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Equipment => All Equipment discussion => Topic started by: Alan (Big Al) on February 13, 2007, 02:53:43 PM
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Our group (Mundoo) is getting a Logistics vehicle from CFS, it is based on a Nissan Navara twin cab, and will be based at Goolwa.
Apparantly CFS is building a few of these for groups, it will be available for courses, fire ground logistics and general brigade calls ( this will help our brigade with response on to the beach etc). This is designed to free up Command vehicles from being taken out of area for things and leaving them free to be utilised on the ifre ground.
Is anyone else aware of these????
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Yes Mate I was made aware of this sometime ago it would mean that groups that have two command car's can replace one with a logistics vehicle sounds good to mean...
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We still keep our 2 command cars and gain the Logistics out of it, i call that a fair trade 8-).
Just looking forward for when we get jobs on the beach we don't have to take the truck down there or wait for a command car to come.
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That's interesting, if you get to keep both current command cars, and then get a logistics vehicle on top of that.
Last year, my Group officer informed the Group of the plan that had come from above, and at that time, it was each group to have one command vehicle, and one logistics vehicle - being a twin cab Nissan Navara.....so those Groups lucky enough to have two command vehicles, would loose one.
I know there were several people opposed to this at the time......(and I can't see them changing there mind).
But, if you are getting it as an additional vehicle to the current one(s) that concept would be far better received...
Pip
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I think having more cars around would come in handy as I have been at fire where a Qav ended up being a command car as there wasn't enough group and logistics cars for reasons that are unacceptable which i won't divulge.
Other than the car that is used what would the main differences be between a command car and logistics car?
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Why dont we use SES command cars that sit around the fireground that have 4wd and have CFS radios in them??? There were heaps sitting around at mount bold and people wanted command cars to do stuff........ :roll:
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We still keep our 2 command cars and gain the Logistics out of it, i call that a fair trade .
Us too :-D :-D :-D
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:-D :-D snap yep us to
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That's interesting, if you get to keep both current command cars, and then get a logistics vehicle on top of that.
Last year, my Group officer informed the Group of the plan that had come from above, and at that time, it was each group to have one command vehicle, and one logistics vehicle - being a twin cab Nissan Navara.....so those Groups lucky enough to have two command vehicles, would loose one.
I know there were several people opposed to this at the time......(and I can't see them changing there mind).
But, if you are getting it as an additional vehicle to the current one(s) that concept would be far better received...
Pip
It's either 2 command cars or 1 command car and 1 logistics vehicle. I believe the R1 management committee agreed that groups need to have the flexibility to choose what suits them best. Groups can have more than that but the cost comes out of the group's budget. Lofty group is also getting one of these new navaras as a logistics vehicle, this will be additional to our current 2 command cars.
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From what's going around the traps in our group we are keeping our 2 command cars but will look into it more :|
The idea in our group is that the car can be used for general brigade incidents but it's frst use is, for people going to courses, running food out to fireground (to stop people using private vehicles) doing shift changeover, running BA cylinders etc etc, if they want these vehicles to do that to take pressure off command cars what's the point if you lose a command car you end up back at square one :?
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When your Group covers over 10,000 sqr kilomiters you need 2 command cars and 1 Logistic car
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Why dont we use SES command cars that sit around the fireground that have 4wd and have CFS radios in them??? There were heaps sitting around at mount bold and people wanted command cars to do stuff........ :roll:
As stated in a different thread, I think it would be a great idea for SES 4wd vehicles to be used for 'command & control' functions by CFS. A driver and navigator/radio ops/scribe can be supplied at the same time.
A multi-agency GRN talkgroup can used or the CFS person could use CFS handhelds.
Just up to the incident manager or AIIMS staff to make the request.
The second course on 'Bushfire Awareness & CFS Appliance Familiarization' will be held for SES people at Meadows CFS brigade on 18th March. So progress is being made for SES to be safe & gain some understanding.
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Andrew, does that mean the GRN radios in the SES cars aren't CFS ones?
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I would say that SES radios have all of the SES channels on them as well as multi agency and state ones thats it. They wouldnt have other CFS radio channels just as CFS radios dont have SES channels on them.
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We still keep our 2 command cars and gain the Logistics out of it, i call that a fair trade 8-).
Just looking forward for when we get jobs on the beach we don't have to take the truck down there or wait for a command car to come.
I would'nt be promoting the Beach Towing Service Al :evil:
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Why not you could charge $100 per tow as the tide comes in :lol:
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Why not you could charge $100 per tow as the tide comes in :lol:
Any accounts for services rendered by a brigade will be done by SAFECOM in future and goes in the coffers :-(
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what about cash in the hand jobs????
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A multi-agency GRN talkgroup can used or the CFS person could use CFS handhelds.
GRN portables are intended for monitoring only, someone running an incident or operations should be using a mobile radio. Of course many people disregard that but there you go. But if an incident is big enough to request an SES vehicle as a command car then it should be being run on a MA talkgroup anyway.
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We still keep our 2 command cars and gain the Logistics out of it, i call that a fair trade 8-).
Just looking forward for when we get jobs on the beach we don't have to take the truck down there or wait for a command car to come.
I would'nt be promoting the Beach Towing Service Al :evil:
We don't do tows :lol: if they get stuck and lose their car to the surf then thats their own fault, we do however help SAAS a bit down there and do the odd MVA on the beach (when SAAS call us :wink:)
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logistic cars are great... we have a twin cab ford courier.
it is great for if you need to do chages of crews at big jobs or replace BA cylinders. its also got a 5,000L damm and a quick fill pump that it tows on a trailer behind it.
As far as beach use, we use our regularly for assisting SAAS when casualtys injure themselves and are unable to walk of the beach, we just open up the rear of the tray and the spinal boar JUST pokes out the back.
Pixie
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what about cash in the hand jobs????
Good one Blinky :lol: :lol:
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Howdy all,
Just wondering if any groups have received their new Nissan Navara Logistics Vehicles. If so, can you post some pics up of them.
Thanks in advance.
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I would say that SES radios have all of the SES channels on them as well as multi agency and state ones thats it. They wouldnt have other CFS radio channels just as CFS radios dont have SES channels on them.
SES GRN radios work on all SES TGs plus MA TGs only.
Same as CFS GRN radios work on CFS TGs plus MA TGs only....
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SES GRN radios work on all SES TGs plus MA TGs only.
Same as CFS GRN radios work on CFS TGs plus MA TGs only....
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Roger :)
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Howdy all,
Just wondering if any groups have received their new Nissan Navara Logistics Vehicles. If so, can you post some pics up of them.
Thanks in advance.
Have been told this or next month for ours, so i would say about september then :-D
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Howdy all,
Just wondering if any groups have received their new Nissan Navara Logistics Vehicles. If so, can you post some pics up of them.
Thanks in advance.
Have been told this or next month for ours, so i would say about september then :-D
I have seen a new one dressed up as a DEH vehicle up at cleland. They look okay. Will be interesting to see how they look with the checkers on them
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The biggest problem I see with these vehicles if the foot room in the back seat. While the aim of the vehicle is logistics, I can see it being used as a command vehicle...and the foot room in the back seat in minimal...
My brigade had a Toyota Hilux twin cab for many years...and half the brigade struggled to get into the back seat (legs too long & not very flexible!), hence the truck became "the girls truck" because the female members of the brigade could get into the back seat more easily than the males !!
I believe the new Logistics vehicles would have a similar probelm :-(
Pip
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The biggest problem I see with these vehicles if the foot room in the back seat. . .
A real shortcoming of dual cabs to date.
The new Hiluxs are a hell of a lot better though. They're no cruiser/patrol wagon, but they've come a long way. Not sure about the new navaras & tritons.
In other words, it now seems possible to have a logistics dual cab capable of sticking 5 crew in for a reasonable drive
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I haven't been in one of the new Hiluxes...ours was a 1985 model, with no foot room...!!
If the foot room issue was solved, then having a ute, with a canopy on the back might be very useful!
Pip
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I had the chance to sit in the back of a new model Navara, it sure has more leg room than my old Hilux, but then I wasn't wearing my PPE at the time.
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Must be only certain group which are getting these :?
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Its a logistics vehicle. If you need a comand car... get one... call in another groups if yours are all busy or tied up. Its not hard.
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Looks like Yorke Valley Group got theirs today :-)
1919137 11:27:02 07-07-07 NEW GROUP LOGISTIC VEHICLE AT ARDROSSAN STATION IN 10-15 MINS FOR LOOKOVER REGARDS ****
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Its a logistics vehicle. If you need a comand car... get one... call in another groups if yours are all busy or tied up. Its not hard.
we have had times when those surrounding us were also busy, so when we started calling for extra vehicles from neighbouring Groups, they were all busy... :-(
The plan from HQ, which I assume hasn't changed, was that each Group gets one Command Car & one Logistics vehicle...anything above that, the Group funds themselves....
Having less command cars available (if this plan is still current) will make it more difficult to work under our current structure...
Pip
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Well pip if that is the case then CFS better look at why some groups can keep all their command cars as well as the new logistics vehicle.....
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Well pip if that is the case then CFS better look at why some groups can keep all their command cars as well as the new logistics vehicle.....
Maybe those groups are funding for those logistics vehicles themselves?
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Saw the Onkaparinga Groups New Logistics vehicle the other day just about ready for delivery :wink:
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Saw the Onkaparinga Groups New Logistics vehicle the other day just about ready for delivery :wink:
Didn't have the camera with you by any chance?
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Didn't have the camera with you by any chance? (Quote)
I did and when I went to take the shot it said change the batteries....Bugger
Im going for a second look on Monday and I will get pics if its there still :evil:
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Im going for a second look on Monday and I will get pics if its there still :evil:
Excellent!
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Our group is getting to keep our car 2 because it was purchased by the gorup so now we have both the cars and the logistics (when it arrives) which shouldn't be too far away since it was with yorke valley's one....
In the pics i saw i didn't see any red and blues, do they come with them???
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Does anyone have a photo yet ? I had a look on the 'CFS Promotions' website & could not find any...
I am interested because the SES might be issuing similar vehicles to the SES HQ Units has replacements to the existing utes.
Are the new CFS Logistics vehicles 4wd, diesel engines ?
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Lofty group have got ours now. Only couple of phone camera photos so far but signage will possibly change anyway. Mundcfs yes it comes with lights, sirens, radios etc. Bajdas they are 4WD Navara STX dualcab models, diesel and auto.
PS Pip the rego is XQN-606.
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Onka group DGO now has the Logistics Vehicle (sorry pip forgot the rego; being late after training), so i dont know what happened to Car 2. Got a really good dashboard layout i think, but i think Headsets for the GRN radios is essential during some major incidents.
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so did any other group's ones come with: owners manual, service manual, fire extingusher, first aid kit etc? ours didn't.
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Probably forgot to put them back after the fitout Dave :?
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Had a similar problem with the new work car, fitted out by the same company...
Pip
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well the place was certainly chockas with police cars. here's a (poor quality) pic of the oot (as my son calls them)
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Hi Darius,
Just wondering on where the new logistics vehicle will be stored? Or is this going to be driven around by another GO/DGO?
Stefan
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TAXI!!! :-P
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STEFAN, wassup. capt had it as do this week so i guess it will be available for that etc.
it looks like a taxi at night cos the barlight centre lights up. :)
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STEFAN, wassup. capt had it as do this week so i guess it will be available for that etc.
it looks like a taxi at night cos the barlight centre lights up. :)
Hmmm, and I thought the days of Captains chariots finished a long time ago :?
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STEFAN, wassup. capt had it as do this week so i guess it will be available for that etc.
it looks like a taxi at night cos the barlight centre lights up. :)
Hmmm, and I thought the days of Captains chariots finished a long time ago :?
He was the group duty officer, filling in for a DGO on holidays...
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Hence the - Capt had it as do < - Duty Officer.
:-)
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Thanks for the picture. :-D
Also, how many GRN radios (not portable) came 'standard' with the logistics vehicle. Was there 2 like in command vehicles or only 1???
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They are fitted with 2 GRN radios and a VHF radio as well as two portables
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They are fitted with 2 GRN radios and a VHF radio as well as two portables
Thanks SA Firey 8-)
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They are fitted with 2 GRN radios and a VHF radio as well as two portables
which of these new batch of logistics vehicles came with 2 portables? (are you talking GRN or VHF portables?)
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Onkaparinga Logistics "Car 2" has two mobile GRN's and 1 Portable i believe. Deputy Group Officer uses it.
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yeah and thats about all that uses it, bit like a private car for him :-o
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On the topic of logistics vehicles, I came accross "State Logistics 3" which is a CFS POD carrier complete with emergency beacons and LED's. Also sitting inside the store room was 2 POD's one open tray (fitted) and one pantech.
Guessing that this vehicle is reasonably new, just a pity I didn't have my camera with me.
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Have a look at the State Training Centre page on the CFS Promo website for the pic..... :-D (Type in "state" in the fire station name on the menu & follow the link)
Pip
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Southern Yorke Group will receive their Logistics Vehicle this week.
It will replace Southern Yorke Car 3
Hair
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They are fitted with 2 GRN radios and a VHF radio as well as two portables
which of these new batch of logistics vehicles came with 2 portables? (are you talking GRN or VHF portables?)
info from region is the Onka one has a GRN portable cos their vehicle was a changeover so it came out of the old vehicle. The other vehicles are not changeovers. I know that Lofty and Strath vehicles did not come with any portables, so would still like to find which of this batch did come with 2 portables (or any) if you know Jeff....
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All im going to say is dont shoot the messenger :evil:
This is supposed to be a friendly forum right :?
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They are quiet nicely set up inside to. Was happy with the amount of leg room in the back!. just got to tidy up a few place where dirt can get into the canopy.
DGO says it drive very nicely to. Get our chance to have a play with it soon...
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They are quiet nicely set up inside to. Was happy with the amount of leg room in the back!.
Hmmm not if your 6,3 :-D
Waaaaaay to many buttons to play with for the siren/lights panel.
Do like the alert button which switches lights and siren on but to turn siren off you have to turn everything off and then choose one of many lights configurations. :-o :roll:
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LOL Im 6'4" and it beats the hell out of out old rodeo! :D
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They are quiet nicely set up inside to. Was happy with the amount of leg room in the back!.
Hmmm not if your 6,3 :-D
Waaaaaay to many buttons to play with for the siren/lights panel.
Do like the alert button which switches lights and siren on but to turn siren off you have to turn everything off and then choose one of many lights configurations. :-o :roll:
Mundcfs on the control panal if you hit the button next to the alert button think it's wail this turns the siren off but leaves all ligts going
Matt
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They are quiet nicely set up inside to. Was happy with the amount of leg room in the back!.
Hmmm not if your 6,3 :-D
Waaaaaay to many buttons to play with for the siren/lights panel.
Do like the alert button which switches lights and siren on but to turn siren off you have to turn everything off and then choose one of many lights configurations. :-o :roll:
hmmm maybe we need atraining package... ;)
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They are quiet nicely set up inside to. Was happy with the amount of leg room in the back!.
Hmmm not if your 6,3 :-D
Waaaaaay to many buttons to play with for the siren/lights panel.
Do like the alert button which switches lights and siren on but to turn siren off you have to turn everything off and then choose one of many lights configurations. :-o :roll:
hmmm maybe we need atraining package... ;)
Ours came with a users manual in the glove box... You could try reading that! :P
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Received Southern Yorke Group Logistics Vehicle Tuesday evening.
Had work lights, UHF radio, GPS and provision for Engel fridge fitted
Hair
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More pics
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Siren Control Unit