bit harsh - the second and third vehicles here may be more appropriate:
http://www.fireengines4sale.co.uk/ShowCategory.php?CategoryID=23&PHPSESSID=99dcb50cba709db91b6eb8a2319f3104
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Burnside should just take a type 2 pumper and get over it,if they dont wont one I know a couple of country brigade's that would love a good pumper
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Back to the original posting - CFS needing more appliances!
from all reports, far and wide, forget the more appliances we need more members first and foremost and then we need to train them!
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would have to agree there.......
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Back to the original posting - CFS needing more appliances!
from all reports, far and wide, forget the more appliances we need more members first and foremost and then we need to train them!
Need the extra training courses to be able to get them on the appliances too :roll:
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Burnside should just take a type 2 pumper and get over it,if they dont wont one I know a couple of country brigade's that would love a good pumper
but bill, it just wouldn't be burnside unless they got a truck the same as the mets. seeming as they're in my group, i personally look forward to the day if they get a scania, because we will get a play. am i correct in saying the current burnside pumper was the same as MFS trucks when it was purchased anyway? if so, keep up the tradition!
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Neeeeeeeeeeexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxtttttttt :roll:
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that response made no sense. ^^
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that response made no sense. ^^
perhaps everyone is fed up hearing about burnside pumper saga???
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Well said medevac :-D
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that response made no sense. ^^
perhaps everyone is fed up hearing about burnside pumper saga???
Don't read it if your that upset.
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Yeah so anyway....
Oz / bill - Re: the training and members.. - I also agree.. However have heard there is no training being conducted over the summer season at STC due to operational requirements when it comes to fire activity etc..
Will we end up only training members over the 6 months of winter? do we need more trainers before we can train new members?
Many questions there which I am unsure of the answers.. but hope recruitment, training and retention levels increase in the future.. :)
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It is rare that there are training courses at STC during summer of any year...usually it finishes up in the first or second week of December, and restarts somewhere around Marchish I think....so nothing unusual about no training.
The unusual thing this year was that they cancelled a few courses in December...
My Group is running a BFF-1 Course in the middle of the fire season this year...we normally try & avoid running courses at this time of year, but we have heaps of people needing undertake the BFF-1 (all of whom have joined since December)...it does put a bit of stress on some people to do the training, but ultimately, it helps, as brigades will have more people to help with all the calls... :-)
Pip
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Our group is running a BFF1 course the second week in Feb,and it was the only way that we could get new members on the appliances now rather than wait till its a little less risky...may be we need to look at running courses over summer at STC and the other TC that are around the place...But if we do that then who is going to instruct will it be the paid staff or the volunteers???? I dont think BFF1 should be held at TC or STC the group base is the best place and that way new members get to see station life and its members.....MY VIEW ONLY
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The no training at STC happens every year as Pip said. This is one of the reasons that CFS uses STC staff for Air ops and the like. They can easily drop every thing and go to operational duties. Bit harder when they are running courses. Also spreads the load a bit. Cant really employ more staff for STC due to the $$.
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Just need more $$
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Maybe we can sell raffle tickets at the local supermarket :-D
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We have a long way to go yet even though equipment is improving there are some absolute death traps out there.....Still
If Safecom was using its business mind correctly, why do we have a MFS store where everything is always kept for the MFS and a pair of boots cost them $84 a pair, and CFS $200 a pair?
We should now have the combined buying power of a very large service SAFECOM so why are we still paying through the nose for it as individuals.
Solution
Buy Appliances in bulk for all services(The suppliers would give a better discount for 100 at a time not 20 or 30)
Setup a central store(aka MFS)already done for all services
Standardise uniforms-works for CFA
There is too much of one offs, green, blue, khaki
Lets get a more professional look
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Just need more $$
If only it was that simple. CFS is SAFECOM is Government, and with an election coming up the government is not letting anyone put on any more FTE's (Full Time Equivelents). and if more FTE's are REQUIRED, then a submission must be made to cabinet, and cabinet must approve it. It would be nice if it was as simple as more $$
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bring back the chock raffle at the pub
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Entertainment Books are a good fundraiser :wink:
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Kersbrook are getting their new 34 tonight at 1900.
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There are plenty of new appliances coming just a question of who gets them, wait and see.
There are 10 Mills Tui Built 34P's due out sometime :|
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I realise this isn't CFS but according to a mate in Victor MFS they are having their Isuzu(711) replaced with a brand spankin Scania, i don't know when, but would have thought there's other busier sations out there that could use one (unless MFS are building a few for the retained stations) :|
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Could well be right. All of the Adelaide area are running at least 1 scania 94D. Mt Gambier, Pt Augusta and Whyalla are also. Also I hear Pt Pirie are getting a 93M so Victor are probably justified in getting a new one.
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You would think that the newies would go to a station that does more than 200 jobs a year Victor only do 150-180 a year :?
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There are plenty of new appliances coming just a question of who gets them, wait and see.
There are 10 Mills Tui Built 34P's due out sometime :|
I wont say no to one. But havent the CFS had trouble with Mills Tui trucks before?
Although didnt the last batch of SEM 34P's have a few problems?
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I think every single batch of trucks the CFS has had built has had problems so that shouldn't be an uncommon thing, it's a fact of life that there are teething problems we should just be thankful we're getting new trucks :-)
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Could well be right. All of the Adelaide area are running at least 1 scania 94D. Mt Gambier, Pt Augusta and Whyalla are also. Also I hear Pt Pirie are getting a 93M so Victor are probably justified in getting a new one.
There is plenty of spares at Angle Park :lol:
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Its more likely Victor would get a 93M to replace the Volvo, if stations like Lincoln are still only getting FL7's then I doubt Victor would get a brand new 94D, unless there is other plans for Victor (read perms) they might not do many calls but it is a high profile area, stranger things have happened. But a 93M seems more likely. There are heaps of those lying around. For info, there are still 2 x 1997 93M's to be replaced in urban stations, being 329 and 409. There are 2 new pumps on order this year, you do the math?
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All i was told was they wer getting the scania, would have to agree it would be an older one, but they're keeping the volvo
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Maybe he meant "new" Scania, as in refurbished, the Isuzu seems a little underdone for a fire truck, and they are often out of area for rescues, maybe the talk of 7 story buildings prompted the move, who knows, they will be laughing if they got a brand new 94D, good luck to them if they do !
But it has to be parked in the station to be considered a correct story!
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But it has to be parked in the station to be considered a correct story!
Ha ha so very true with everything nowadays
They don't go out of area too much for rescue, they really only cover their primary rescue area which is about 10kms toward mount compass, all of waitpinga and the town itself.
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Maybe the talk of 7 story buildings prompted the move, who knows, they will be laughing if they got a brand new 94D, good luck to them if they do !
But it has to be parked in the station to be considered a correct story!
I know where there is a spare aerial appliance, Morita Ladder which will be good for Victor's high rises :-P