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SAAS / Re: Clinical?
« on: February 19, 2008, 09:34:07 PM »
Sorry Rescue5271, reading it again, it does look like my post was directly referenced to yours (which i suppose it is in part), was more interested in peoples thoughts on use of ICP's V Doctors in the pre-hospital environment.

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SAAS / Re: Clinical?
« on: February 19, 2008, 08:43:25 PM »
Time they looked at having a chopper based here in the SE for all medical emergency's and that it is staffed by a DOC and a SAAS paramedic would work well

Not wanting to cause any issues, but why do we need a Doctor on primary trauma retreval??

This may be a loaded question, and very open to interpretation and personal view, but what can a Doctor add that a ICP cant.

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SAMFS / Re: MFS pre-election leaflet distribution
« on: February 19, 2008, 08:31:37 PM »
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CFS has Hazmat Officers on duty don't they?

They used too  :cry:, even Fire Cause is done by MFS for CFS area.

Now its mostly just a TAC (Technical Advice Co-ord) you have to ring up.

Zippy, as far as im aware CFS still has on call HazMat/CBR officers, made up of regional officers/ commanders with a knowledge of hazmat. The TAC is higher level advice from people qualified as industrial chemists, who offer advice specific to the myriad of chemicals (who also advise the MFS when required, as per the 'blue book'). Im not sure what path you are trying to lead people on with your negative ill informed comments. Being from a hazmat brigade i would think you would know more about the structure of mow HazMat incidents are managed. I also cant recall a time when CFS have done structure fire cause in CFS area. 

must say, i am surprised that there are signs out the front.

who is paying for the signs? the union or the firies them selves?

I would think that the union is the firefighters.. eg the union pay for the signs with money that the firies pay from their wages, just like any other union would, eg CFMEU, TWU, AEU, PSA etc..

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SA Firefighter General / Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« on: February 03, 2008, 12:02:03 PM »
I'm not sure why non rescue teams are sent to these jobs, if was a simple pickup and carry  SAAS wouldn't ask for help would they?

The majority of Assist SAAS jobs i have been called to are just that, "a simple pick-up and carry" usually as the SAAS crew of 2 required another set of hands or 2. Having spoken to a few ambo's about it they generally say they ask for "firies" if they need a help with a lift. Which poses an interesting question, if a service requests a specific resource, eg. Firies, should the Comms guys be second guessing that??

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SASES / Re: from a victorian
« on: February 02, 2008, 01:48:38 PM »
vr_driver,

While you are from the SES over East dont discount joining a CFS brigade if it suits you, depending on where you end up living. Are you living in Kapunda or commuting from the barossa or adelaide? As there are some busy CFS rescue stations up that way, like Nuri, Dalkieth, Virginia etc. Good luck with your move to SA.
24P

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Other Government Agencies / Re: SES Station Numbers...
« on: January 20, 2008, 08:49:49 AM »
RCR is not primary but they have the tools as does Sturt


as USAR equipment

Thats nice, but back to the original comment. It was my understanding that callsigns ending in 9, 19 and 029 were to designate RCR resources as listed in the RCR directory not USAR, Vertical, and other types of rescue???
24P

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just a few mistakes in the paging but oh well
my question is what was riverton doing responding to a VA on our area the job was a motorbike v truck

The RCR resource directory lists for Tarlee
1st rescue- Rivereton CFS
2nd rescue- Hamley Bridge CFS

No mention of SES

So it doesnt look like as many mistakes in the paging as you think

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SA Firefighter General / Re: Volunteer Retention
« on: January 07, 2008, 01:10:27 PM »
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And why people insist on paging for more crew? You have got what you are gonna get instead call for another brigade.

Chook



My question regarding this incident is should an appliance really be responding with only two crew to an alarm / going job.  We would get absolutely spanked silly by Region and Group if we responded with only two on a primary responding truck, not to mention MFS would go ballistic if they saw us at a job with only two on board.

Almost as bad as a brigade who recently went to a brush fence fire and almost impacting a residence and 1 person and appliance responds :-o

I think people have to get out of their own backyards and consider the wider state here. While in the near Adelaide areas with an higher member numbers, other brigades and MFS around as well as gazing public and media eye's its fine to set in concrete that you must follow SOP's and have 4 on the truck (prefereably adequatly trained). I would be very reluctant to respond with-out 4 ppl on my truck!! However when your back up isnt around the corner, turning your truck (or even 14) out with 2 or 3 crew might be the differnece between that fence fire getting into the house, or a small grassfire increasing to something greater. I know there are OHSW issues around it, but even at a structure fire, 2 crew could conduct exposure protection prior to neighbouring brigades arriving, so long as they also call other brigades, What gets me more than anything is brigades who respond appliances short on crew and refuse to ask for assistnace from neighbouring brigades/ services.

Again, i would really try to avoid doing it, or going against the SOP's, but in some areas of the state something is certainly better then nothing.

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SASES / Re: SES familiarisation thread
« on: January 01, 2008, 05:03:57 PM »
Cheers,
For example in CFS if you have 4 CABA sets, then generally mangement determine that 2x (eg 8) is enough CABA trained for a brigade, this is the minimum number however once you have 8 trained it is very difficult to train any more. I have also heard that RCR training is similar.. Not sure if MFS retained have similar restirctions on doing training courses??Can make things difficult as in a volunteer environment oyu never know who will turn up for a job, even if you train a member with great availabilty it doesnt mean they will always have good availability.. I gues it comes down to money in the end.. only a certain ammount of cash for training to go around.

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SASES / Re: SES familiarisation thread
« on: January 01, 2008, 03:38:08 PM »
Chook,
CFS have a system where training numbers are limited to what management believe is necessary to achieve the job (Standards of Fire & Emergency Cover). So set a minimun and maximum number of people to be trained in things like CABA. Just wondering if SES also have a limit on numbers of people for training and if so does it impact on the ability to perform emergency responces??

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SA Firefighter General / Re: SAAS Responding Other Services..
« on: November 22, 2007, 02:54:45 PM »
aaah but surely 'civvys' as you call them... are the way to go.

that way they dont let personal experience or knowledge get in the way of enforcing procedures...


Does that mean that if CRD were privatised you dont think CFS and SES VOls should be allowed to work there???

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Country Fire Service / Re: Washup from statewide talkgroup plan
« on: November 10, 2007, 06:17:16 AM »
This system works well here in the southeast where the group base will open for all call outs no matter how small or big it is,

Perhaps would you like to man our group base the 900+ times a year that our group has calls? And there are other groups in similar boat. In times of declining volunteer numbers and increased things to pack into our days is this a big ask of group base operators/ members of brigade that house the local base?? I agree it may work in your and other groups situations who are a bit more quiet callwise but not everywhere.

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SA Firefighter General / Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« on: November 03, 2007, 07:23:14 PM »

MFS: INC # 69 - 03/11/07 12:46,RESPOND Tree Down,LOT7 COXS HILL RD,ONKAPARINGA HILLS, MAP 187 F 7 ,,50 CM TREE OVER BUILDING P3 THWE NAME DELAMERE ON THE GATE CHRISTINE 83251176,NOA029*CFSRES: SES Central Region

NOA029

Noarlunga i presume?? Does this make them a primary RCR response unit now??

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SA Firefighter General / Re: new fittings
« on: September 29, 2007, 10:55:17 PM »

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I love those people... Nothing like an expert mate..! Have never seen it, have no idea what your talking bout, not even listening, yet still have an opinion which is apparently right.. ??!!..
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Yea tell me about it!

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Country Fire Service / Re: cfs volunteers
« on: September 15, 2007, 05:20:27 PM »
May be its time that CFS was allowed to have paid staff aswell as  volunteers in the one station both doing the same job in some of the city urban area's.

Thats a good idea Blinkey, How would it work? Would it work out to be more effective and efficient that having an MFS station there or cost more?

24P

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Country Fire Service / Re: cfs volunteers
« on: September 14, 2007, 11:48:33 AM »


i think you will find that 95% of CFS volunteers are happy doing it that way.

Yet the other 5% of vols arew the ones doing 90% of the calls and work!

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OFF Topic / Re: Who are "firies?"
« on: August 16, 2007, 06:05:16 PM »
I think it depends on the situation where its being used.
If you are using it amongst other CFS vols, i think its fine. But if you are using it in a social or work situation out side of CFS as an introduction i would think its a bit out of place for people to be going "Hi im Bill im a firie", probably more appropriate to say "Hi im Bill, im a School teacher, and a member of my local CFS brigade"
I have been out before and met people who have introduced them selves as "firies" when questioned where at they say "(insert some CFS brigade here)". They sounnd like a bit of a Ming

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Country Fire Service / Re: Captains
« on: August 07, 2007, 04:20:45 PM »
Hi Crank,
Interesting.. Cant say i envy you with such an issue in your brigade. I cant really shed any light on what to do, Although the other people on here have probably covered the correct way to go about stoof, i just wonder if getting the region and people outside the brigade in is going to have longer term repercussions, possibly towards your self.. While i dont think going against SOP's etc should be condoned, experience which im sure your captain has a bit of, can sometimes give a view as to the faults in SOP's. before you all get on your high horse about it, have a look at the 'wearing of helmets' thread where many of you state that you wear structural helmets all the time for the added protection (so do i infact), remember back to when that was a BIG no no, and would leand to you being thrown off the fire ground supposedly! I suppose what im getting at is that if you look at everyhting with your BFF1 glasses on, having done BFF1 by the 'book' then you may perhaps shake your head at how things are done in real life, but with a bit of experience you realise that the 'book' doesnt put fires out, although be it on your (or in this case your captains head) if something goes wrong...

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If your in the CFS your in a better situation than you think. SAMFS on the other hand are behind both NSW QLD and Vic, although things are changing on that front esp if you look at the USAR equipment and new CABA stuff. It's just a pitty they still need to use Oten for a lot of the Qualifications......

RTW

Red,
Interesting, Could you explain this further please

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Negative not based at Elizabeth but the new station does not receive the MDT signals inside which is why Elizabeth crews are sent GRN pager messages for details of the call.

Thanks SAFirey,
That clears it up a bit, Good to hear from someone in the know

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Did anyone notice on the page MFS: INC # 32? Looks like they are doing a bit of changing around.
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Got changed at midday :wink:

Maybe they are starting to wise up for the better
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SAfirey,
Has this change also happend to the messages you get for calls at work?? as i saw this pager msg and it appears you guys at MFS still have the long line of Daily incidint number at the begining

MFS: DAILY INC. NO. 23 - 01/08/07 08:58,RESPOND ALARM 36/081,SUGAR AUSTRALIA PTY LTD (CSR),260 REGENCY RD ,REGENCY PARK, MAP 105 J 5 ,,FIP MAIN ENTRY OFFICE AREA,,361 371*CFSRES:




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Perhaps to put things into perspective, the population of New York in 2006 was estimated to be 19,306,183.

I think that is the population of New York State. The population of New York City (which FDNY cover) is around 8 million. Still a few calls though.


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