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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2400 on: February 15, 2010, 03:49:53 PM »
19:39:55 14-02-10 MFS: CFSRES INC082 14/02/10 19:37,RESPOND GRASS FIRE,CLONLEA PARK,MURRAY RD,WILLASTON MAP 23 M 2 TG182,ENTER MURRAY STREET,CONC00 CFS Concordia Response

19:49:15 14-02-10 CONC: *CFSRES: CONCORDIA CFS RESPONDING TO INCIDENT 14-02-10 19:46 CFS Concordia Response

20:19:44 14-02-10 MFS: CFSRES INC086 14/02/10 20:16,RESPOND Tree Down,RIGHT BY THE PHONE BOX ON ROSEDALE RD,ROSEDALE MAP 321 H 8 TG096,TREE ON CARAVAN. DIA 30CM. CALLER MANION, - 8524 9132. P3.,CONC00 CFS Concordia Response


What would they do here seeing that it is fairly large fire they are attending and they only have one truck?

lyndoch still had 34P being crewed up for a response to gawler so maybe they would have sent them inplace of concordia as the fire was a higher priority
Lyndoch 34p were being sent for asset protection.
It would appear it didn't get seen to yesterday, otherwise there would be no need for this page.

MFS: CFSRES INC055 15/02/10 15:22,RESPOND Tree Down,LOT 32 ROSEDALE RD,ROSEDALE MAP 321 H 8 TG096,PH MRS MANION ON 85249 132 RE BRANCH DOW,N ON CARAVAN APPROX 150MM DIAM P3,CONC00 CFS Concordia Response
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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2401 on: February 15, 2010, 06:35:33 PM »
19:58:49 15-02-10 REMINDER; Group Meeting Tuesday, 16th February at One Tree Hill commencing at 7.30p.m. Reports required. Dress uniform please. Pam Para Admin. CFS Para Group Info

Dress uniform??

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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2402 on: February 15, 2010, 10:29:44 PM »
19:58:49 15-02-10 REMINDER; Group Meeting Tuesday, 16th February at One Tree Hill commencing at 7.30p.m. Reports required. Dress uniform please. Pam Para Admin. CFS Para Group Info

Dress uniform??

Yeah im guessing theres still an ounce of tradition about the place,  i wouldnt mind seeing a bit of that around the place in my neighbourhood...guess we're australian's tho :P

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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2403 on: February 17, 2010, 05:20:21 AM »
03:49:12 17-02-10 SGB: STIRLING CORO AND CHERRY RESPOND INC009 GRASS FIRE,UPPER STURT RD,HAWTHORNDENE MAP 155 D 1 TG146,OPPOSITE GOLF CLUB RESPONDING WITH BLACKWOOD AND UPPER STURT ASSETS UNDER THREAT *CFSRES: 3:46:32 AM CFS Cherry Gardens Response

04:00:58 17-02-10 SGB: LOFTY TANKER RESPOND INC009 GRASS FIRE,UPPER STURT RD, UPPER STURT MAP 155 D 1 TG146, CORNER OF FOOTS HILL RD *CFSRES: 3:58:21 AM CFS Bradbury Response



Why is it that Sturt group just cannot follow procedure like every one else...SGB lives on...

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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2404 on: February 17, 2010, 06:46:21 AM »
Yeah its a bit strange,  they dont even use TG124 to call mobile to incidents...

Once ya start doing strange procedures to Non-Sturt Group brigades... High level of confusion is a Risk...

but ey...what they do is what they do...

Nice development by adelaide fire:  "BELR01" is the Belair Response + Sirens... good stuff!!

Keeping all CRD in a centralised format is where CFS should be heading...Hail SACAD.. lol
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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2405 on: February 17, 2010, 07:05:56 AM »
Yeah its a bit strange,  they dont even use TG124 to call mobile to incidents...

Once ya start doing strange procedures to Non-Sturt Group brigades... High level of confusion is a Risk...

but ey...what they do is what they do...

Nice development by adelaide fire:  "BELR01" is the Belair Response + Sirens... good stuff!!

Keeping all CRD in a centralised format is where CFS should be heading...Hail SACAD.. lol
I think what you are seeing is the new (informal) arrangement between Sturt, Lofty, Mawson (maybe) and Heyson (maybe) to rapidly turn out what they need and then worry about the formalities later.

Their base responds to the page on TG124 and then runs the incident including extra resources, its just a different way of operating......has fors and againsts, but it works for them, and I've always found them pretty on the ball to work with, or respond into their area.....so if its not broke, dont worry about it

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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2406 on: February 17, 2010, 08:06:46 AM »
First our group has heard of it...spose its no different to someone hitting the decoder box

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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2407 on: February 17, 2010, 09:01:49 AM »
07:55:02 17-02-10 MFS:*CFSRES (Happy Valley) RESPOND (vehicle accident), (flagstaff rd Flagstaff Hill), (car vs pole clean up required) CFS Happy Valley Response

09:22:05 17-02-10 MFS:*CFSRES DUBLIN RESPOND ASSIST SAAS, 52 PRIME ST, PT PARHAM, PATIENT LIFT, PRIORITY 2 CFS Dublin Response

09:51:28 17-02-10 CFSRES MORPHETT VALE RESPOND SCHOOL FIRE WIRREANDA HIGH SCHOOL, RICHARDS DR, MORPHETT VALE - WITH MFS CFS Morphett Vale Response

10:22:52 17-02-10 MFS; REPOND INC 029- SCHOOL FIRE XAVIER COLLAGE KENTISH RD GAWLER BELT. *CFSRES: CFS Roseworthy Response

whats the go with way the pager messages are written today? seem fairly different or is it just me

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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2408 on: February 17, 2010, 09:14:26 AM »
The modem in MFS Comms gave up and paging was being done via Link :wink:
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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2409 on: February 17, 2010, 10:14:23 AM »

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I think what you are seeing is the new (informal) arrangement between Sturt, Lofty, Mawson (maybe) and Heyson (maybe) to rapidly turn out what they need and then worry about the formalities later.

Their base responds to the page on TG124 and then runs the incident including extra resources, its just a different way of operating......has fors and againsts, but it works for them, and I've always found them pretty on the ball to work with, or respond into their area.....so if its not broke, dont worry about it
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Worry about formalities later, what a royal commission,isn't the whole point of one CRD centre to eliminate people doing their own things, by turning out their own resources then no one knows what resources have been deployed or the status of brigade resources because it has not been dispatched and noted on the system? Imagine one day if there was multiple jobs on and they said let's respond stirling to another grass fire, oh sorry sturt group sent them out a while back, should Adelaide fire be made to ring the sturt base every time they turn a job out to make sure they haven;t already got it at something else?

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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2410 on: February 17, 2010, 05:01:00 PM »
yes Bronto you're right....and u can then sit and wait for Region to approve more resources or wave the last copy of the Old Testament to the East, or whatever the hell else they do.....of course, Adelaide Fire will know whats going on cos they check in on 124, and monitor other TGs, but hey, dont let the facts get in the way of an emotive argument will you

Didnt say it was perfect, said it worked for them......from what I saw on TV tonight, looked like a fair save given the ground and the size of the job (and that a few Brigades had been dragged down the hill partially to another earlier fire. Havent heard anyone mention that they might have actually saved some stuff with the screwed up, non standard approach........but hey, I'm sure theres something else u can bitch about in that too

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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2411 on: February 18, 2010, 10:12:44 AM »
Adelaide Fire will know whats going on cos they check in on 124, and monitor other TGs, but hey, dont let the facts get in the way of an emotive argument will you

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Sorry, but Adelaide Fire wont know whats going on when we have resources booking mobile that as far as we are aware havent been responded. And re local TGs, Adelaide Fire dont monitor them.

Personal opinion, all brigade responses should be through Adelaide Fire for consistency and for the log [as BOMS pushes the records into AIRS of turnout times/resources/etc] and also so that comcen actually knows what is happening with statewide resources.

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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2412 on: February 18, 2010, 12:59:46 PM »
14:24:49   18-02-10   CFS: SIG INC: FYI: MFS HAVING BOMS TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, CRD BEING UNDERTAKEN MANUALLY, SOME DELAYS MAY BE EXPECTED, REFER CRIIMSON FOR FURTHER INFO - SC WATTS > 18/02/2010 2:22:24 PM

ha typical...a full 30+ hours...

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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2413 on: February 18, 2010, 04:01:22 PM »
17:28:37 18-02-10 MFS: HAPPY VALLEY - PLEASE IGNORE RESPONSE PAGE TO FOLLOW - TESTING SYSTEM THANKS CFS Happy Valley Response

17:28:45 18-02-10 MFS: HAPPY VALLEY - THANKS FOR YOUR HELP - NORMAL DISPATCH BACK ON LINE CFS Happy Valley response
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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2414 on: February 18, 2010, 04:06:49 PM »
17:36:35 18-02-10 MFS: SENIOR OFFICER GROUP: THE PAGING PROBLEM HAS BEEN SOLVED BY THE MFS ELECTRONICS DEPARTMENT TECH MFS Car 31

Good boys :-D
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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2415 on: February 18, 2010, 08:52:08 PM »
Considering their 'real-life' occupations, it's also possible that the Sturt
GOs are intimately familiar with the pros & cons of MFS dispatch systems & have
(and/or had) good reasons for doing it <ahem> 'differently'.

One day, all Groups will be like Sturt Group...   :-D:evil:

<chanting> All hail, O Great SACAD...

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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2416 on: February 19, 2010, 09:05:32 AM »
ANY CREW AVAILABLE @ AROUND 1130 TO ASSIST POLICE WITH SOMETHING VERY INTERESTING CALL ME ASAP ON 0429672223 DONT CALL IF U CANT COME CFS Booleroo Info

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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2417 on: February 19, 2010, 02:14:17 PM »
just following on from the Sturt Group job in Upper Sturt the other night, saw an interesting media grab from one of the firefighters at the scene, who is also a Staff member in town. Very foolish comments, and hardly a professional image. I didnt think random firefighters were supposed to speak to the media?

Can't imagine the Chief or any of the deputies would be too happy with him.....

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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2418 on: February 19, 2010, 02:38:10 PM »
seems to be a bit of a talking point lately..Does he/she have their volunteer hat on or did they just have their staff hat on?

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« Reply #2419 on: February 19, 2010, 07:17:41 PM »
 :-D
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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2420 on: February 19, 2010, 08:22:46 PM »
We wouldn't have a clue who has responded and who is being responded direct. 
Wouldnt you just look at your PDW up there and that would tell you?
Treat everyone as if they are an idiot, until they prove you otherwise.

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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2421 on: February 20, 2010, 03:44:19 PM »
We wouldn't have a clue who has responded and who is being responded direct. 
Wouldnt you just look at your PDW up there and that would tell you?

Exactly the same as the guys out in scanner jockey land, nothing like that should be taken as gospel. Besides, PDWs arent reliable for that sort of thing.

As i said before should be centralised. If your just gonna hit a button on the decoder that responds your neighbour with a pre-canned msg, then all good. But i think if your going to send a 'customised' response msg for that job, then it might as well be from the right people.

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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2422 on: February 20, 2010, 08:58:24 PM »
out of curiosity....
MFS Comms has capacity to mark appliances already dispatched using response message on Regional TG.

By what process are they re-marked available again?

Out of service / back in service?

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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2423 on: February 20, 2010, 09:57:18 PM »
out of curiosity....
MFS Comms has capacity to mark appliances already dispatched using response message on Regional TG.

By what process are they re-marked available again?

Out of service / back in service?

cheers

They dont have a process.   Its up to the individual group/brigade to "knock back/default"  incidents as they come up.  Meaning...incidents will continue to be thrown at brigades till they say something like "no".

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Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« Reply #2424 on: February 20, 2010, 10:01:28 PM »
Alan, brigades & trucks are never put 'on jobs' as such. If we get a call we send it out to the brigade whos area it is, regardless of whether they are already on a job, its then there responsibility to organise attendance.

We can however take brigades out of the system, eg if a single appliance station is getting the truck serviced...

 

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