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Equipment => All Equipment discussion => Topic started by: Katrina on August 27, 2008, 09:07:20 PM
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I hear that Penola and some other stations in Wattle Range might be getting some new trucks (or are they getting new second hand ones???) who else is getting new trucks around the place or is it like shuffling a deck of cards and only 1 station getting a new truck and then we just move the rest around?
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I hear that Penola and some other stations in Wattle Range might be getting some new trucks (or are they getting new second hand ones???) who else is getting new trucks around the place or is it like shuffling a deck of cards and only 1 station getting a new truck and then we just move the rest around?
You catch on fast :lol:
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lol new trucks i heard varley are takin an eternity to build trucks...very good yes but slow. apparantly there up to thirty appliances behind schedule but still guarantee to fill their contract by june next year when Moore get new contract...
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several varley 34s are already in sa. Not long till there released to brigades now. ive heard weeks not months.
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And yet again, its not the Brigades that need the new trucks that get 'em...
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several varley 34s are already in sa. Not long till there released to brigades now. ive heard weeks not months.
There are 3 running around at present still doing tests on them and showing them off.
Here is the cleanest one
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Got told Penola gets there's within the fortnight, I knew things had been put in pipeline but was starting to think was actually dreaming and that it would never actually happen
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gee that bad batch penola got one from has really stuffed things.
i am going to ask again has anyone heard about the 34ps?
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dont think theyve been started, till they complete the 34 order.
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gee that bad batch penola got one from has really stuffed things.
I am going to ask again has anyone heard about the 34ps?
Varley are building the next batch of 34P's and Moore's the 34's on Isuzu Cab Chassis
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08:15:46 28-08-08 WRGP: New Penola 34 arriving at 5.30pm on Sept 9th. All members please attend for familiarisation & bbq to follow. Thanks, John. 28/08/2008 8:16:02 CFS Penola Info
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Sa fiery I mean the 34ps in the 07/08 financial year budget that should be hear about now?
not the recent order
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they should be ready with the normal 34's.
Varley Qld was building them so they wouldnt have to wait for the 34's to finish. If the 34's are about the be delievered im sure we will hear about the P's shortly.
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Does anyone know exactly how many 34's and 34P's are actually being made. Asking cause i've heard of about 20 different brgades laying claim to a 34P but heard there's only about 8? being produced. Those in the know please feel free to enlightnen me.
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4 4xBA set 34's
6 2xBA set 34's
10 34P's
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So Katrina where is the old 34 going to?? I did hear it was going to the lower south east then i did hea that the group wanted to send it to a briagde whos applianc is due for the tip....Make sure you get some nice happy photo's.. I would come along and take them but yet again i will be in Adelaide...
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Is it just being shifted around within our area, doing the old shuffle maybe??
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So Katrina where is the old 34 going to??
The group would like to pass it on to Maaoupe, but no doubt its new home will be at the whim of someone in I&L.
The departing truck is a hazmat unit. There seems to be some question as to whether the new one will have room for forestry gear & hazmat too. We might have to invest in a couple of plastic tubs for the hazmat gear, and remember to grab them for the bi-annual hazmat jobs!
There's nothing wrong with the present truck - it's a good appliance, so it's a wonderful luxury to be getting a new one. It will be interesting to see how it goes.
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and remember to grab them for the bi-annual hazmat jobs!
Now your gonna get numerous hazmats for saying that...murphys law...Dont worry, i said the same thing and well...i ended up kicking myself.
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I Understand that Glencoe will also be getting a new 34 before summer may be someone in your group can confirm this?? You may have to invest in a hazmat trailer as there is not much room on the new 34 as its a rural appliance....
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There is no room on the older 34's either !!
This is all happening to let them fix the dodgy 34's and those that have them are getting new one's, its not really a rotation program as I hardly think Penola and Glencoe are what you would call busy brigades. Once they get these one would assume they will have them for life.
The 34P's have been built, they were done by Varleys NSW factory, but after the farce with the Mills Tui 34P's wouldn't you want to make sure they are 100% before dishing them out !!
You will notice the 08/09 are ready to start production, all the new cab/chassis are being shipped in as we speak, just look at Isuzu's yard.
The 34's will be Moores again, the 34P's are Varley NSW again and they should be able to just carry on building.
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yeah i guess making them 100% is a good move. But it would be nice to hear something or see some pics.
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so is it just the brigades that do a huge amount of incidents a year that deserve a new appliance. isnt it right to theink that every brigade should have the right to the best appliance to protect their community. i know we are only a couple of years away from ours being 20 years old and we never get in to double figures for incidents. but ill be puttin my hand up for a new truck.
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Its called managing your fleet !!
Look at an interstate trucking company, do they put their brand new trucks on local, no. They gradually donwgrade the trucks onot intrastate , then local then sell them.
A fire service is no different. A brand new truck sitting in a less than 10 call a year brigade isn't managing your fleet. A 5-10 year old truck that is in perfect working order will do fine for those 10 calls, and that truck will have been worn in and perhaps have the bugs worked out. Gone are the days of councils buying new trucks every 20 years, and look at it this way, I doubt many people will keep a truck for 20 years anymore, they might get it when its 10 and keep it until its 20, and those that might be doing 250 calls a year plus might only keep a truck 5 years (ok morphett vale excepted).
You have to look at it from the big picture, which I myself probably don't do enough. This way we can try and keep on top of a rapidly aging fleet and get the best value for the large capital outlay.
There are some areas that pull the old political line and get their local polly to get them a new truck.....I have seen it happen.
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It seems 5-7 years for all pumper/24P/34P appliances to be moved along...so even the Type 2's will eventually move along down the chain.
But i asked a random, whats a type 2 pumper..."eh, whats that?...all i know is 14,24,34,24P,34P...must be a collectors edition truck!"
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Well there is only 7 of them so I guess you could say its a collecters item
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And i think there would be a need for about 30 all up over the state?
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so is it just the brigades that do a huge amount of incidents a year that deserve a new appliance. isnt it right to theink that every brigade should have the right to the best appliance to protect their community. i know we are only a couple of years away from ours being 20 years old and we never get in to double figures for incidents. but ill be puttin my hand up for a new truck.
Of course, but what about a few brigades that are going around? Hundreds of incidents a year, all but one of their trucks are older than 15 years, a few are far older than 20 years . You can't suggest that your brigade that in 30 years will not have the same work load as other brigades have in a single year, deserves a new appliance. You must be mad.
As you say, the "Best" appliance to protect their community. I'm pretty sure you could easily do with a 10 year old retread.
It seems 5-7 years for all pumper/24P/34P appliances to be moved along...so even the Type 2's will eventually move along down the chain.
But i asked a random, whats a type 2 pumper..."eh, whats that?...all i know is 14,24,34,24P,34P...must be a collectors edition truck!"
Getting moved along a chain is great, the problem is that the chain needs to start in the correct postion...
As far as the "Type 2" pumper, don't we in the CFS just call them a pumper? If we are going to adopt another services naming scheme then it looks like the 34P's just became Type 1's!
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May be if briagde's filled i paperwork that says they did training and fire calls and attended a community event that they may get a new appliance...
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As far as im aware (could be wrong though) i heard that some of the 2005 model 34's, ie the 1st one with the hose reel above the deck were going to be rotated this year. Meaning the likes of Happy Valley etc would receive a newie and theirs would be shuffled somewhere else. Unless since i heard this things have changed (not unsual in the CFS :-D). Zippy, i though there were more 34's than that being built, although the 34P figure sounds right.
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nah, like each year seems to be 10 of each.
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The "type 2" or medium pumper is more of a proper fire truck than our "P's" bolted to the back of a tray top truck, so i would expect them to stay in their brigades for probably the full 20 years if thats possible.
Even if they chose to cycle em.....where would they send em? Those that have pumpers are probably the only ones that deserve them, unless they are going to take the angle of the CFA and give every brigade that has a house, a pumper.
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You will notice the 08/09 are ready to start production, all the new cab/chassis are being shipped in as we speak, just look at Isuzu's yard.
The 34's will be Moores again, the 34P's are Varley NSW again and they should be able to just carry on building.
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Wonder what they are doing with the emission system exhaust on the new Euro 4 model Isuzu`s ? The owners manual states not to park the vehicles near grass etc when doing a manual burn of the particulate matter. Seeing you cannot control when the normal cycle particulate matter burn occurs you would be pretty embarassed to be starting fires in a paddock with your brand new fire appliance.
The Euro 4 have horizontally mounted exhaust systems that get very hot when the burn off the particulate matter. The answer may be to mount the exhaust system vertically at the rear of the appliance like some of the other P`s, with some kind of guard around it.
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Well thats the way of the future, so hopefully manafacturers are thinking of this, imagine all those trucks having to come off the run because they are starting fires !! :lol:
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It seems 5-7 years for all pumper/24P/34P appliances to be moved along...so even the Type 2's will eventually move along down the chain.
But i asked a random, whats a type 2 pumper..."eh, whats that?...all i know is 14,24,34,24P,34P...must be a collectors edition truck!"
It is as there are only 7 of them in service..Lucky 7 :-P
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and those lucky 7 aren't likely to give them up after only a few years, unless being replaced with something pretty awesome. Something akin to a Burnside Volvo.
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So anyone got the goss on where the new trucks are going? ie 34's and 34P's?
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Noarlunga Dump..
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nah, i put $50 on Iron Knob Dump.
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Fridge or seat everyones a winner! :wink:
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Fridge or seat everyones a winner! :wink:
yeah good to see a bit of choice, but it just seems odd somehow!
(and "safireservice" ask your group officer)
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So anyone got the goss on where the new trucks are going? ie 34's and 34P's?
To the least appropriate brigades!
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do we get a choice about having a fridge or seat?
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THE CAPTAIN IS CALLING A SPECIAL MEETING TONIGHT 2000 HOURS ABOUT OUR NEW FIRE TRUCK CFS Wilmington Info.......??????????
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If they get a new truck i think we really need to do something. Promo site has them doing 12 jobs last year.
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do we get a choice about having a fridge or seat?
choice of 4 bucket seats or 3 and a fridge. Thats on the newer model isuzus 800 series,
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Ill go with the 2 BA seats and a Bench seat for those with less feet space thanks ;)
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Mintaro have received their new 34, and there are another six which have now been registered due for delivery to brigades at some stage.
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make sure that when you get a new appliance(34 or 34p) that you check every thing that is on it and that also includes the first aid kits... I had a look in the first aid kit on the new penola 34 and guess what items where out of date and the kit did not have its full contents as per the tender. So make sure you check it all as you never know how long some of these items have been sitting on the shelf....