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Re: Quick response
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2008, 07:10:05 AM »
I've meet the minister she came out to our station one day she has not got a clue about Emergency Services in this state.

She spent the whole time being told about things by us or one of her advisers.

I don't think CFS has put a proper submission forward to the minister but I could be wrong.

The only 4x4 appliance MFS have are their little 14's (ROSA) and as for the NSW campaign MFS guys were split up onto CFS appliances and only drove if they have been in the CFS with experience in driving the then Hino appliances!

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Re: Quick response
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2008, 07:29:04 AM »
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I've meet the minister she came out to our station one day she has not got a clue about Emergency Services in this state.

She spent the whole time being told about things by us or one of her advisers.

I don't think CFS has put a proper submission forward to the minister but I could be wrong.

i believe that you are probably very correct with those statements.

just have to hope the next emergency service's nuffer will have a bit more of a clue of what actually goes on...

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Re: Quick response
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2008, 08:11:35 AM »
I've meet the minister she came out to our station one day she has not got a clue about Emergency Services in this state.

She spent the whole time being told about things by us or one of her advisers.

I don't think CFS has put a proper submission forward to the minister but I could be wrong.

The only 4x4 appliance MFS have are their little 14's (ROSA) and as for the NSW campaign MFS guys were split up onto CFS appliances and only drove if they have been in the CFS with experience in driving the then Hino appliances!


Ummmm, think they have a few more 4x4's than that, but yeah anyway.
The guy from MFS on my truck had never been on a CFS truck in his life, we gave him a quick run down, he had driven the 4x4 Hino's MFS had, so was more than capable.

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Re: Quick response
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2008, 10:57:49 AM »
To me on one hand the MFS say we specialise in structure fires and the CFS specialise in grass/bush fires,so i find it hard to grasp whenever there is talk of a need for payed Firefighters the MFS want to do both???

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« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2008, 02:22:21 PM »
MFS stations in the country have 4x4 appliances. There are the ROSA`s as well as 4x4 medium pumps in stations like Renmark, Port Lincoln etc. Like I said MFS firefighters are trained to fight rural fires.

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Re: Quick response
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2008, 03:35:14 PM »
I know i work for the MFS,not every one in the MFS is trained.

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Re: Quick response
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2008, 03:42:33 PM »
Be realistic.....fighting fire is not rocket science! we take average joes off the street give them a weekend course then throw them on the front line....

be they mfs or cfs they are more than capable to fight both rural or urban fires with the correct training.

we say mfs specialise in urban and cfs in rural but realistically you throw either service into a situation and they will deal with it.
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« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2008, 03:56:39 PM »
I know i work for the MFS,not every one in the MFS is trained.

Well they should be. I do too and I am trained.

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Re: Quick response
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2008, 04:20:07 PM »
This might seem like a stupid question but:-
a) if SAMFS can fight rural fires & CFS can combat structural fires
b) there is SAMFS in rural areas & CFS in metro/semi metro areas
c) and some SAMFS volunteer with CFS & some CFS want to get paid
d and CFS has urban appliances & SAMFS has off road/ rural appliances
Why do we have two fire services?
I know there is historical reasons but are those reasons still valid?
Seems to me that you guys are basically think that small paid quick attack teams are a good idea - its just who will staff them.
And the comments about the latest minister may be true thats why she has advisors & who advisers the advisors - our senior officers (including CEO's of the three services), so therefore don't be so surprised if she does not have the full picture.
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Re: Quick response
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2008, 04:34:59 PM »
SA is very much history/tradition focused.

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Re: Quick response
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2008, 07:37:43 PM »
To quote an MFS Station Officer "We only have two seasons,House Fire Season and Grass Fire Season"  :-D
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Re: Quick response
« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2008, 10:03:21 PM »
Roll on the ministerial reshuffel,Bye Bye minister Zollo and Brad hopefully.
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Re: Quick response
« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2008, 09:05:34 AM »
Hear Hear to that!

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Re: Quick response
« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2008, 06:23:13 PM »
To quote an MFS Station Officer "We only have two seasons,House Fire Season and Grass Fire Season"  :-D

You forgot 'false alarm' season - oh hang on, that's all year round  :-D

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« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2008, 06:44:16 PM »
To quote an MFS Station Officer "We only have two seasons,House Fire Season and Grass Fire Season"  :-D

You forgot 'false alarm' season - oh hang on, that's all year round  :-D
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Re: Quick response
« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2008, 08:07:57 PM »
Be realistic.....fighting fire is not rocket science! we take average joes off the street give them a weekend course then throw them on the front line....

damn...and here I was thinking I could join a metro fringe CFS unit because I can spell and pronounce phrases like:

"wet stuff on the hot stuff"

"water on"

"water off"
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Re: Quick response
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2008, 08:02:32 AM »
Totally disagree with your statement COMP00.

Don’t know what game you guys play at your station but once our guys complete their BFF1 they are not fed to the lions! They are always mentored by Senior Fire Fighters or senior members at training and incidents so they are learning the right stuff and safely and only one probie is allowed on each appliance to an incident.

Once the Captain is content with their development then they loose the probationary statue and become Fire Fighters.

See COMP00 if you did join one of those urban fringe brigades you would learn phrases like skills development & skills maintenance.

By the way under the FGP's it's "Turn on" and "Knock off"

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Re: Quick response
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2008, 06:47:33 PM »
Totally disagree with your statement COMP00.

Don’t know what game you guys play at your station but once our guys complete their BFF1 they are not fed to the lions! They are always mentored by Senior Fire Fighters or senior members at training and incidents so they are learning the right stuff and safely and only one probie is allowed on each appliance to an incident.

Once the Captain is content with their development then they loose the probationary statue and become Fire Fighters.

See COMP00 if you did join one of those urban fringe brigades you would learn phrases like skills development & skills maintenance.

By the way under the FGP's it's "Turn on" and "Knock off"


Hey fair enough...it was a generic statement.  You have to remember the CFS is mostly made up of rural brigades and not well trained, high callout city fringe brigades and my statement rings true in alot of those brigades.

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Re: Quick response
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2008, 06:55:45 PM »
Totally disagree with your statement COMP00.

Don’t know what game you guys play at your station but once our guys complete their BFF1 they are not fed to the lions! They are always mentored by Senior Fire Fighters or senior members at training and incidents so they are learning the right stuff and safely and only one probie is allowed on each appliance to an incident.

Once the Captain is content with their development then they loose the probationary statue and become Fire Fighters.

See COMP00 if you did join one of those urban fringe brigades you would learn phrases like skills development & skills maintenance.

By the way under the FGP's it's "Turn on" and "Knock off"


You've gotta agree tho that no level of training really truly prepares you for a big fire....

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Re: Quick response
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2008, 07:28:43 PM »
If we can train and mentor probational CFS members to fight bushfires, why can't we train and mentor experienced SAMFS fire fighters?  Then they can take over, and we can go back to our jobs and families while they risk their lives for us...

I think paid CFS fire fighters could work well in quite a few urban fringe brigades, but I would only ever suggest a 8-5 shift, there is no need at all for 24/7 manning.

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Re: Quick response
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2008, 09:06:17 PM »
Yep totaly agree
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Re: Quick response
« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2008, 06:31:09 AM »
Agree CFS_Firey that some busy CFS urban fringe brigades could have paid day staff but I'm sure that there are some large regional areas that could benefit from it as well.

The way the system is now it's all over the show where there is CFS vol stations doing more calls than MFS retained, that sometimes have the same day time crewing issues as CFS.

I think SAFECOM need to have a better strategic plan in place that aids the tactical response of both services, or maybe South Australia has just one service "South Australian Fire & Emergency Services" Where there is a tiered system once a vounteer brigade becomes to busy it changes to retained to assist its staff remunerate the cost of going to the station all the time and other associated costs. Then once the station is extremely busy it becomes full-time all of this would obviously take time and development of local areas before it changed a stations status due to population density.

Another spin off of this is maybe the government could be able to cut down on Regional officers and District officers where the two overlap in areas (not 100% sure there!). One dedicated training department instead of two and I’m sure other departments may be duplicated in both services.

Just a reflection!

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« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2008, 08:01:30 AM »
Mate a totally brilliant plan!
And following on from the Lead agency model - there is some other areas of duplication that could be removed as well, at least at the higher levels.
Congratulations you have shown us a future that will deliver best practice service delivery to the state at a price it can afford.
Now for the bad news:-
There would be a need to remove the politics (internal & external)out of it!
There would also be a need for individuals/ groups to forget the past and move forward, can this be done? Can the services handle the shock without compromising service delivery?
There would need to be an honest Risk assessment, capability audit & if required additional funding accross the whole state - not just Adelaide.
Here is a bit out of the QLD Act that deals with Combined "Emergency Service Units"
The functions of an ES unit are any of the following functions the
chief executive considers appropriate for the unit—
(a) an SES function;
(b) fire fighting or fire prevention.
(2) To decide the functions of an ES unit, the chief executive must have
regard to the following—
(a) the needs of the community in the emergency service area for the
unit;
(b) whether the members of the unit have the abilities to competently
perform the functions;
(c) the resources available to the unit;
(d) whether the unit can appropriately maintain the equipment
necessary for the unit to perform the functions.
If we are looking at such a major change to the Fire services, then something like the above should be considered at the same time.
Having spent time reading the QLD Act it has opened my eyes, to the future which as long as due consideration to the whole state & all the different emergergencies (not just fire) is given then it could be a good thing :wink:
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