rope rescue equipment

[rescue5271]

Medevac,come down to the real world open your eyes and you will see how  a remote RCR brigade works,we dont have the luxary of  rcr brigade around the corner and over the hill. It does not matter if the RCR gear is removed from our rescue does it??? so who where we going to get to cover our area when two SES rescue units where also involved??? and lest face it you can do alot with what we took of the appliances and put into our pumper and car two..As for the guys being paged for a RCR on the way home well that may or may not have happened and lets face it we had the gear on other appliances..... Time some people came and see just what the other half of the CFS do rather than attack them for there actions....

[medevac]

mate im willing to bet i have more of an idea about CFS as a state wide service than you, and just as much of an idea about the use of mutliple services at jobs...

personally i just think the rescue gear, should go to the rescue... with the rescue truck...

but thats just muy opinion. sure i can see the benefit of having RCR gear available to put on other appliances and taken to other jobs...

lay off me

[CFS_Firey]

Medevac, what you are saying is very true, however I think in most cases the rope rescue equipment is considered a different resource to the road crash equipment.  As such, sending the rope rescue equipment separate from RCR equipment isn't breaking your rescue response at all...

[rescue5271]

There was no way that the rope rescue gear would fit into a command car so it was easy just to remove the road accident gear.....

[medevac]

hold 5.


so u took the road crash rescue gear off so the rope rescue gear would fit?

if so; i was unaware the rope rescue wasnt permanently stowed on the RCR truck

i understand that.

[rescue5271]

Well medevac,you have it wrong naracoorte rescue has a whole locker that hold cave and rope rescue gear in it and it works well for us.......

[medevac]

well then i m still at a loss for words...



 

[rescue5271]

Next time your in town come and have a good look..........

[CFS_Firey]

lol, sorry to confuse things medevac... I'll keep out of it now...

[Alan (Big Al)]

It's simple.... your travelling a huge distance out of area for a vert. rescue job, your nearest RCR backup for your town is 50km away, why not spend 2 minutes taking your RCR gear off your rescue for the "in case of jobs" that way if theres an RCR while your rescue is out your not spending 45 minutes at an MVA waiting for 2nd rescue to arrive to do a job that could have been done if you used a bit of foresight to leave equipment behind that you don't need at the initial job, but may be needed within your own area?  Especially if you do a high number of MVA's.....

[strikeathird]

You come across a rescue on the way there / way home ?  Still waiting for the gear arent you..


Bit of a 50/50...  However being a rescue truck, you should probably carry it on at all times... - But... I don't know how things work down your way so can't really comment ...   However I understand where both blinky and medevac are both coming from..


 

[medevac]

blinky - ill PM ya next time im on my way down,dont reallly get down that way much... and will have to have a look around the station and rigs.

[rescue5271]

no problems mate and anyone else that is down this way and wants to have a look give me a buzz..

[shane]

the ses runs 3 full weekend coarses in relation to vertical rescue. the first being vertical access of which members are introduced to the various vertical rescue equipment and are tought the limitations (swl) and usage of equipment. They also learn how to set up various anchorage, desend and assend a 11mm single rescue rope.

the second phase is called vertical technician. with the use of the larkin frame and the three building block approach the rescuer will be taught the technique of performing a sling rescue to a un injured casualty stuck on a cliff or from a height. the rescuers are taught to set up the load line which is the main line off the cliff to the casualty and brake line and haul line which are bolt on rigs for a lifting operation if required.

phase three is similar to phase two in that you use the same system in the larkin frame with lowering and lifting except the rescuer will recover a injured casualty from a cliff or height with the use of a basket stretcher. some additional specialised anchorage systems and 1 on 1 rescues are also taught.

the ses uses a very safe vertical rescue system and the training given by the state instructors is excellent.

[2090]

They also learn how to set up various anchorage, desend and assend a 11mm single rescue rope.

the ses uses a very safe vertical rescue system and the training given by the state instructors is excellent.

 

[bajdas]

They also learn how to set up various anchorage, desend and assend a 11mm single rescue rope.

the ses uses a very safe vertical rescue system and the training given by the state instructors is excellent.

 

Sorry, I dont understand what you are implying. Because yes the training is VERY SAFE.

[CFS_Firey]

I think he's implying that a SINGLE rope rescue system isn't as safe as the double rope system the CFS uses (That's what I understand from the bolded words)...

[bajdas]

Oh well, I think I should agree to disagree on the 'single rope rescue technique being safe to use'. Have been taught those techniques when I first joined SES and they are still taught.

The primary instructor (now Deputy Chief Officer) physically did the breaking strain tests on the ropes to prove no problems. As previously stated each piece of equipment is physically checked before use and protected during use. SWL's are strictly enforced.

CFS and SES have different techniques which I hope the instructors of both CFS & SES will resolve in the future has a common standard is developed in training.

I certainly have no problems being a exercise casualty in the stretcher of a single rope technique rescue be SES trained volunteers.

[CFS_Firey]

Slightly offtopic, but in the same field: Do the SES teach the method of always having 3 points of contact (like climbing a ladder you have 3 limbs on the rounds, or on a cliff edge 2 feet on the ground plus a rope attached to waist)?

[bajdas]

Always have 3 points of contact....taught from Basic Rescue course onwards

[CFS_Firey]

So with a single rope system, what's the third point of contact?

[2090]

If the rest of this thread is to suggest anything, it is that you don't appear to understand that Rope Systems can fail well within their SWL. Its not about the rope itself breaking, its about the system failing. A Karabiner with a weakness, maybe dropped, maybe a factory fault. Maybe your firetail lets go. Maybe your anchor wasnt such a great anchor after all...

I dont understand how, when there is a safer option available, its not taken.

[CFS_Firey]

I dont understand how, when there is a safer option available, its not taken.

Probably the same reason why all CFS vols don't wear structural helmets, and drive to bushfires in firekings... But with something so simple and financially viable, I get your point...

[SA Firey]

I dont understand how, when there is a safer option available, its not taken.

Probably the same reason why all CFS vols don't wear structural helmets, and drive to bushfires in firekings... But with something so simple and financially viable, I get your point...

They gave us Bushwackers and said only use structure helmet for structure jobs not allowed to be worn at rural jobs

I know which one Id rather wear

[Mike]

So with a single rope system, what's the third point of contact?

2 Feet on the cliff face
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If you were to be in a free fall environment (ie: off the middle of a bridge) are you going to use 3 ropes?

All theories are not always practical.... unfortunately