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General Discussion => SA Firefighter General => Topic started by: fire03rescue on December 23, 2005, 07:00:20 AM
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Why does it rain on half of the fire ban days that we have :?
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mmmm
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so true......
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According to the BOM. This is a pre change front, which will last 3 - 4 hours. Of which after we will experience Hot conditions, and very hot, strong northerly winds... Before the next change..
Well, the way the BOM are going.. That could mean it is going to hail all day... OR it will suddenly turn to 45 with 95% humidity ! ?
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1919058 09:41:03 23-12-05 console0:BOM have downgraded forcast but full statewide fire bans still in place. SEOC & SCCBF still operational
BAHAHAHA
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of course... lookign at decoders we will also notice decent fires at burra and kapunda......
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It seems as if the Lower South East has been ripped off of the predicted bushfire weather :cry:
As it has been overcast all day and have had the occassional shower but no gale force northerlies or temperatures in the low-mid 30's
it's almost as if the cool change doesnt want the South East to have hot weather before cooling down :-(
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it's almost as if the cool change doesnt want the South East to have hot weather before cooling down :-(
THats a godo thing mate :mrgreen:
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(http://sirocco.accuweather.com/sat_mosaic_400x300_public/ir/isAUST.jpg) (http://wwwa.accuweather.com/world-forecast-current-conditions.asp?partner=forecastfox&zipcode=OCN;AU;SA;ADELAIDE;&metric=1)
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of course... lookign at decoders we will also notice decent fires at burra and kapunda......
Last I heard Burra was at 5000 hectares... Any one got any latest ?
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14:41:46 23-12-05
SHQ: SEVERE WEATHER WARNING FOR MN, FLI & METRO. WESTERLY WINDS 50-60 KMPH, GUSTING TO 95 KMPH POSSIBLE IN NEXT 3 HRS.
14:41:44 23-12-05
SHQ: DUNNO - LOOKS LIKE THEY MAY BE SLOWLY GETTING IT UNDER CONTROL, OVER 5300 HA, WILL BE LOTS OF NICE MOP UP
SA Country Fire Service Crews are still battling a blaze in the State’s Mid North at Burra. The fire has now burnt more than 1000 hectares and is heading into difficult terrain. The fire has jumped across Kooringa Road and Burra to Jamestown Roads and is burning on about a 50-metre front. Additional firefighting crews from SA Country Fire Service and the Department for Environment and Heritage are on the way to the Burra fire to assist those currently on the ground. More than 80 CFS volunteer firefighters are at the scene and are battling the blaze in windy and hot conditions.
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It seems the Lower South East escaped the wrath of this bushfire weather relatively unscathed despite having very high winds around 16:30-17:00pm and it seems that Kalangadoo,Nangwarry & Mount McIntyre brigades are the only ones to have been to paged for a smoke sighting
These 2 response messages were sent at 17:33&17:37pm after the smoke
sighting was phoned in (note: these are off the paging site)
1909366 17:33:03 23-12-05 SHQ: *CFSRES: KALANGADOO, NANGWARY, MT MCINTYRE RESPOND SMOKE SIGHTING GRID REFERANCE 800500 NORTH OF KALANGADOO - BOMBERS ATTENDING ALSO > 23/12/2005 17:32:54
1913738 17:37:11 23-12-05 CFSR5: CFSRES* BOMBERS & AAS RESPOND to smoke sighting LSE MAP17 800 500. 23/12/2005 5:37:09 PM
On our arrival to the scene it turned out to be raised dust :lol:
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Apparently lightning has gone through Ngarkat and Billiat National parks. Lets hope some rain was also delivered to the area.
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27/12/2005 is a day of total fire ban for the Lower South East im hoping that it doesnt rain like it did the day before xmas eve when we had a fire ban :-)
If Kalangadoo gets called out to any emergency during the day you can assure that ill be posting the response messages that come over the paging site on here :-D
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Wouldn't you rather be on the truck than sitting at home posting what the brigade was going too ??? :? :-P
I dunno mate, you might retract ur statement bout rain if a raging fire takes ur house, and the town...
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Sorry about the statement of hoping there isnt any rain tomorrow it because we've had enough rain already but no fire is gonna take my home or town as ill be standing in it's way with a fire hose
Being that my mum and i are in the same household we have to take in turns of responding to call outs after lessons were learnt from the Linton bushfires in Victoria
So tomorrow im gonna let my mum respond to all fires that Kalangadoo gets called to but if theres a shortage of crew all that needs to be done just to get my attention and response is setting the station siren off :-D
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Is having one member of the family on an appliance something self imposed or is it a rule set down by the brigade ??
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I was under the impression that technically not 2 members from the same family are 'technically' allowed on the same appliance together... ?? ?? ??
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It's the statement you said strikeathird although the rule has been broken 2 times in our brigade this year
The only reason mum and myself broke the rule was because we had a serious shortage of crew when there was a hay truck fire and our Captain let down his guard and went to town thinking nothing would happen leaving only 4 members in the town to respond
2 of them being mum and myself :-D
So yeah but we didnt get into trouble for that because the OIC which was our 1st Lieutenant told the Captain what for :wink:
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I don't recall reading that in the SOP's or OMG's, is anyone able to provide evidence of that ??
I would be surprised if it was something strongly enforced because in many rural communities you often have the father, son's, uncles, nephews etc in the same town and often in the same brigade.
I know of some brigades that wouldn't be able to respond an appliance if they strictly adhered to that rule.
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I see the rule as silly matt because we only have 7 active members and if the brigade started excluding members from the same family from going on the truck at the same time then our brigade wont have a crew to roll :cry:
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Thats right mattb, our brigade wouldn't be able to respond without 2 people from the same family.
It's all a load of crap, C.F.S threw the idea around for 5 minutes but then realised that it wouldn't work.
Robert34 just both go on the truck, believe me you won't get in trouble.
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I wish it was that easy TILLERMAN but our Captain takes his job a little bit too seriously if you know what i mean :cry:
Trying to argue with him is like arguing with a brickwall you wont win :-(
If only we had a captain who would take his job seriously but in a relaxed way :lol: ..... then again the election is in a few months maybe someone who knows how to take his job seriously but knows how to have a laugh every so often might come along and take over from our current captain :-D
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Mmmm, wishing for extreme conditions tends to suggest that the wisher has not seen too many nasty fires!
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There is no rule about family members together.
But I guess your OIC has the right to say who is approved for the job.
I had a couple in the Brigade once that I would try very hard to ensure weren't on the same appliance because of the way they were together. Too much to deal with without them carrying on :-)
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rule about not having family members on the same truck??? that is rubbish...
if that were true then we might as well fold all cfs stations, becasue almost evry single statio would have at least a few families in..
our station used to role trucks with an officer, then two family members from across my street (father/son) and two from my house (brothers)... wouldnt be able to do any jobs otherwise...
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Once again the Wattle Range & Mount Gamber CFS Divisions escaped the wrath of today's bushfire weather despite having strong winds :-)
However we might not be so lucky during this evening because of these paging messages i found on the paging website :-(
1905914 16:40:52 27-12-05 27/12/2005 4:40:40 PM SHQ: BE ADVICED: SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING CURRENT FOR AD, MLR, NWP, FLI, WC, EEP, LEP, YP, MN, KI, RIV, MUR, USE, LSE. GUSTS OF 100KPH REPORTED. SHQ.
1909219 18:16:48 27-12-05 CFSR5: BOM advice severe thunderstorm warning for the evening 27/12/05. Wind gusts over 90kph may occur. 27/12/2005 6:16:26 PM
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I think the reason it keeps raining on Fire bad days is because the worst conditions are when a front is moving in, so you get strong/gusty winds, while its still warm... Luckily for us, the changes have come in the morning, before its had time to get really hot... (thats in my part of SA anyway :-P)...
As for the family member son trucks, I've also heard about that rule... Dunno where it came from, and don't know anyone that follows it... (Except Kalangadoo Captian ;))
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Seems strange. We have a few families as well, and the majority dont respond at the same anyway. However, I think The majority of Brigades in our group are family orientated. The father, son, uncle comment... so true!!
If your captain is giving you to much grief over it robert, just ask him to show you the paper its written on! Although I get the impression you would rather leave someone at home, which is fair enough....
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You hit the nail on the head Mike and being that next month is likely to be the deadly bushfire month for Gambier & Wattle Range Divisions i'd rather stay at home and defend the house whilst my mom goes out
Because there arent many people in town who would stay and defend their homes during a bushfire as i've seen on the Ash Wednesday video they were all at the pub
Plus it would be the perfect chance to utilize my Emergency Response Warden training that i did in 2005 as well as test out my forward command skills :-D
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Well I Have Heard Of That Rule, However I Know Its Not Strongly Enforced Because It Makes It Harder To Get Crew. I Know Of Several Members In Our Brigade & Surrounding Brigades That Respond With Family Members. As For Roberts Comment That Makes Sence, If You Can Leave Someone Home To Defend Your Own House & One Respond With The Truck It Covers Both Bases.
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paperwork checked
there is no such state rule
however...
as im sure it is known every brigade can (and should) have there own SOPs. these would be written by the brigade themselves and could include such a rule
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It sounds a sill rule we would always be short if our family thats in the brigade did not all attend as that makes 4 people on the truck
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Hmm, so it cant be found in that wad of paperwork..... So, either its lost in transit, or lots of brigades made it up off their own backs........ Seems a little strange that so many people have heard of it though, especially when its all put in the same way.
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:? never found it anywhere :?
but as i said, could be in the brigade SOPs
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Tomorrow is a day of Total Fire Ban for the Murraylands,Upper South East and Lower South East of South Australia i found this out while listening to the South East Forestry SA weather forecast, but its strange Forestry SA South East has a Very High Level 2 declared for tomorrow despite the fire ban being declared :?
Heres the messages that i have found off the paging site
1909224 16:48:33 08-01-06 CFSR5: REQUIRE SPOTTER 505 AND AAS FOR STANDBY TOMORROW, PLEASE CONFIRM WITH R5. 8/01/2006 4:48:21 PM
1909220 16:46:23 08-01-06 CFSR5: FIRE BANS HAVE BEEN DECLARED FOR UPPER AND LOWER SOUTH EAST FOR MONDAY 09/01/05. 8/01/2006 4:45:46 PM
1912679 16:36:00 08-01-06 SHQ: **PLEASE CONFIRM RECEIPT OF FIRE BAN ADVICE WITH SOCC** SIG INC: TOTAL FIRE BANS HAVE BEEN DECLARED FOR 09/01/06 IN THE MUR, USE, LSE. ON-CALL STAFF CONFIRM. < 8/01/2006 16:35:49
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mmm well i dont really know what you mean robert about forestries,,,
but is definitely a total fire ban in USE LSE and murraylands tommorow.
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Once again i am dumbfounded as to the reason why CFS and Weather Bureau havent declared a state wide fire ban for Saturday even though nearly all of SA will be in the high 30's-low 40's :?
After all there are at least a half a dozen fires going on around the state ranging from Coomandook to Spalding
Below are 2 pager messages off the site with indications that a fire ban should have been declared for the USE&LSE
1919036 16:35:36 20-01-06 CFSR5: WX: For 21/01/06, Keith Temp 43, RH 16%, Wind W/20, Ncte Temp 42, RH 17%, Wind W/20, MTG Temp 39, RH 23%, Wind W/20. Bombers: Active stand-by
1911393 17:01:10 20-01-06 SHQ: AMR, HELIAIR & AIR CREW INFO: FDI'S FOR 21/01/06. MT CRAW: 26 &35 , KUITPO: 25 & 36, STRATH: 30, 2ND VALLEY: 25 & 35, MT GAMBIER: 18 & 33, CNAWRA: 20 & 38, COLES PT: 66, LINCOLN 40 & 50, WUDINNA 81 & 94. <
I also did come across another message which says about possible bans on Sunday
16:51:02 20-01-06 NO BANS IN REGION 2 TOMORROW - HOWEVER LIKELIHOOD OF WIDESPREAD BANS ON SUNDAY FROM R2HQ CFS -R2 FIREBAN INFO
It would have been good for CFS to declare one big fire ban SA for Saturday as Forestry SA South East have a Forest Work Ban starting from tomorrow morning until 24:00hrs Sunday night :-)
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The FDI has to be ABOVE 50 for a Fire ban.. There are some Bans inplace tomorrow, check the website for which ones.
The FDI's take alot of different stats to be made. Including Relative Humidity, Wind, Curing, Temperature etc etc...
Just cause it is hot.. Doesn't mean it shoudl be a fire ban.. I have been to worse fires on 28 degree days, with Howling wind...
Oh, and most the fires that are going were caused by lightening... Fire ban or not, nature isnt going to stay away cause you put the sign out that says .. TFB.
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Robert34 the RH is fairly high tomorrow in alot of areas and the wind isn't very high so thats why there is only a few fire bans.
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Early prediction from the BOM is 8 bans for Sunday, not sure which areas though.
Sounds like the fires in the Ngarkat and Dangali National Parks could cause trouble if they are not rounded up tommorow, with warm weather predicted for the rest of the week there is a chance they'll go for a while.
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1922914 14:05:33 21-01-06 AUTO: Port Lincoln: Temp - 41.3 Rel Hum - 13 Wind WNW 43/54 FDI:97 FDI TREND - RISING
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I've got a real bad feeling that Sunday is possibly going to be a Smackdown vs Raw version wrestling match only it will be SA Fire Services vs Massive Bushfires in a Hell In The Cell Match
Cause tomorrows northerly wind is coming from Inland Australia or as we call it The Great Australian Blowtorch Wind a wind that can cause mass chaos if it gets a hold of a fire :-o
Im hoping that the fires at Coomandook and Ngarkat are rounded up before the onslaught of more hot weather tomorrow other wise were looking at Black Sunday II :-(
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On pagersite today it said that sunday will be a statewide fireban with one medium heli bomber 1 strike team of 14's and 2 strike teams of 24's from NSW RFS being sent to Adelaide for the day
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New South Wales fire service are sending over firefighters to help deal with the fires burning in SA and to try and control them from blazing a trail of destruction in tomorrows oppressive heat.
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Once again i am dumbfounded as to the reason why CFS and Weather Bureau havent declared a state wide fire ban for Saturday even though nearly all of SA will be in the high 30's-low 40's :?
there were only a few TFB districts on saturday.....
state wide sunday
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Who uses total fire ban signs still, they used to be popular but i don't think as many brigades use them as used to?
Our brigade does.
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we've had to stop for a little while, but will be starting to use signs again very soon hopefully.
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we do;.. one at the local deli, one at the station
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I think they are definately a good tool for the local comunity... My brigade uses them.
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We just wail our siren 3 times at 8:30 to state a tfb day. Not sure how many know what this means though.. We dont have signs.
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Uh Sam did you know that 3 wails of a siren either signifies All Clear or More Crew needed not sure which one :-)
Cause we came very close to using the 4 phase siren wail system during the Kalangadoo-Glencoe Road fire a few years ago as the fire at one stage was heading up Wepar road towards Kalangadoo
We have only had to use the first 2 phases a couple of times this season because of crew shortage
I know that your 3 siren wails on a Total Fire Ban day isnt harming anyone but bear in mind that it is apart of the 4 phase siren wail system which was developed during war times :-D