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Offline OMGWTF

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« on: September 04, 2007, 07:12:47 PM »
MFS: INC # 61 - 04/09/07 18:28,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,PYRITES RD,DAWESLEY, MAP 162 K 10 ,,SPILl ONLY CORNER OF SYDNEY NO PERSON TRAPPED CALL FROM POLICE,1298 1288*CFSRES:
MFS: INC # 61 - 04/09/07 18:28,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,PYRITES RD,DAWESLEY, MAP 162 K 10 ,,SPILL ONLY CORNER OF SYDNEY NO PERSON TRAPPED CALL FROM POLICE,1298 1288*CFSRES:

MFS: INC # 61 - 04/09/07 18:40,RESPOND RCR,PYRITES RD,DAWESLEY, MAP 162 K 10 ,,CNR OF SYDNEY. 2 ENTRAPMENTS.,1279*CFSRES:


oh dear....

well that might teach people to stop fiddling with responses, and playing games.
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2007, 07:15:33 PM »
i was about to say the same thing....dear oh dear

SPILL ONLY CORNER OF SYDNEY NO PERSON TRAPPED CALL FROM POLICE

2 ENTRAPMENTS

clearly very opposite responses, while its concerning that its a call from police.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2007, 07:17:32 PM by Dezza »
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2007, 07:26:20 PM »
Shouldn't that have also been an automatic 2 rescue brigade response?

note, it may have also been the result of a secondary accident...
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2007, 07:28:06 PM »
It says "call from Police" - which doesn't necessarily mean that police are on scene - it may be that someone called the police abut the crash, and the police took that info & passed it on to the fire service.....

This is one of these jobs that show why a rescue brigade should be dispatched to all reports of road crashes, regardless of info saying "no persons trapped" - which I thought was meant to be the protocol..... ?

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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2007, 07:28:06 PM »
mmmm....

looks like unfortunately ya cant trust anyone regardless of where the call is from.. ;)

anyway, this is why the RCRD states that fire AND RESCUE must be sent to all prangs outside of metro area. one has to wonder why the original page for a VA did not have rescue on it.... :|

CFSFirey - shud have been local fire + 1st rescue? listening to the scanner, believe single accident only...?
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2007, 07:33:15 PM »
2 rescue crews for 2 persons traped in they are in different cars otehr wise you have too many people working on the one car kinda hard to have 2 rescue crews and a handfull of ambos plus a few occupents of the car
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2007, 08:06:11 PM »
and meanwhile...

MFS: INC # 67 - 04/09/07 19:33,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,45 SERENADE CR,ABERFOYLE PARK, MAP 166 D14 ,,SPILL ONLY,439 8032*CFSRES:


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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2007, 08:20:15 PM »
Happy Valley Pumper gave a stop to 439.
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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2007, 08:55:31 PM »
 1908904 18:27:51 04-09-07 MFS: INC # 61 - 04/09/07 18:28,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,PYRITES RD,DAWESLEY, MAP 162 K 10 ,,SPILL ONLY CORNER OF SYDNEY NO PERSON TRAPPED CALL FROM POLICE,1298 1288*CFSRES:

1908911 18:39:06 04-09-07 MFS: INC # 61 - 04/09/07 18:40,RESPOND RCR,PYRITES RD,DAWESLEY, MAP 162 K 10 ,,CNR OF SYDNEY. 2 ENTRAPMENTS.,1279*CFSRES:


Oops guess people shouldn't rely on the info given over the phone :oops:
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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2007, 08:59:05 PM »
Quote from: Mundcfs on September 04, 2007, 08:55:31 PM
1908904 18:27:51 04-09-07 MFS: INC # 61 - 04/09/07 18:28,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,PYRITES RD,DAWESLEY, MAP 162 K 10 ,,SPILL ONLY CORNER OF SYDNEY NO PERSON TRAPPED CALL FROM POLICE,1298 1288*CFSRES:

1908911 18:39:06 04-09-07 MFS: INC # 61 - 04/09/07 18:40,RESPOND RCR,PYRITES RD,DAWESLEY, MAP 162 K 10 ,,CNR OF SYDNEY. 2 ENTRAPMENTS.,1279*CFSRES:


Oops guess people shouldn't rely on the info given over the phone :oops:

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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2007, 09:07:54 PM »
HA HA HA HA HA HA the flu is slowing me down a bit at the moment back to bed before i embarrass myself some more :-D
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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2007, 09:15:53 PM »
1924962 19:15:02 04-09-07 GO181 Cat2 Winery Rd, Currency Creek POLICE REQUIRED

1924962 19:17:12 04-09-07 HM2 Cat2 Winery Rd, Currency Creek POLICE REQUIRED

1924962 19:31:25 04-09-07 V126 Cat2 Winery Rd, Currency Creek POLICE REQUIRED

1908073 19:48:06 04-09-07 MFS: INC # 69 - 04/09/07 19:49,RESPOND LIGHTING,CURRENCY CREEK ,CURRENCY CREEK, MAP 0 0 0 ,,PROVIDE LIGHTING FOR CASUALTY RETRIEVAL. WINERY RD HALF KM FROM MAIN RD. P2,73229*CFSRES:

1908892 20:25:42 04-09-07 MFS: INC # 71 - 04/09/07 20:26,RESPOND Assist SAAS,STRATHALBYN-GOOLWA RD,CURRENCY CREEK, MAP 301 D 2 ,,CORNER WINERY RD, ASSIST SES WITH TRAFFIC CONTROL FOR HELICOPTER RETRIEVAL,18324*CFSRES:

I guess closest resource doesn't count for much. :|

 




 

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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2007, 09:24:05 PM »
Interesting radio chat a few minutes before the last message - Currency Creek Captain came up on air, and requested that Adelaide Fire Respond Currency Creek, to the scene (which he gave location details) for traffic control only, and stressed at least twice, that the page include "Priority 2" ...the message came out a bit different..

However, having said that, I am not aware of what other radio (or phone) messages might have come through - so other services on scene might have requested the assistance, at about the same time...however, if not, you have to question the content of the paged message...

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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2007, 09:31:03 PM »
Have a slight issue with it being possibly a VA with the pager No 4962 coming up with the ambulance but can't confirm that it could be anything???

But Currency creek should have been responded initially possibly with Goolwa as we have sufficient lighting, and i highly doubt that the ses would have got there before the chopper would have as they were flying in the area within 20 mins of the SES's pagers dropping. :|

Unfortunatly down here quite a few of the paramedics at Victor Harbour see the SES as the be all and end all, and respond them to everything even if there's a closer resource than them.
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Re: Incorrect rescue responses
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2007, 02:23:04 PM »
Quote from: Dezza on September 04, 2007, 08:20:15 PM
Happy Valley Pumper gave a stop to 439.

after they arrived and confirmed no persons trapped... my point was that the exact same situation arose (report of spill only) and yet MFS responded one fo there appliance... (which i agree they should do, was pointing out the inconsistency)
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Re: Incorrect rescue responses
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2007, 05:05:02 PM »
Quote from: Mundcfs on September 04, 2007, 09:15:53 PM
1924962 19:15:02 04-09-07 GO181 Cat2 Winery Rd, Currency Creek POLICE REQUIRED

1924962 19:17:12 04-09-07 HM2 Cat2 Winery Rd, Currency Creek POLICE REQUIRED

1924962 19:31:25 04-09-07 V126 Cat2 Winery Rd, Currency Creek POLICE REQUIRED

three differant SAAS callsigns... but all went to the same pager? or pager group...


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Have a slight issue with it being possibly a VA with the pager No 4962 coming up with the ambulance but can't confirm that it could be anything???

why does that make it a VA?
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Re: Incorrect rescue responses
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2007, 07:04:40 PM »
Quote from: Mundcfs on September 04, 2007, 09:31:03 PM
Have a slight issue with it being possibly a VA with the pager No 4962 coming up with the ambulance but can't confirm that it could be anything???

But Currency creek should have been responded initially possibly with Goolwa as we have sufficient lighting, and i highly doubt that the ses would have got there before the chopper would have as they were flying in the area within 20 mins of the SES's pagers dropping. :|

Unfortunatly down here quite a few of the paramedics at Victor Harbour see the SES as the be all and end all, and respond them to everything even if there's a closer resource than them.

It has nothing to do with the Paramedics. - They will notify SAAS Comms of the need for either Fire service or Police, SAAS Comms will call either Police and Adelaide Fire, and the response goes from their.
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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2007, 09:20:25 PM »
Actually if the local crews ask for a particular service they normally get it. Seen it happen lots.

As for that pager id No. it always comes up for MVA's etc but also for similar things on private land (person off motorbike etc).
But it still could have been anything.
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Re: Incorrect rescue responses
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2007, 10:58:35 PM »
Yes, could have indeed been anything meeting the "Failed Secondary Survey" critera.  From unc. Collapses to chest pain cases.. The list is almost endless.

Even if the Crews at the scene ask for Rescue or SES as Rescue, it would be up to adelaide fire to respond the service appropriate to the response plans/guidelines.

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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2007, 11:34:29 PM »
Quote from: RescueHazmat on September 05, 2007, 10:58:35 PM
Yes, could have indeed been anything meeting the "Failed Secondary Survey" critera.  From unc. Collapses to chest pain cases.. The list is almost endless.

I thought an unconscious collapse would be Failed Primary?
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« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2007, 11:47:39 PM »
It depends.. - They could be unconcious but have an open airway, be breathing fine, have a strong pulse, responding to physical touch however seem to be in an unc. state or some form of LOC. (Almost fits everyone that collapses from being rather drunk doesn't it..  :-P)

However an unconcious collapse, Non breathing, or impeded airway/ no pulse or under resus would be a failed Primary. - Cat1.
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Re: Incorrect rescue responses
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2007, 11:51:13 PM »
Ok, thanks :)
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Re: Incorrect rescue responses
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2007, 11:56:08 PM »
comm's operator: is the person responsive?
caller:no
(comm's operator thinks Cat 1 unresponsive...ehh then randomly asks)
comm's operator: ehh..smell his/her breath for me
caller does so...just as the person awakens to chuck   :wink:
comm's operator: have a good day
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Re: Incorrect rescue responses
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2007, 12:57:05 PM »
Quote from: Mundcfs on September 05, 2007, 09:20:25 PM
As for that pager id No. it always comes up for MVA's etc but also for similar things on private land (person off motorbike etc).
But it still could have been anything.

sorry still not quite sure what you mean... this number 1924962 is the pager capcode.
doesnt have anythign to do with what the message is, it is purely the adress the message has been sent to. whether this is a group that all higher category responses go to or what i dont know... but i cant see how it tells anyone what kind of job it is...
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Re: Incorrect rescue responses
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2007, 12:58:20 PM »
for example...

this capcode just came up for a grassfire response - 1908970

but next time it comes up, doenst mean its another grassfire, just means that someone has paged happy valleys alarm adress....


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