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Title: Recruitment 2019
Post by: FF GAZZ on June 12, 2019, 06:11:00 PM
Expect 4 information sessions for new recruitment to be coming up at the end of June.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: 2beus on June 17, 2019, 06:12:21 PM
What’s the go with recruitment this year? I didn’t make it past the aptitude testing and got a no thanks email, I’ve heard ppl have been told
They can’t re apply until 2020 but that wasn’t instructed to me on my email. Anyone got any ideals on that? Generally it’s a 12 month wait to re sit tests for safe select testing materials.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: SammyT on July 31, 2019, 07:19:52 PM
The abilities testing is valid for 2 years if you pass, therefore if you do not pass, you can not apply for another 2 years as you would be in the same pool of people that passed when you didn’t unfortunately
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: canine on August 01, 2019, 12:04:20 PM
It's says on new applications if you applied in 2018 than you can apply this campaign.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: canine on August 01, 2019, 05:31:55 PM
So this group of applicants get to sit the personality profiling and aptitude at home on their own computer?? And then it's meant to be fair that their results mix in with the people that remain in pool who sat it under much different conditions.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Crow on August 02, 2019, 10:54:00 AM
Canine,

Doesn't seem like they would get consistent results. Potential for people to have someone over their shoulder trying to 'help'. They may only be 'hurting themselves' but they will also skew results.


Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Don84 on August 21, 2019, 08:59:01 PM
Hey guys,

Put my hat into the ring this year. First time.

Have had a read of what's in store. Would love to hear from people that have had some success with the recruitment if they have any pointers with the testing and if there's any study that can help. Online personality and aptitude testing first up.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: TexMex on August 26, 2019, 05:00:54 PM
I did the cognify testing today and 100% would've preferred a standardised testing environment as opposed to those games.

I've spent the last few weeks preparing and it was nothing like I had prepared for.

Add in the fact that my internet kept cutting out and having troubles with my mouse just made it all that much more frustrating  :x

Good luck to everybody else and fingers crossed for good news for all.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: FireyV on August 26, 2019, 06:21:28 PM
Seems strange that results from last year (people in the Stay Fit) are going to be compared with a totally different testing system.

Hopefully you did better then you think TexMex!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: SammyT on August 26, 2019, 10:15:49 PM
Hey Tex Mex, are these games like revelian cognitive games now? No real way to study for these I’ve heard
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: TexMex on August 27, 2019, 05:48:49 AM
Thanks FireyV, I hope so too!

SamnyT - yeah, they were the revelian cognify games.

Not complaining as I know I could've done better but I definitely didn't feel it was the most accurate way to measure a person's cognitive ability with just the games alone.

I know FRNSW used it last year in conjunction with the RCAT etc but scrapped the games this year.

Whatever be the case I wish everyone good luck and hope to see you guy at the PAT  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Colbz22 on September 05, 2019, 12:06:56 PM
Has anyone received any feedback from the abilities testing yet?

I was unable to do the Revelian test as they used results from the NSW campaign last year. And also wasn’t required to do the psychological stuff as apparently last years SAMFS one was good enough
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: canine on September 05, 2019, 07:43:33 PM
I thought you couldn't apply this time if you applied last time?
And don't expect any meaningful feedback
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Colbz22 on September 06, 2019, 10:36:18 AM
I didn’t do application they just sent an email saying Further to previous correspondence your application in the 2018 Firefighter Recruitment and Selection Campaign remains valid and you are now invited to re-contest the Online Cognitive Ability assessment.

Hopefully they give word soon for PAT1
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: canine on September 06, 2019, 06:58:51 PM
1500 new applicants from latest applications.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: FireyV on September 10, 2019, 12:47:48 PM
Has anyone received or heard of someone receiving an invite to the PAT1 testing yet?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: TexMex on September 10, 2019, 01:49:10 PM
I haven't heard anything yet and my Revelian results still haven't been released.

According to the calendar we should hopefully be hearing something shortly so fingers crossed and good luck!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: FF GAZZ on September 13, 2019, 06:06:06 PM
Anyone heard anything?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Colbz22 on September 14, 2019, 12:50:24 PM
Yeah I got unsuccessful email yesterday, what do they expect when they use results that were previously unsuccessful. Fell short by half a month to reattempt test. All the best ladies and gents hopefully next year is my year.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: canine on September 14, 2019, 01:06:56 PM
Yeah I got unsuccessful email yesterday, what do they expect when they use results that were previously unsuccessful. Fell short by half a month to reattempt test. All the best ladies and gents hopefully next year is my year.

So did U have to pay another $100?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Colbz22 on September 14, 2019, 03:50:54 PM
No didn’t pay $100 again it just carried on from last years campaign.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: TexMex on September 16, 2019, 11:01:12 AM
I've still not heard anything. Hoping for the best but prepared for whatever. Good luck to everyone :)
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Responder-101 on September 18, 2019, 08:38:23 PM
Hi guys/girls, I created this account just to let you know I received an unsuccessful email today, and to say thanks to everyone who's posted here and in the 2018 thread (and previous years), it's been good info!

I received an email stating that while I achieved a satisfactory result in the cognitive ability assessments, the results from my personality and behavioural assessment has placed me in a position that will not see me progress in this process, and that this result remains valid for 2 years.

Does anyone have any advice on how to better prepare and complete the personality profiler for 2 years time when I am eligible to re-apply? I'm quite confused as I felt that I answered the ~300 questions honestly and accurately, and my real-world personality/behaviours truly reflects that which the MFS outlined as required on their website. It's a difficult way to fail, as it's not due to lack of effort, skills, abilities, organisation, or fitness, and as we all know, we can't get any feedback from the MFS.

Thanks again everyone, and good luck to those still in the mix, I look forward to hearing about the journey!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: canine on September 18, 2019, 09:52:39 PM
Hi guys/girls, I created this account just to let you know I received an unsuccessful email today, and to say thanks to everyone who's posted here and in the 2018 thread (and previous years), it's been good info!

I received an email stating that while I achieved a satisfactory result in the cognitive ability assessments, the results from my personality and behavioural assessment has placed me in a position that will not see me progress in this process, and that this result remains valid for 2 years.

Does anyone have any advice on how to better prepare and complete the personality profiler for 2 years time when I am eligible to re-apply? I'm quite confused as I felt that I answered the ~300 questions honestly and accurately, and my real-world personality/behaviours truly reflects that which the MFS outlined as required on their website. It's a difficult way to fail, as it's not due to lack of effort, skills, abilities, organisation, or fitness, and as we all know, we can't get any feedback from the MFS.

Thanks again everyone, and good luck to those still in the mix, I look forward to hearing about the journey!

The profiling is all.about your risk score. There are  plenty of websites around that have sample questions. However if you improve you profiling too much from one test tomtje next  then this will also see you not progress.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Firie1997 on September 19, 2019, 03:28:04 PM
 
Received an email last Friday saying this

Dear Applicant
 
Your completed Cognitive Ability Assessment is acknowledged and we advise that you have been successful in achieving a satisfactory result to continue in the process.
 
To aid the MFS in ensuring currency of applicant profiles, we require you to now complete the Online Personality and Behavioural Assessment component.


Did the personality test a few days back now just playing the waiting game.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: TexMex on September 19, 2019, 04:38:45 PM
I received an email stating that while I achieved a satisfactory result in the cognitive ability assessments, the results from my personality and behavioural assessment has placed me in a position that will not see me progress in this process, and that this result remains valid for 2 years.

I received the same email. What's confusing is that all the "practice" tests gave me excellent suitability scores so I am not really too sure where I went wrong although apparently some of them may flag you if it thinks you're trying to be too perfect, who knows.

I would've liked to know what parts of my behaviour need improvement to work on genuine change for the next time around but I've got two years to figure it out  :-D

All the best to everyone else still going!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Firie1997 on September 19, 2019, 04:43:14 PM
Wait you received the same email to do the psych and got one back saying unsuccessful s??  When did you do it and how long did they take to get back to you?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Responder-101 on September 19, 2019, 07:13:53 PM
I received an email stating that while I achieved a satisfactory result in the cognitive ability assessments, the results from my personality and behavioural assessment has placed me in a position that will not see me progress in this process, and that this result remains valid for 2 years.

I received the same email. What's confusing is that all the "practice" tests gave me excellent suitability scores so I am not really too sure where I went wrong although apparently some of them may flag you if it thinks you're trying to be too perfect, who knows.

I would've liked to know what parts of my behaviour need improvement to work on genuine change for the next time around but I've got two years to figure it out  :-D

All the best to everyone else still going!

I feel the same mate. I made sure not to 'strongly' agree/disagree with anything unless I could back that opinion up in an interview, and only clicked the 'unsure' (or whatever the middle ground option was) 2 or 3 times. I guess the difference is that this test had the MFS on the other side with a very specific profile in mind, and the practice tests are generic.

This is probably the worst phase to 'fail' in, because we have absolutely no idea what went wrong and where to improve, especially when I'm confident that my personality and behaviour traits would be an excellent fit to what was outlined in the position information document. They've always said to answer honestly and don't over think the questions, makes it hard to improve on if you've already done that, the answers in the future test will be exactly the same!

If I could only pass the personality test and get myself in front of an interview panel, then I wouldn't feel so bad about dropping out after I've had a proper chance to explain myself, my experiences, my motives etc.

I've set the date on a 2021 calendar already.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: TexMex on September 23, 2019, 10:05:38 AM
Yeah, who knows how they score it mate. Disappointing yes, but not the end of the world. I would've loved some feedback as well as to what my shortcomings were but try not to get too down about the "what if" side of things.

Two years is definitely a long wait and knowing that if your answers change too much they also flag it doesn't sound too hopeful but I'll keep trying and will eventually get there.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: canine on September 23, 2019, 01:33:01 PM
There is also a how much does the test think you are bull shitting score, if its too high U also don't progress
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: FireyV on September 26, 2019, 11:29:00 AM
Anyone received an invitation to the PAT1?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Johnny82 on September 26, 2019, 03:12:26 PM
Anyone received an invitation to the PAT1?

I am still waiting to hear mate. Thought about emailing HR but haven’t yet. 
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: canine on September 26, 2019, 03:51:02 PM
Having passed the psych and revelian doesnt guarantee a pat1, there was applicants still left over from last process still in the mix.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: FF GAZZ on October 01, 2019, 07:28:26 PM
Advisory dates have been removed from the recruitment schedule calendar.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Crow on October 03, 2019, 05:48:47 PM
 Just got an 'unlikely to be invited to pat1'

Says they had lots of applicants this year.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: FF GAZZ on October 03, 2019, 07:57:41 PM
Just got an 'unlikely to be invited to pat1'

Says they had lots of applicants this year.

Same here
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Surf78 on October 03, 2019, 09:17:23 PM
Yep got the same unlikely email
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: CFS_fire32 on October 04, 2019, 10:14:22 PM
Anyone from the 2018 "keep fit" pool that didn't get an unlikely to progress email?

Seems a bit rough that these applicants were mixed in and directly compared against the 2019 applicants who undertook different testing under different conditions...
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Applicant on October 05, 2019, 09:42:47 AM
From the sounds of things all of us from 2018 recruitment have received the same email. It's a bit vague whether it's an outright dismissal the way it was worded "unlikely". It's a shame no more information can be provided on future progression.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Scoot on October 08, 2019, 04:44:30 PM
I also received this “unlikely” email. I’ll cop it on the chin even though I don’t really understand how you can compare a supervised test to one undertaken around home. But best of luck to everyone in with a chance.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: canine on October 08, 2019, 08:20:05 PM
First line of the MFS recruitment policy: All recruitment processes will be conducted in a fair and equitable manner.

Doesn't appear that is the case......
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Left foot snap on October 09, 2019, 12:38:15 PM
First line of the MFS recruitment policy: All recruitment processes will be conducted in a fair and equitable manner.

Doesn't appear that is the case......

Stop being a sook. If you want to know why you haven’t processed perhaps try some self reflection. A self entitled whinger who has no self awareness and blames other people and/or the process rather than taking responsibility for the outcomes of their own responses and actions is not what the MFS is looking for. 
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Scoot on October 09, 2019, 02:07:16 PM
Left foot snap, I personally don’t have a problem with what has happened although I can understand how some people can feel a bit jibbed going through one process to then have to compete with people that went through a completely different process.

I don’t think calling anyone a sook will help either.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: canine on October 09, 2019, 03:58:03 PM
First line of the MFS recruitment policy: All recruitment processes will be conducted in a fair and equitable manner.

Doesn't appear that is the case......

Stop being a sook. If you want to know why you haven’t processed perhaps try some self reflection. A self entitled whinger who has no self awareness and blames other people and/or the process rather than taking responsibility for the outcomes of their own responses and actions is not what the MFS is looking for.

Where did I sook or say I havnt progressed??
I and others on this forum don't think it's fair and equitable for applicants merging in to the same process to complete testing under different conditions. Not sure how U can argue with that.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Applicant on October 10, 2019, 04:16:30 PM
@Canine I agree, we can't begin to speculate the reasoning behind it but I think our applications should've taken precedent seeing as the testing was different and that we were deemed good enough to pass the first gateway. Either we passed and we are able to progress or we didn't and our applications should of ceased, we shouldn't be stuck in limbo like we are and then be stepped over because there's an abundance of new applicants. We all worked very hard to get through this process like everyone else, its definitely a bad position that we've found ourselves in.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Surf78 on October 11, 2019, 02:03:57 PM
Yep its interesting

I had a mate that didn’t get through it jokingly say to me we’ll have to do the test together next time! Maybe he wasn’t joking!

Oh well, just keep plugging away and try again next time, although the email did say unlikely to progress so they haven’t burnt our bridges fully! You never know!
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Crow on November 01, 2019, 08:08:10 AM
So last post 11th October and the MFS website still says To Be Advised...

Has anyone heard anything, or have they just frozen the process?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Applicant on November 03, 2019, 07:11:35 AM
The entire process has broken down, everyone is in the same boat atm.
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Gpats on November 09, 2019, 03:40:39 PM
I couldn't make it this morning but did anyone happen to go to the MFS open day today?
Any insights on the current recruitment process or perhaps any information on what recruitment is going to look like next year?
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: canine on November 13, 2019, 07:18:43 PM
I couldn't make it this morning but did anyone happen to go to the MFS open day today?
Any insights on the current recruitment process or perhaps any information on what recruitment is going to look like next year?

I heard the first squad next year will start in April/May
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: Responder-101 on December 17, 2019, 05:21:09 AM
There are updated dates on the recruitment process page on the MFS website. PAT1 underway this week according to the website.

w/c 16 Dec - PAT 1
w/c 20 Jan - Interview
w/c 10 Feb onwards - PAT 2, pre employment checks, licencing, and offers
Title: Re: Recruitment 2019
Post by: MFSAPP2020 on January 08, 2020, 03:02:17 PM
Has anybody heard back about interviews? As far as I am aware they are to commence the week of 20/1. I have completed my aptitude & PAT1 'successfully' but I am racking my brain as its starting to cut it close to the dates for interviews and I would like to plan a holiday around the time of interviews.

Thanks.