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Offline Mike

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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #100 on: February 03, 2006, 12:15:34 PM »
you havent sold me on a reason not to respond other brigades. any help is better than none.

besides you contradict yourself.

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Barker had to respond the pumpers to a grass fire on Tuesday, no rural truck, asked for back up from Littlehampton only got 4 ppl to run two trucks

first you tell me you couldnt get a crew for the 2 pumpers

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this is what happens when region and group take truck away from big stations that can crew....

and then you tell me you can always get a crew so you dont need to worry??????
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #101 on: February 03, 2006, 12:22:41 PM »
Quote from: jason on February 03, 2006, 08:22:07 AM
Barker had to respond the pumpers to a grass fire on Tuesday, no rural truck, asked for back up from Littlehampton only got 4 ppl to run two trucks........

Um am I missing something or is minimum crewing on appliances of 22 size and larger four people??

If this is still the rule and a brigade has four people turnout, then only one appliance should have been sent and request another brigade?
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #102 on: February 03, 2006, 12:25:04 PM »
MIKE - Littlehampton ONLY had 4 CREW, to run LH24, Heysen tanker.(two trucks)
« Last Edit: February 03, 2006, 12:38:26 PM by jason »
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #103 on: February 03, 2006, 12:28:13 PM »
I'm confused.

How many trucks from each station and how many crew on each truck?
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #104 on: February 03, 2006, 12:43:13 PM »
Quote from: jason on February 03, 2006, 12:25:04 PM
MIKE - Littlehampton ONLY had 4 CREW, to run LH24, Heysen tanker.(two trucks)
If they only had 4 they should have crewed the truck that was going to be of most use and tried to source crew for the other.
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #105 on: February 03, 2006, 01:25:21 PM »
Whats wrong with keep responding crews/appliances/stations until you get what you want - thats the idea of upgrading an alarm - has worked world wide for years.

As for pumpers not being able to fight grass fires - what the - they have water, hoses, crews - maybe they can't drive along the fire edge but what about pulling out a hose line, adding lay flat - there are many solutions that a lot of brigades with pumpers have instigated.

Lets not get tunnel vision or limit pumpers response capabilities - maybe adapt an MFS stance - issue knap sacks and or rake hoes - it has worked for MFS for years where vehicle access isn't possible.

Lets stop bashing the pumpers and use common sense and logical solutions (and supplying a 24 isn't obviously one of them!!!)
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #106 on: February 03, 2006, 02:00:52 PM »
Most of the grass fires I have been to we have been on the side of the road or a track that a pumper could go to, yes I have been to a lot that you would need a 24
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #107 on: February 03, 2006, 06:58:58 PM »
some groups have a history of keeping callouts to themselves, some brigades are worse.... even traveling well into other groups areas and not notifying them.

It may not be the case here, but im getting that impression...... each to their own i guess.

IMO only...... I know this post could be taken either way... There is a long history behind my opening statement, which im not going to get into.
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #108 on: February 03, 2006, 07:19:42 PM »
how many crew were running the two mt barker pumps?
and why wasnt barker 24 sent?

surely your brigade will be looking at auto dual response for grassfires now that you only have one rural.?
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #109 on: February 03, 2006, 07:31:58 PM »
maybe it is just a Barossa Group thing but everytime there is a fire at least 2 appliances must go.
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #110 on: February 03, 2006, 10:21:05 PM »
Quote from: medevac on February 03, 2006, 07:19:42 PM
and why wasn't barker 24 sent?
I believe Barker 24 is offline for repairs atm.

and while we are on the Pumper at grassfires debate, I think Mount Barker definitely needs a rural Vehicle. Think of the area Mt Barker covers, Wistow, Mount Barker Springs, the massive area between Barker and Macclesfield... Mount barker covers a huge area of rural bush / grass land... They need a rural vehicle...
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #111 on: February 04, 2006, 06:04:49 AM »
HMMM... theyve got a rural vehicle, i think they need a dual response to all grassfires.
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #112 on: February 04, 2006, 02:00:42 PM »
I called in to Barker station on thursday to have a look at the dennis and type 2 and Barker 24 was in the station and running i believe??

 On the topic of Barker Pumper And Barker Rescue all i can say is NIIICCE i want one (either will do)  :-o:-D
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #113 on: February 04, 2006, 07:47:43 PM »
Jason, I read it like many others obviously had, in the first couple posts, it seems the way you said it was Barker sent 2 (two) trucks, with a TOTAL of 4 (four) people.  Thus, 2 on Dennis, 2 on Izuzu...


I believe you may have meant L/H only had 4 across the 2 trucks.

In that case, they should get a bollocking.

And dual response / multi response should DEFINATELY be looked at for Rural related jobs while you are operating 1 rural truck.  The area is too large to expect a single station to cover it.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2006, 07:56:32 PM by strikeathird »
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #114 on: February 04, 2006, 08:31:17 PM »
Quote from: mundcfs on February 04, 2006, 02:00:42 PM


 On the topic of Barker Pumper And Barker Rescue all i can say is NIIICCE i want one (either will do)  :-o:-D
Would'nt we all :-)!
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #115 on: February 06, 2006, 11:51:26 AM »
Quote from: Mike on February 03, 2006, 06:58:58 PM
some groups have a history of keeping callouts to themselves, some brigades are worse.... even traveling well into other groups areas and not notifying them.

There is a long history behind my opening statement, which im not going to get into.

Yes We Have Had That Problem As Well, It Happens.  Best To Let The GO Know & He/She Can Sort It Out.
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #116 on: February 06, 2006, 01:54:37 PM »
I would make the suggestion that it should be MFS / SOC who respond 2 brigades in the initial page, rather than leaving it to the brigades... All grassfires we get are automatic dual responses, we rarely get responded on our own..
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #117 on: February 09, 2006, 09:49:45 AM »
dual response is the way to go..
the only jobs we  go to by ourselves are no carrier alarms, tree down/storm damage and smoke sightings (out of TFB)...
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #118 on: February 09, 2006, 03:44:59 PM »
*shows ignorance* whats a no carrier alarm?
We also go to car fires and rubbish bin fires on our own ;)
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #119 on: February 09, 2006, 03:52:13 PM »
A Fire Indicator Panel (FIP) has either an ATU, PPU or Deltec device attached which sends a Poll to the Concentrator or to a Brigade Romteck unit.
If there is a line fault a no carrier condition is reported to the brigade.
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #120 on: February 09, 2006, 03:58:25 PM »
^^CHEERS
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #121 on: February 09, 2006, 04:00:05 PM »
ahhh, thanks for that Firefrog... My brigade's FIP isn't quite that advanced.. it just says alarm or clear...
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #122 on: February 09, 2006, 05:32:04 PM »
Ours beeps and has a red or green light and the red one flashes too> :wink: :-P :-D
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #123 on: February 10, 2006, 07:40:42 AM »
There were a few articles in the Courier this week. its interesting....

There was an article and a letter to the editor about barker loosing a rural truck, and how they desperately needed another 24P. as well as retaining the type 2 and the dennis.....
A letter to the editor about the same issue.
both articles acknowledged the fact that Barker was very much becoming an urban brigade, but were worried about all the houses on all the new small properties. Whilst not recognising that it was possible to respond multiple brigades at the same time. (It was mentioned that these brigades existed, and could be responded, but it was sensationalised.

At the same time there was a little article about strath. They have no station to work out of at the moment (tempory housing at the SES unit). a bus as a gruop base... and thier comments were basically: weve made contingency plans for the interim, its not ideal but well make the most of it.....

just find it interesting how people effect their own fate..... complete opposite ways of dealing with things!
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Re: Mount Barker Pumper
« Reply #124 on: February 10, 2006, 11:56:20 AM »
Mike,
Maybe a good idea to post the articles from the Courier, not just your views
Jason
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