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Hi All,
Camo. I fully agree that there isnt many brigades in the state that can guarente a minimum turn-out in line with SOP's (re- training levels and response times). However if i can remeber correctly you're with Compton brigade, and isnt that relativly close to a SAMFS regional command retained station with 4 vehicles (capable of turning out a crew of 4 Ba operators, am unsure as i'm not from that neck of the woods) is this not clser than 30 minutes away? Sorry my thoughts only, again am not familisr with that area.
SK

Is it really such overkill? Maybe it's overkill that SES drove past the CFS responding to the call as there was no traffic hazard CFS were responding P2 sitting at a red light intersection (pump/rescue with crew of 4) when they drove priority 1 through the intersection with a crew of 2. Maybe it's not on overkill that CFS / SES went although Burnside were back in station as the tree (or more like twig) had been cleared from the road when a second SES unit continued to respond priority 1... at this stage CFS were back in station and on the way home from there! I'm starting to think that's a bit of overkill... Overkill it might be but atleast at the end of the day the public got a service and the job done. Interesting the Lewiston job seemed to be underkill as SES were called from Kapunda I believe with 5 other rescue resources closer with no CFS or MFS also responded.... I believe this "ownership" of calls you continue to talk about is childish and public safety should be the foremost consideration.

can't remember first fire, first job was an mva though. Been in the job only a couple of weeks at the time though. A guy was working on his car when the jack had given way and his wife found him a few hours later when she went to tell him dinner was ready, he was under the car and not going anywhere.. interesting first up job!
RCR's - Had a bunch of doozies, many of semi prangs on the freeway especially rollovers....
HAZMAT's - most memorable was probably going by Rescue 51 to KI last year.
Structure Fire - Mitcham shopping centre (4th Alarm), Stonyfell Shopping Centre (2nd alarm)
Scrub - Jan 11, various other strike teams.

that would be kirkmoe senior.... the salisbury team actually has KIRKMOE, KIESSLING and DOUGLAS.... all burnside members....

At the end of the day we should look at public safety! This means the closest, most appropriate, resource.... If SAMFS respond with an SES unit and continually stop call them because they can get there, remove the risk / deal with the incident before SES get there then so be it. I do not see why Metro SES units will take all "storm incidents, trees down, animal rescue's and patient lifts" in metro area. At the end of the day SAMFS are likely to arrive before SES anyway, back when I was in SOC, SAMFS and SES were responded at the same time to an incident with "life risk", MFS had dealt with the incident and put a stop back before SES had acknowledged the page.

Hey All,
I'm just curious how long u have had to be 18 for to do RCR? I did it when I was 16, I've been in the organisation for about 6 years now. First job i ever attended was a fatal. Didn't do much at it as he was DOA. Had a few "big" jobs involving semi's rollingover etc with the drivers ending up all over the place and this was all at a young age. As someone else had already said I think it comes down to the individual. The only thing I hate is when they stink after a few days in the heat....

I don't even think the attitude is just a brigade thing, comes down more to personal preference. Some members i know wouldn't wear a seat belt even if we wern't excempt others won't have the truck move without the crew being belted up and wear their helmet from the moment they leave station. Considering the brigade has lost a member as the result of an appliance rollover in '90 I find peoples attitudes strange about when they should and shouldnt. At the end of the day most CFS personal are NOT regular or professional drivers of 10-15t trucks at high speed under UDD conditions or even get any comprehensive training. Considering CFS provides training in almost everything I find it strange that the area of most risk receives only minimal training. If you F*%K up at a job with your BA, you may kill or seriously injure yourself or your partner, same with compartment, RCR well ya might cut something off you shouldn't.... But if you are the driver on the way to a job and make a mistake you could potentially kill the seven people on the appliance and any number members of the public!

Pumpers are no good for grass fires??? WTF.... Have you ever operated on a pumper appliance? I'm from Burnside where our Volvo pumper is now 24 years old, and probably better than most around the place, especially when fighting rural fires in the hills areas like Mt Osmond, if you think it's just because they have 2 x 25mm lines.... consider the fact they are 90m long are can actually get to fires..... in the areas where pumpers operate such as burnside rural appliances are almost useless because you can't get off road in a lot of places and those you can, if it was burning I wouldn't want to take an appliance anyway! A pumper is more of a multi-use appliance than a rural type plastic fantastic will ever be.....

It comes down to whatever sounds professional i think.... If you don't know then don't use them but when you know K codes it sounds professional and makes the job a lot easier..... ( i think)

"MFS comms this if nuff nuff 24 Pumper we are mobile to job in MFS area"
"Adelaide Fire Burnside 2919 K1 over"

As for following SOP's considerng a lot of CFS don't follow basic ones like levels of response and appropriate resources anyway what does a simple K mean....

No brigade members in this age range but our front running appliance is 24 years old =) I think this must be running as one of the older appliances in the fleet.... Anyone know older appliances?

haha pumpers.... i love this topic.
By the defination of volume in a pump (not talking pressure here for a moment. but the simple thing is....
1000-2000 lts/min = light pumper
2000-3000 lts/min = medium pumper
3000+ lts/min = pumper

these volumes are usually operated at about 1000kpa or there about  150psi. If you start to talk about high pressure then it's usually 3,500 - 4,000 kpa... so about 3 times what a standard appliance usually runs at. A standard CFS 24 appliance runs usually a 300GPM, so about 1140 lts/min. a 24p or 34P runs a 500GPM pump.... so 1900 lts/min... so in reality if we call a 24P and 34P a pumper, why can't a standard 24 or 34 also be called a pumper, after all it fits in the same bracket of pumper!
The HE-500 pump that runs on 24P and 34P appliances is only a volume pump, not a pressure as it's only designed to be used around 1000 kpa... (so when people just keep winding them up to get more pressure it usually does pump damage) that's why some of the older type pumpers and new ones have a seperate high pressure stage. Some people may remember the old SAMFS isuzu pumpers that were in adelaide, glen osmond and prospect (now based in country stations) but they only had a 500GPM pump also so they were not usually used to boost...
The new Type 2 appliances run a Rosenbaur NH30 I think it's called, it's a multistage 3000lts/min pump.... so on the boarder of medium and pumper status. As also has been stated they have a number of inlets and outlets to be able to boost more effectivly....
Anyway I have probably rambled enough for the minute and hope i haven't caused too much confusion.

P.S. - if an appliance is a 'pumper' the stowage is different as has been suggested.... 4xCABA, different hose, PPV etc. I'll try and dig out a stowage list from somewhere....