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1908950 16:36:49 26-08-07 MFS: INC # 39 - 26/08/07 16:36,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,QUARRY RD,MCLAREN VALE, MAP 206 D 1 ,,SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER, JUST PAST MOTORCROSS CLUB,16624 1638*CFSRES: CFS: KYEEMA GROUP
1908952 16:36:45 26-08-07 MFS: INC # 39 - 26/08/07 16:36,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,QUARRY RD,MCLAREN VALE, MAP 206 D 1 ,,SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER, JUST PAST MOTORCROSS CLUB,16624 1638*CFSRES: CFS: McLaren Vale
1908950 16:36:36 26-08-07 MFS: INC # 39 - 26/08/07 16:36,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,QUARRY RD,MCLAREN VALE, MAP 206 D 1 ,,SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER, JUST PAST MOTORCROSS CLUB,16624 1638*CFSRES: CFS: KYEEMA GROUP
1908955 16:36:34 26-08-07 MFS: INC # 39 - 26/08/07 16:36,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,QUARRY RD,MCLAREN VALE, MAP 206 D 1 ,,SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER, JUST PAST MOTORCROSS CLUB,16624 1638*CFSRES: CFS: Willunga
1908951 16:40:27 26-08-07 MFS: INC # 41 - 26/08/07 16:40,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,QUARRY RD,MCLAREN VALE, MAP 206 D 1 ,,NEAR MOTORCROSS CLUB,16219*CFSRES: CFS: Aldigna Beach
It seems to me that MFS comms are still stuffing things up, talk about the closest and most appropriate rescource, that call should have been SEAFORD (fire/rapid interventiuon), Aldinga (rescue) Mc Vale (2nd Fire) and CD439 (2nd Rescue)!!
When will they get it right!
I think only Seaford and Mc Vale could have just gone to it, since it was a "vehicle accident/MVA" rather than RCR..Comcen probably got told that there were no entrapments.
From the looks of it, the job was dispatched according to the response information that was placed into the system by CFS...
According to the Road Crash Rescue Directory - if the address states McLaren Vale, the correct response is McLaren Vale for Fire and Aldinga Beach for rescue...
Quote from: Pixie on August 26, 2007, 08:46:10 PM
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1908950 16:36:49 26-08-07 MFS: INC # 39 - 26/08/07 16:36,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,QUARRY RD,MCLAREN VALE, MAP 206 D 1 ,,SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER, JUST PAST MOTORCROSS CLUB,16624 1638*CFSRES: CFS: KYEEMA GROUP
1908952 16:36:45 26-08-07 MFS: INC # 39 - 26/08/07 16:36,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,QUARRY RD,MCLAREN VALE, MAP 206 D 1 ,,SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER, JUST PAST MOTORCROSS CLUB,16624 1638*CFSRES: CFS: McLaren Vale
1908950 16:36:36 26-08-07 MFS: INC # 39 - 26/08/07 16:36,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,QUARRY RD,MCLAREN VALE, MAP 206 D 1 ,,SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER, JUST PAST MOTORCROSS CLUB,16624 1638*CFSRES: CFS: KYEEMA GROUP
1908955 16:36:34 26-08-07 MFS: INC # 39 - 26/08/07 16:36,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,QUARRY RD,MCLAREN VALE, MAP 206 D 1 ,,SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER, JUST PAST MOTORCROSS CLUB,16624 1638*CFSRES: CFS: Willunga
1908951 16:40:27 26-08-07 MFS: INC # 41 - 26/08/07 16:40,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,QUARRY RD,MCLAREN VALE, MAP 206 D 1 ,,NEAR MOTORCROSS CLUB,16219*CFSRES: CFS: Aldigna Beach
It seems to me that MFS comms are still stuffing things up, talk about the closest and most appropriate rescource, that call should have been SEAFORD (fire/rapid interventiuon), Aldinga (rescue) Mc Vale (2nd Fire) and CD439 (2nd Rescue)!!
When will they get it right!
Pixie, seaford aint rescue... get over it. Rapid intervention is not Rescue.
Response for Maclaren Vale (location entered) should have been MacVale and Aldinga to begin with by the looks of it (macvale = local fire, aldinga = first rescue), but i fail to see why you would respond Seaford, unless the road is actually Seaford area.
The response is perfect, couldn't get any more perfect, Seaford will never get called, unless Mclaren Vale didn't respond and only as fire cover, RIV isn't rescue, there is no class for RIV, your either Rescue or your NOT.
let me get this right though... you want 4 fire service resources to a first alarm vehicle accident...?
dont ya get enough jobs at Seaford to keep you busy?
Quote from: pumprescue on August 27, 2007, 09:23:34 AM
The response is perfect, couldn't get any more perfect.
If the RCR directory says McLaren Vale for fire and Aldinga Beach for rescue, then responding Willunga for rescue is clearly wrong (the Seaford RIV issue aside)...
However, as others have said, the responses are pre-determed for all roads, and those pre-determined responses have been checked and approved by CFS, so the MFS CRD guys and girls can't really be blamed if it's wrong...
Everyone of your posts pixie, your either bashing the MFS, the CFS, your own service Chief Officer, heirachy staff.. -anything else you want to whinge about while you are at it? Did the dog across the road bark too loud last night?
For hecks sake, the service in your area, the area (presumably) that you & your family and friends live in, is getting a greater level of service! .. That means more help when the sheit hits the fan!.. Why are you complaining so much about things which are only making things safer in your community?
Quote from: CFS_Firey on August 27, 2007, 11:59:37 AM
Quote from: pumprescue on August 27, 2007, 09:23:34 AM
The response is perfect, couldn't get any more perfect.
If the RCR directory says McLaren Vale for fire and Aldinga Beach for rescue, then responding Willunga for rescue is clearly wrong (the Seaford RIV issue aside)...
However, as others have said, the responses are pre-determed for all roads, and those pre-determined responses have been checked and approved by CFS, so the MFS CRD guys and girls can't really be blamed if it's wrong...
Willunga were sent to back up McLaren Vale for fire cover.
just for background info, probably should have put it in mys first post, Quarry road is in our area...
Trust me Pixie you are not the only brigade who's area is frequently!!! being entered into by brigades that shouldn't be there.
Quote from: Pixie on August 27, 2007, 04:05:06 PM
just for background info, probably should have put it in mys first post, Quarry road is in our area...
1) The RCR directory goes by suburb, so the response was correct according to that.
2) The correct procedure for changing the database is for your group to sit down with the other group in question, agree that it needs to change and then submit the paperwork to region. It was not an MFS error, it was an error in the data provided to them. Whinging on here won't fix it - it needs to go through the correct chain.
Your posts on this matter are pointless and are just stirring scheiße that doesn't need to be stirred.
Quote from: bittenyakka on August 27, 2007, 04:14:13 PM
Trust me Pixie you are not the only brigade who's area is frequently!!! being entered into by brigades that shouldn't be there.
1) In regards to response into others area - (In pixies case).. Other services/stations are responding due to a previously identified problem.
2) In regards to this thread - No one is being responded who shouldn't.. Is Quarry Rd
MCLAREN VALE in your area Pix? .. No, its not according to the RCRD!
Your post hasn't pointed out MFS stuffing up anything (the comcen operators are just going by the response guidelines they have).. It's pointed out that you have totally stuffed up this post and don't understand the response format or criteria / system which response decisions are made under!
Quarry road is in our area, and in the past we have been first response there. its on the boarder though of us and Mclaren vale
Pixie, pull ya head in.
hence probably why there was dual response...borders of response area's may aswell be over-responded, rather than having several possible defaults.
Did the job get done? If so lets get on with life and move past it. As i have said in the past, i don't care who comes to rescue/help me, just as long as someone turns up....
Well done to all volunteers and full timers for doing their job and that includes comcen.
Just venting my thoughts.
Sorry
Quote from: pumprescue on August 27, 2007, 02:42:38 PM
Quote from: CFS_Firey on August 27, 2007, 11:59:37 AM
Quote from: pumprescue on August 27, 2007, 09:23:34 AM
The response is perfect, couldn't get any more perfect.
If the RCR directory says McLaren Vale for fire and Aldinga Beach for rescue, then responding Willunga for rescue is clearly wrong (the Seaford RIV issue aside)...
However, as others have said, the responses are pre-determed for all roads, and those pre-determined responses have been checked and approved by CFS, so the MFS CRD guys and girls can't really be blamed if it's wrong...
Willunga were sent to back up McLaren Vale for fire cover.
And then the Rescue brigade was responded 4 minutes after that? I'm sorry, but its still not a perfect response, and it can certainly get better...
Quote from: Dezza on August 27, 2007, 06:32:12 PM
hence probably why there was dual response...borders of response area's may aswell be over-responded, rather than having several possible defaults.
I believe the complaint was that Seaford weren't responded, even though it was allegedly their area - not that it was over-responded.. ;)
As Jono said it's Seafords area, but if the caller said Mclaren vale as the suburb to comcen then Mclaren Vale is going to get the job as Quarry Rd goes through Mclaren vale & Old Noarlunga. If the caller said Old Noarlunga then this thread wouldn't exist. Its not something I'd be losing sleep over pixie.
I think we also have to remember is that we now have some old OCO staff working in comcen,also if the caller said the town name then the town will always get paged first.
so.... Main South Rd, Seaford is your area right?
is Main South Rd, Aldinga your area???
no.
as others have said, responses go by suburb when it comes to the RCRD.
Seaford is not in the RCRD,and secondly if you are not directly involved in the incident at hand,it shouldnt effect you so as long as a fire and rescue brigade were responded to the job.
I say again the public dont care what colour appliance,what brigade,as long as they get HELP :-D
Quote from: SA Firey on August 28, 2007, 08:05:03 AM
Seaford is not in the RCRD
have you ever read/looked at the RCRD?
Seaford
AMBULANCE - Metro
FIRE - Seaford CFS
POLICE - Christies Beach
1ST RESCUE - MFS
2ND RESCUE - Aldinga Beach CFS
Sorry mack I meant as rescue :oops:
QuoteAs Jono said it's Seafords area, but if the caller said Mclaren vale as the suburb to comcen then Mclaren Vale is going to get the job as Quarry Rd goes through Mclaren vale & Old Noarlunga. If the caller said Old Noarlunga then this thread wouldn't exist. Its not something I'd be losing sleep over pixie.
Spot on Jase, Quarry road Old Noarlunga is in zone 83B which would have attracted a response of Aldinga Beach Rescue, 1 x MFS from Christie Downs and 1x Seaford appliance. If the job was put in as Quarry road McLaren Vale then Mclaren Vale and Aldinga Beach should have been on the initial response. Obviously in this case Aldinga Beach weren't on the automatic response and I guess someone has requested them.
Quarry road is an interesting one because the suburb boundary runs down the middle of it, Ideally it should be setup as a dual response road so that both brigades get responded automatically, but then you may also end up with MFS also responding so you could get four appliances to a 1st alarm MVA (MFS, Aldinga Beach, McLaren Vale and Seaford).
BRING ON SACAD !!!
Quote from: SA Firey on August 28, 2007, 09:27:52 AM
Sorry mack I meant as rescue :oops:
no probs.. gotcha
SACAD cant be the holy grail mate....could possibly...you decide :evil:
een with sacad just because its on the border of your area dosent mean you will be responded it goes on who can get there first we have a big area and we always have CFS coming in to our area to MVA's we dont make a big fuss over it we had a truck v push bike the other week and Nuri rescue were called insteed of us it was only 5kms from our station 10mins we would have been there from page to site but nuri got it they had to travel 20mins to get to it not including time to get a crew so i dont see why all the fuss over seaford for us its
kapunda
FIRE=Kapunda CFS/MFS (MFS with in the town)
AMBO= Kapunda
RESCUE= Kapunda SES
Rescue 2nd= CFS (Eudunda/Nuriootpa/Hamley bridge)
MFS (Gawler)
all depends where abouts in our area it is some times it will be other CFS coming for fire as we cover
kapunda, freeling, Tarlee, hamilton, koonunga hill, roseworthy, templers, linwood, bagot well, bethil, fords, marabel(dule response with Sadelworth ses)
i think thats it but there is a massive area for our RCR
according to the directory for you mate it shud be
Kapunda Township
Fire - Kapunda MFS
1st Rescue - Kapunda SES
2nd Rescue - Nuriootpa CFS
Kapunda District
Fire - Kapunda CFS
1st Rescue - Kapunda SES
2nd Rescue - Kapunda MFS
seems odd to me though that Nuri are second resceu for the township, and MFS dont factor into rescue there at all according to the directory.. yet o/s the town it is MFS for second rescue...
Quote from: jasec on August 28, 2007, 12:38:46 AM
As Jono said it's Seafords area, but if the caller said Mclaren vale as the suburb to comcen then Mclaren Vale is going to get the job as Quarry Rd goes through Mclaren vale & Old Noarlunga. If the caller said Old Noarlunga then this thread wouldn't exist. Its not something I'd be losing sleep over pixie.
As with the fluffed pages for our area, it comes down to a notification system which was designed to work well for the caller who knows exactly where they are - traditionally they are in their own home, from their own fixed line.
That data is fed into a turn-out system designed around the metro UBD - short streets in small suburbs. Quote the UBD GR of the street name & your appliance will land within 100M or so of the job.
The real world as we now have it, has travellers who don't know their locality, let alone what road they are on, calling from mobile phones which could be anywhere. This info feeds a turn-out system that doesn't cope well with country distances or multiple possibilities.
We'd do well to turning our collective brain-power towards solving these two core causes, rather than merely whinging that Adelaide Fire got it wrong again. They, we, & the public are victims of a system that hasn't changed with our world.
In my opinion, we should be pressing government into spending cash on position-fixing technology and RAPID replacement, preferably this century. AdFire management needs to revisit scripting & tools so that dispatchers can better interrogate callers who are between towns (landmarks, terrain vs on-line topo maps, just like the CFS OCO's used to do before they were "assimilated").
That just leaves the callers who confidently quote the wrong street name &/or locality... don't know how one fixes that.
That's my two bobs worth, anyway.