Hamburg Fire Service

[Rainer]

Hi All,

Some Pics of Hamburg Fire appliance (typical) and ambulance .

Also to show how narrow streets are here.

The Hamburg fire service also does all the ambulance work for the city of Hamburg and firefighters are also trained as paramedics. Typically working 12 hours of ambulance and 12 as a firey.

The Hamburg fire service has 22 fire stations of which 5 are specialist and 17 are combined fire/ambulance and a further 10 stations which are ambulance only.

At our station we have a full "löschzug" which is comprised of two pump rescues a 30m ladder and a command vehicle and 5 ambulances one of which is at an outstation and one is cross manned.
Station website is at, http://www.feuerwache-stellingen.de/

I am mostly on the PR´s but also ride on the ambulances.

Im happy to answer any questions.

Cheers
Rainer

PS pics to follw as soon as I work out how to resize them

[Rainer]

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[Rainer]

pictures

[SA Firey]

Nice shots Rainer, and you thought MFS pumpers carried lots of gear!!

[rescue5271]

Nice photos, What do you think of the hose layer on wheels???

[Rainer]

The Hoselayer or "haspel" carries 6 lengths of 70mm (or "B" hose) at 20m per length.

Saves huge amount of space in lockers and be used as attack or supply hose as all couplings in Germany are storz.  The new model comes with the hydrant and key fitted to it so that setting up a hydrant is a one trip job.
The Haspel is very easy to dismount from the vehicle (5 seconds) and can fold out of the way as well.

I forgot to mention before that there are 87 volunteer brigades in Hamburg which are part of the Hamburg Fire Service!!! Same proceedures, comms, training, equipment etc etc..

If they can do it why couldnt we ?

Food for thought

Cheers
Rainer

[jaff]

Great looking appliances and apparentley well stowed Rainer!....I would like to order one,...so "can I have a Hamburg with the lot"

[Zippy]

I forgot to mention before that there are 87 volunteer brigades in Hamburg which are part of the Hamburg Fire Service!!! Same proceedures, comms, training, equipment etc etc..

If they can do it why couldnt we ?

Food for thought

Something we can only dream to have for the people of SA.

I like the way stowage is organised on the 112 appliance.  Take that and compare it to a CFS 34P, it really puts CFS appliance design into the dunny.

[disOrderly]

Cool looking trucks!

FYI zippy, 112 is the emergency number in Germany

[Alan J]

I forgot to mention before that there are 87 volunteer brigades in Hamburg which are part of the Hamburg Fire Service!!! Same proceedures, comms, training, equipment etc etc..

If they can do it why couldnt we ?

How unionised is the Hamburg Fire Service?
How militant is the union?
How generous are the laws governing f/f leave from work?
Is their volunteer model perhaps closer to the SAAS model, where volunteers
live at the station for 1 (or more) 12hr shift per week?

I'd argue there's no reason, but then, I'm a vollie, & my job isn't 'threatened'
by vollies. 

cheers

[Rainer]

I forgot to mention before that there are 87 volunteer brigades in Hamburg which are part of the Hamburg Fire Service!!! Same proceedures, comms, training, equipment etc etc..

If they can do it why couldnt we ?

How unionised is the Hamburg Fire Service?

The Hamburg fire service has a union which represents the fire service country wide with a branch in Hamburg.
The majority of firefighters arent in the union and as such the union isnt very militant (answering your second question)

How militant is the union?

Answered

How generous are the laws governing f/f leave from work?

The law required employers to allow volunteer firefighters to attend firecalls and the fireservice pays the employer the hourly value rate of the firefighter during his/her absence whilst attending a call....However employers dont like employing firefighters because they are never there and despite the fact that they get the hourly rate back the true value of the employee (ie the work they do) is never recovered.

As a result of this the volunteers do not attend any minor incidents at all leaving that to the full time brigades. This results in the volunteers only being called to actual "going" incidents which is actually OK because when the pager goes at least they arent leaving family or work to clean up an oil spill or go to alarms etc etc.
 

Is their volunteer model perhaps closer to the SAAS model, where volunteers
live at the station for 1 (or more) 12hr shift per week?

No they dont live at the station at all...Of course all the units who think that volunteering is more important than being employed still hang around the station like they do at home. But cant leave the station without a Lt anyway.

I'd argue there's no reason, but then, I'm a vollie, & my job isn't 'threatened'
by vollies. 

Theres no one being threatened by anyone in Germany a set of rules is applied using risk and response based criteria as to whether a full time station needs to exist and if the model says yes then a full time station WILL be created no ifs buts or maybes.


cheers

[Alan J]

Theres no one being threatened by anyone in Germany a set of rules is applied using risk and response based criteria as to whether a full time station needs to exist and if the model says yes then a full time station WILL be created no ifs buts or maybes.

I was actually thinking in the opposite direction - if the matrix says the risks
don't warrant a full-time station... 

The payments to employers system sounds similar to ADF reserves.
Proof it can be made to work if the political will is there.
Government is still transferring part of the cost of emergency response onto employers,
but not as severe as here.  At least employees aren't picking up the tab.

How does Hamburg Fire Service handle payments to self-employed ?

cheers

[brenjoe]

nice!