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Country Fire Service / Re: SES Response times
« on: February 09, 2006, 08:22:17 AM »
Quote from: Laska on February 08, 2006, 08:52:38 PM

Isn't speed important when it has a potential to harm what we're supposed to protect.. with Life being one of them? If we can remove a tree on a busy country road in 10 minutes, which would take the SES 60 minutes to get to, then we're reducing the chance of a bad car accident by a multiple of 6..

However.. to each their own.. Not everyone will agree on everything..

During the past 12 months plus all SES Units are reviewing response times. Majority of SES Units will now have a vehicle on the road within an average of 10 minutes. Especially the RCR crews.

In the past I believe SES Units were very bad in response times. But I believe majority of SES Units are equal to other organisations now.

Some SES Units still have a looooong response time and they are known to operations staff. This problem is specially during working day-time & is actively being addressed by SHQ & Central Region staff.

If it is deemed a life threat situation, then the quickest response to 'make the situation safe' is requested.

In metropolitan Adelaide this is normally SAPOL who assess and secure the site with lights and cones.

In the country areas the closest & quickest emergency service will be despatched to the scene to make the situation safe. Then additional resources will be despatched to resolve the problem safely.

Interesting reading this thread & fantastic to know we work together as a team of trained professionals.

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SA Firefighter General / Re: Issuing Rural Schools & High Schools with Scanners
« on: February 08, 2006, 09:18:01 AM »
Would be useful if the person lisening to the scanner was trained to understand the messages and correctly interpret them.

If they mis-understood what they heard and then took action without verification, then that to myself is dangerous.

Would it not be better for the school to be notified by the local brigade (via fire siren ?) that a situation exists in their area. If they need further information, get them to call the 1300 362361 or the local CFS Brigade.

Sound like an opportunity for a community emergency plan for all major community buildings (eg libraries, schools, shops, council, major work places, etc) to be developed for any emergency situation. I understand the plan would include what action people take, who get information from, evacuation centres, evacuation routes, etc.

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SA Firefighter General / Re: SAAS Responding Other Services..
« on: February 08, 2006, 08:58:57 AM »
This was a quick despatching if I am interpreting the pager website correctly.

09:39:36 08-02-06 SHQ: CFSRES BLANCHETOWN CFS AND SES RESPOND MVA STURT HWY, BLANCHETOWN - 500M WEST OF BROOKSFIELD CONS. PARK - 1 ENTRAPMENT 2 CARS

09:39:16 08-02-06 BV84 Cat2 Sturt Hwy, Blanchetown

09:38:25 08-02-06 WK81 Cat2 Sturt Hwy, Blanchetown.

So it can be done.

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Country Fire Service / Re: Tree on the road.
« on: February 08, 2006, 08:21:34 AM »
Quote from: Roger on February 07, 2006, 05:26:51 PM
So who do you think should go in MFS (Full-time) areas? MFS are there (and being paid to be) or SES vols?

Totally agree if the risk is high and immediate, then the most appropriate and quickest resource should be available.

This happened during the 2005 major storm events in metro Adelaide when MFS, CFS & SAPOL liaison officers were utilised within the SES State Control Centre.

Then if required, specialised equipment or resources to be dispatched if the first responder cannot resolve the situation.

This happened when MFS, CFS, SAPOL, SES Dog squad, etc provided reconnaissance and simple clean up or make safe. Then SES crews provided specialised equipment (eg vertical rope anchors, cherry picker truck, pole chain saw, etc) when the tasking was beyond first responder. This included when ETSA crews cleared power, but not enough equipment to make safe.

Working together is always going to be the best way.

But for my info, would you prefer to send a paid MFS person to every tree/storm task in the metro Adelaide area or leave it with an SES volunteer ? The same would be asked for major regional centres (eg Whyalla, Mt Gambier, Pt Augusta, etc).

Personally, I would leave it to the volunteer and save the budget money for more equipment & training resources. Let the paid MFS continue to provide primary response to fire and RCR.

But then I am an SES volunteer so this opinion could be protecting my own patch.   =;)

I would be interested in other peoples opinion. :?

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SA Firefighter General / Re: boat fires out to sea
« on: February 06, 2006, 12:14:48 PM »
Quote from: mundcfs on January 31, 2006, 07:50:57 PM
If you've ever had to help bring someone off a jetty in a marina or the like on a spinal board and people on both sides there isn't much room and the water is pretty deep below you, plus jetties and boats are extremely slippery, in my opinion PFD's would be a handy thing to have????

From the pager website.
12:57:56 06-02-06 SHQ: *URGMSG: CEDUNA SES RESPOND ASSIST SAAS, CEDUNA JETTY - TRANSFER PATIENT OFF SMALL BOAT, REQUIRE BOAT AND CREW AT JETTY > 6/02/2006 12:57:45

From a my limited understanding the volunteer emergency boat crews (sea rescue, SES, volunteer coast guard, etc) all come under the Volunteer Marine Rescue co-ordinator which is part of SES. See http://www.ses.sa.gov.au/aboutses/volmarinerescue.htm

The original incumberant is retiring and a new person has been appointed.

During the Eyre Peninsula fires, Port Lincoln SES boat was used at North Shields. Could the same be used on the lakes (eg with Victor Harbor-Goolwa Sea Rescue Squadron Inc.) or combined training with them ?

Maybe the equipment could be sourced via the new co-ordinator ?

Just some thoughts and ramblings....

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Country Fire Service / Re: Tree on the road.
« on: February 06, 2006, 09:43:38 AM »
Quote from: fire03rescue on February 06, 2006, 09:27:36 AM
Went to a tree on a drive once, we did the PR thing and moved and cut up. The owner then asked us to take the tree with us. I said we don't do that. The owner said we could  put on top of the truck. She was getting a bit mad
ahhh you do the right thing and you get that

During major storm operations we get that quite often. Makes you wonder if it was a cheap way to remove the tree instead of using a tree lopper or commercial gardner.

During recent floods had people calling to take the sandbags away after danger had passed.

Both job types were refused.

Worse one is when a 'tree is threatening' & it turns to be a stable tree that the owner wants removed (& maybe council have refused them issuing permit).

Hopefully, the new call-taker procedures will reduce the callouts to emergency taskings only. But not everything is perfect.....

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Country Fire Service / Re: Tree on the road.
« on: February 06, 2006, 08:33:03 AM »
New standards for SES are being trialled by volunteer ops staff before the move to MFS call-taking. Below is still being formulated so not totally accurate.

Basically if:
* tree on ground and not causing danger or risk=caller to contact commercial tree lopper.
* council tree not causing danger/risk=caller to contact council.
* tree on house=SES or CFS.
* tree on power lines=ETSA then SES or CFS

If the tree is on a road and a road accident is possible because of the tree, contact SAPOL for coverage of road then SES will page a Unit.

The 'tree branch threatening to fall on house' is the difficult one to assess. Sometimes we will request that a SES Unit recce first.

The times when the rules are sometimes bent are when a disabled/elderly person calls requesting assistance.

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Country Fire Service / Re: money to cover our costs
« on: February 03, 2006, 09:37:25 AM »
Interesting....my wife does volunteer work for Child & Youth Health by visiting mums with young kids weekly...thus saving a nurse from visiting. She is allowed to claim mileage from home to the clients house. But does not get paid per hour, thus is a volunteer.

The SASESVA website has a link to survey which was being run by volunteeringaustralia.org. The survey is now closed but requested details on if fuel costs were impacting volunteers.

Part of our Units membership requirement requests you transport yourself on callouts/training to either the city or northern suburbs shed. I know this has prevented some un-employed people from joining because they do not have a reliable car.

You can claim mileage for state-run courses (which I have not) but not for Unit training or Unit callouts.

The discount on Emergency Services Levy would work if you own property or cars. I rent a house, so the discount for the property would not reach me.

I believe we need a system that will not kill any emergency volunteer organisation in extra cost, but also enable some of the 'cash short' people to volunteer.

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Incident Operations / Fire at Range Road, Willunga
« on: February 02, 2006, 03:34:11 PM »
16:57:50 02-02-06 FYI Large grass fire burning well at Willunga - Kyeema, Mawson & Heysen Groups all involved......sounds like fire going well.

According to the pager site multiple brigades have been called out.

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SA Firefighter General / Re: Books
« on: February 02, 2006, 03:22:01 PM »
www.amazon.com has the paperback version of 'Last Man Standing: A Firefighter's Story of Survival and Escape from the World Trade Centre' for $7.95US plus freight.

Have bought some IT technical books from Amazon. They are very quick and cheap.

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SA Firefighter General / Re: SAPES Games
« on: February 02, 2006, 08:34:48 AM »
Would not like to face a SAPOL STAR squad team in the 'paint-ball competition'. But would good to watch though.

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Fire Fighter Training / Combining training
« on: February 01, 2006, 11:57:46 AM »
I could be creating a storm here, but I am curious on a volunteers opinion.

Should the training organisations of MFS, CFS & SES be combined under SAFECOM to avoid duplication in standards and delivery of courses to volunteers ? I would envisage this would include training facilities being combined.

Would you has a CFS volunteer be happy to receive training from a qualified SES or MFS trainer ?

Can we avoid the duplication by a different system ?

Can you see any advantages in a combined training system ?

Please note I do not have any problems with training individuals or training departments. The questions above are not aimed to attack or discredit anyone.

My background on the question is:

** this pager message indicates another organisation attending a SES course: “09:03:18 01-02-06 Accommodation for SES chain saw course confirmed at Hahndorf OLD MILL. Training officer From Sthn Fleurieu GCC 01/02/06 09:02:53”

** I have attended a Leadership course at CFS Brukunga which was delivered by SES & CFS trainers. It was brilliant.

** We all have some similar skills & taskings: chainsaws, first aid, RCR, GRN, Operations control, Leadership, Map & Navigation (incl GPS), etc.

** Training courses need to be delivered by qualified instructors, so I would envisage (for example) that rural fire fighting courses will always be delivered by CFS instructors.

** Other forums on this website detail courses being cancelled, re-accreditation issues in RCR, boat rescue skills, driver training skills, etc.

** SES have recently released a new Road Crash Rescue Training Resource kit. I wonder how similar this is to CFS or MFS training standards.

** The SA Road Crash Rescue Competition is an example of how the different organisations sometimes do the same tasking and receive similar training.

But my major question is: “Would you has a CFS volunteer be happy to receive training from a qualified SES or MFS trainer ?”

1663
Country Fire Service / Re: Claim to Fame!
« on: February 01, 2006, 11:46:45 AM »
From the pager website:
12:41:56 01-02-06 Lyndoch 34 leaving Station 12:45 to attend Orlando Wines to assist with Jacobs Creek brand promotion, Brent, , 1/02/2006 12:41:57 PM

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Country Fire Service / Re: Claim to Fame!
« on: February 01, 2006, 10:25:51 AM »
Many years ago when SES volunteers wore white overalls....a plane crash movie was filmed on a reserve in Panorama (southern suburb of Adelaide).

The film crew setup a fake tail section and cockpit section and emergency service vehicles drove with flahing lights on through fake smoke.

Was really a cheap way to provide more emergency vehicles and people who seemed to know what they were doing as background to the movie scene.

The Unit received free tickets and the best part of seeing the movie was trying to find the unit name in the credits....the movie was really bad. :cry:

But it was fun night as a social event.

The reserve has now been built upon by a retirement home.

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SA Firefighter General / Re: SAPES Games
« on: February 01, 2006, 09:02:54 AM »
A group of un-fit SES operations volunteers are debating entering the 'tug of war' event.
Any other event entered would see us requiring first-aid assistance to finish :lol:

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All Equipment discussion / Re: NEW 34
« on: January 31, 2006, 02:46:33 PM »
Quote from: mengcfs on January 31, 2006, 12:38:58 PM
Air con......whats that? :wink:

Four windows down at 80km/hr with your head out the window.  :-)

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SA Firefighter General / Re: Ammusing pager message.
« on: January 31, 2006, 02:36:57 PM »
Does the CFS brigade get a donation for providing fire cover for McLeod Daughters shooting ? Or is it publicity of the truck and uniforms being on the show ?

I know that McLaren Flat CFS brigade provided fire cover to Girl Guides 'Douglas Scrub' camping facility during major events. But I do not think money was exchanged, just one volunteer helping another volunteer.

But filming is an expensive business.

Just curious  :roll:

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Country Fire Service / Re: NSWFB Wallet's
« on: January 30, 2006, 12:56:59 PM »
Just checked the ebay site that was given earlier....the person is even selling the new SA SES badge which has not been officially released yet. I understand some argument exists over the use of the crown on the SA SES badge and I am waiting to see what the final badge/uniform will look like.

Looks like you can get anything if you really try hard !!

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Country Fire Service / Re: Disgusting Act
« on: January 30, 2006, 10:25:09 AM »
Quote from: medevac on January 27, 2006, 01:47:25 PM
one day i rocked up to the station ofr a call, first one there, the doors were up, and although they werent actually in the shed (they didnt look very interested in the shed) theyre were several teenage kids in the car park... now i mean honestly this was the perfect op. for them to go for a joy ride in a fire truck... (unlocked, keys in ignition...)

Just a different thought process on the teenagers standing out the front of a CFS station watching....maybe they were interested in seeing a CFS crew respond to an emergency call  :?

If I see a car in the car park and a roller door open of the local CFS station, I have parked the car on a side road for my children (and me) to watch the CFS brigade respond. I explain what is happening and hopefully my kids will learn a little bit more.

Were the teenagers approached ? Might be potential recruits  :-)

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Other Government Agencies / Re: SES Union
« on: January 30, 2006, 09:58:39 AM »
The closest we have is the SASESVA = South Australia State Emergency Service Volunteers Association.

Details can be found at:
http://www.sasesva.org.au/

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Incident Operations / Re: Bushfire at CAMBRAI
« on: January 12, 2006, 09:50:25 AM »
CAMBRAI BUSHFIRE UPDATEUpdate on the bushfire at Cambrai
10:00 AM 12 January 2006

SA Country Fire Service volunteers are still fighting a fire burning west of Cambrai and Sedan in the northeastern Mount Lofty Ranges.

Around 60 CFS volunteer firefighters spent the night fighting the blaze in difficult terrain, with additional volunteers responding to assist with firefighting operations today.

Operations today will concentrate on containing the fire, with firefighters continuing to consolidate control lines and black out the burnt area.

The difficult terrain has seen firefighting operations often undertaken on foot using knapsacks and rakehoes.

The fire has burnt just over 1 600 hectares of scrub, grass and crop since it started just after 12:30pm yesterday. Some fencing has also been destroyed.

At the peak of the blaze, around 150 firefighters and 26 appliances were on the fireground supported by a number of aerial waterbombing aircraft.

The intensity of the fire decreased overnight as a result of a drop in temperature and humidity however the fire is still active within control lines.

The control lines are currently located at the Sedan Hill Road, Three Chain Road and Pine Hut Road with a mineral earth control line having been established on the western flank of the fire. The mineral earth control line is being reinforced this morning with retardant in anticipation of a wind change this afternoon.

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Incident Operations / Re: Bushfire at CAMBRAI
« on: January 12, 2006, 09:35:28 AM »
Whoops....dont let me near a map......SORRY  :|

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Incident Operations / Re: Bushfire at CADELL
« on: January 12, 2006, 08:38:47 AM »
I have edited the pager messages below be removing personal details. casnnot guarantee I have all pager message below. Have taken one from each multiple page.

Hope this is of interest....If not, let me know & I will stop.
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17:56:20 11-01-06 ANY AVAILABLE CREW FOR POSSIBLE CHANGE OF CREW PLEASE CONTACT NURI STAION ON 

18:06:52 11-01-06 WILLIAMSTOWN 34 RETURNED TO BASE FROM STANDBY AT SPRINGTON STATION. 

18:12:31 11-01-06 ATHEL:  CONTACT  ON GRN 126 RE LOCATION OF AIRSTRIP EERO - ATHL STN

18:11:26 11-01-06 COULD ALL AVAILABLE CREW CONTACT ANGASTON STATION

18:31:02 11-01-06 JERVOIS 24 RETURNED TO STATION

18:28:09 11-01-06 CREW IF REQUIRED FOR CHANGE OVER ARE . ALL OTHERS RESPOND TO PAGERS AS NORMAL. NURI

18:32:47 11-01-06 MTOR: MOUNT_TORRENS 24 RETURNED TO STATION

18:33:39 11-01-06 ALL AVAIL RELIEF CREW FOR SEDAN FIRE PLS ATTEND STATION IMMEDIATELY FOR 1900 HOUR DEPARTURE FROM

18:35:24 11-01-06 CHANGE OF SHIFT CONFIRMED , ALL MEMBERS REQUIRED AT STATION BY 1850HRS NURI

18:58:15 11-01-06 APOLOGIES MEETING FOR TONIGHT CANCELLED - NOT ON TRUCK AT FIRE - RESCHEDULDING MEETING HOPEFULLY TOMORROW NIGHT REGARDS FROM MONARTO  - WILL ADVISE IF DIFFERENT

18:57:30 11-01-06 KERS: KERSBROOK 24 RETURNED TO STATION 

19:07:11 11-01-06 RELIEF CREW HAS LEFT TANUNDA STATION ALL REMAINING CREW RESPOND IF PAGED

19:18:19 11-01-06 SHQ:  R53 HAS BEEN BOOKED FOR 0745 TOMORROW.  AND  PICK UP AT AIRPORT 0745,  AT CAMBRAI OVAL, PLEASE NOTIFY ALL CONCERNED.

19:23:37 11-01-06 RELIEF CREW PLS RESPOND TO THE BOTTOM OF SEDAN HILL FOR EXCHANGE WITH CREWS - FOR SPINGTON AND MT PLEASANT AND EDEN VALLEY

19:25:37 11-01-06 SHQ: SIG INC: FYI: SCC CLOSING DOWN 1930 HRS

20:38:34 11-01-06 ROSE: APPLIANCE AND CREW BACK IN STATION

21:05:26 11-01-06 FOR INFO SOME ROADS IN OUR AREA WILL HAVE ROLLING CLOSURES ON THEM FOR FRI 13/1 AND SAT 14/1 BY POLICE FOR BIKE RACES FROM MT TORRENS MAPS IN TRUCKS 

23:28:11 11-01-06 2 CREWS REQUIRED FOR QA TO BE IN CAMBRAI 08:00 HRS LEAVE MORGANS BY 6.30AM - IMMEDIATE CONTACT TO CAPTAIN IF AVAILABLE 

23:53:45 11-01-06 MT PLEASANT24 RETURNED TO STATION INCIDENT COMPLETE.

23:54:18 11-01-06 EDEN VALLEY 24 HAS RETURNED TO STATION FROM CAMBRAI FIRE.

23:54:19 11-01-06 EDEN VALLEY 24 HAS RETURNED TO STATION FROM CAMBRAI FIRE.

00:06:15 12-01-06 SHQ: MEDIA INFO: WEBSITE AND HOTLINE HAVE BEEN UPDATED ;-) 

07:00:33 12-01-06 SHQ: AMR, HELIAIR & AIR CREW INFO: FDI'S FOR 12/01/06. MT CRAW: 20 & 19, KUITPO: 16 & 13, STRATH: 1, 2ND VALLEY: 17 & 9, MT GAMBIER: 16 & 13, CNAWRA: 19 & 18, COLES PT: 26, LINCOLN 16 & 14, WUDINNA 37 & 35. 

07:18:48 12-01-06 RIDLEY GROUP REQUESTING STRIKE TEAM FOR FIRE SEDAN HILL RD CAN CAPTAINS RING COORONG GROUP OFFICER  BEFORE 0900HRS IF THEIR APPLIANCE IS AVAIL - APOLOGIES FOR SHORT NOTICE

07:18:50 12-01-06 CAPTAINS RING COORONG GROUP OFFICER  BEFORE 0900HRS IF THEIR APPLIANCE IS AVAIL - APOLOGIES FOR SHORT NOTICE

07:22:18 12-01-06 MENINGIE CREW PLS ADVISE CAPTAIN 0408087695 FOR AVAILABILITY FOR STRIKE TEAM TO SEDAN ASAP

07:33:05 12-01-06 SHQ: MALLEE GROUP FOR INFO: CREWS REQUIRED TO BE ON STANDBY UNTIL 1000 HRS FOR POSSIBLE STRIKE TEAM TO CAMBRAI. APPLIANCES FROM PINNAROO, LAMEROO, KAROONDA & BOWHILL

07:50:16 12-01-06 ANGASTON STIKE TEAM WILL BEE BACK IN AREA AND AT STATIONS APPROX 8.30 TO 9.00HRS AVAILABLE CREWS ATTEND STATION FOR RECOMMISIONING

08:02:31 12-01-06 STRIKE TEAM REQUEST BY RIDLEY GROUP PLS PH PEAKE CAPTAIN BY 08.30 IF YOU ARE AVAIL TO CREW OUR UNIT

08:13:16 12-01-06 MTC 120106 250732 S30 H19 RL2 NTH 310824 VH31 FO FINE MOST SUNNY

08:22:59 12-01-06 TAILEM BEND AT A24 AT MOORES FOR REPAIRS ALL OTHER APPLIANCES BACK AT STATION AND BASICALLY OPERATIONAL

09:15:16 12-01-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: PINNAROO, KAROONDA, LAMEROO & BOWHILL RESPOND STIKE TEAM AS REQUESTED EARLIER TO CAMBRAI STATION ASAP 

09:26:03 12-01-06 JERVOIS 24 IN STATION

09:29:37 12-01-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: RESPOND REGION 3 HQ AS AOM ASAP FROM SARC

09:39:29 12-01-06 COORONG GROUP CONTACT  DEP 1 IF REQUIRED THE FOLLOWING APPLICANCE WILL BE ABSENT TODAY COORONG CAR 2 COONALPYN 34 KOOMANDOOK 34 COOK PLAINS 34 NETHERTON 24 CAPTAINS THANKS FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE COORONG GROUP OFFICER

09:40:20 12-01-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: KERSBROOK & ATHELSTONE AIR SUPPORT RESPOND MT CRAWFORD AIR STRIP FOR AIR OPERATIONS FOR CAMBRAI FIRE 

09:42:48 12-01-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: BOMBER 581 & 582 RESPOND MT CRAWFORD AIR STRIP FOR CAMBRAI CONTACT RESCUE 52 FOR FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS

09:46:39 12-01-06 ATHL: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND ATHELSTONE STATION 

09:49:39 12-01-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: BOMBER 563 RESPOND WOODSIDE AIRBASE FOR STANDBY OPERATIONS FOR MOUNT LOFTY RANGES PRZ

09:44:14 12-01-06 Balaklava now full crew - emerg only

09:43:22 12-01-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: BOMBER 581 & 582 RESPOND MT CRAWFORD AIR STRIP FOR CAMBRAI CONTACT RESCUE 52 FOR FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS 

09:51:05 12-01-06 Due to the length of shift at Cambrai Fire last crew is unavailable for calls today, Please respond to station if there is an incident as crew numbers are down. Thanks Nuri

09:54:13 12-01-06 SHQ: FYI - BOMBER 563 RESPONDED TO WOODSIDE AIRBASE FOR STANDBY FOR OPERATIONS IN THE MLR PRZ

10:02:00 12-01-06 ATHELSTONE TANKER AND QAV MOBILE TO MT CRAWFORD AIRSTRIP FOR CAMBRAI FIRE...

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SA Firefighter General / Entry and backup systems for stations
« on: January 12, 2006, 07:52:58 AM »
CFS_firey, totally agree that auto-opening doors and lighting switched on is very necessary.

My question was regards if the battery backup system is necessary so that everything works (esp lighting in the shed) during apower outage.

Sorry for the confusion....my wording was bad. :-)

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SA Firefighter General / Entry and backup systems for stations
« on: January 11, 2006, 03:57:59 PM »
I was speaking to a CFS person at a Brukunga Leadership course a few years ago.

He stated that the CFS brigade he was with changed the roller doors to 12volt battery backup so to avoid power outages to station. They had also run 12 volt lighting to avoid tripping in the dark.

The system was designed to activate when one button was pressed.

This sounded a great idea....is it necessary ?

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