Author Topic: SAAS Responding Other Services.. (Read 344452 times)

PF_ · « **Reply #250 on:** September 30, 2006, 11:13:41 PM »

Yeah, SOCC should ensure a fire service crew are responded to all MVA's. It is easy for a crew to rock up and say no were not needed here its all good, and go back to their station.

medevac · « **Reply #251 on:** September 30, 2006, 11:27:07 PM »

Quote from: P F on September 30, 2006, 11:13:41 PM

Yeah, SOCC should ensure a fire service crew are responded to all MVA's. It is easy for a crew to rock up and say no were not needed here its all good, and go back to their station.

and how can this be done if the original call taking agency doesnt notify the fire service?

PF_ · « **Reply #252 on:** September 30, 2006, 11:33:23 PM »

well whoever takes the call then

medevac · « **Reply #253 on:** September 30, 2006, 11:50:25 PM »

ur right mate, they are meant to....

the RCR resource directory has clear guidelines about responses

RescueHazmat · « **Reply #254 on:** October 01, 2006, 12:08:09 AM »

I would like to re-enforce Medevac's post. - Since it seems some are all to quick to give a very public bashing of other services without often knowing the facts.

All that is seen on the pager website messages that were posted, is the SAAS response - no SAPOL (as the function is not supported/ possible), and would have shown subsequent / previous fire service / SES responses if they occured.

This is where I point particular attention to Medevac's message. - If SAAS received the call from SAPOL, (knowing the SAPOL responses are not seen), they are under nil (no) obligation to contact fire / rescue authorities - as they are not the service taking the original call.

If they were the service who took the call, then yes, it is questionable as to why the other services were not responded.

Is it known 100% who took the call, or is it a guess and straight to the blame game?

SA Firey · « **Reply #255 on:** October 01, 2006, 11:23:43 AM »

If SAPOL's policy is to notify SAAS on a MVA that comes through their Comcen then why not the Fire Service?

Every MVA has the potential not only for entrapments but risk of fire as well,better to be safe than sorry

Im with you Medevac

I think its about time some of us brought this up at VFBA to get the ball rolling in the right direction, for the safety of all

PF_ · « **Reply #256 on:** October 01, 2006, 11:28:08 AM »

hey why is MEdevac getting the credit for sticking up for SAAS and saying it isnt their fault if no fire is called and it should the the orginal despatcher. I made those claims first.

SA Firey · « **Reply #257 on:** October 01, 2006, 11:37:28 AM »

Quote from: Roddick on October 01, 2006, 11:28:08 AM

hey why is MEdevac getting the credit for sticking up for SAAS and saying it isnt their fault if no fire is called and it should the the orginal despatcher. I made those claims first.

What we are saying is why dont thay pass the info on when thay get the call

RescueHazmat · « **Reply #258 on:** October 01, 2006, 12:16:47 PM »

^ They are only obliged if they take the *original* call from the member of the public. If SAPOL or Fire Service notify them of a job and ask them to attend, all they are required to do is send resources, not notify other agencies.

So when people see SAAS going to a job, and instantly jump up and down bagging them for not calling other agencies, maybe they should find out who took the original call first..

Toast · « **Reply #259 on:** October 01, 2006, 04:35:29 PM »

Now, if everyone would stop whining about the issues here and realise that this has been acknowledged hence the move to SACAD.

backburn · « **Reply #260 on:** October 01, 2006, 05:03:05 PM »

We have never been responded to MVA by SAAS only to fires. The police normally call us if they remember.

medevac · « **Reply #261 on:** October 01, 2006, 08:38:32 PM »

Quote from: safirey on October 01, 2006, 11:23:43 AM

If SAPOL's policy is to notify SAAS on a MVA that comes through their Comcen then why not the Fire Service?

Sapol dont hava a policy as such... its just common sense to send SAAS to every MVA. However, per the RCR directory, they are required to send fire/rescue to all MVAs outside 'metro area' (now theres a loose term)

medevac · « **Reply #262 on:** October 01, 2006, 08:40:34 PM »

Quote from: backburn on October 01, 2006, 05:03:05 PM

We have never been responded to MVA by SAAS only to fires. The police normally call us if they remember.

Although SAPOL may give you an MVA via alerts, SAAS will never do so. Unlike SAPOl who may take the call locally in some areas, all of SAAS' calls go direct to there centralised comm centre in adelaide. If they recieve a call for an MVA, they will contact the fire service via direct line to there commcen.

Alan (Big Al) · « **Reply #263 on:** October 14, 2006, 11:54:05 PM »

1924962 18:59:55 14-10-06 V181 Cat2 Randell Rd, Hindmarsh Island 308 B8
1924962 18:58:42 14-10-06 V181 Cat2 Randell Rd, Hindmarsh Island 308 B8
1916081 18:58:39 14-10-06 V181 Cat2 Randell Rd, Hindmarsh Island 308 B8
1908891 19:15:56 14-10-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: GOOLWA RESPOND MVA RANDELL RD, HINDMARSH ISLAND, SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER, 1 PERSON TRAPPED, 5KMS FROM HINDMARSH ISLAND BRIDGE.... < 14/10/2006 19:15:42

1908893 19:15:54 14-10-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: GOOLWA RESPOND MVA RANDELL RD, HINDMARSH ISLAND, SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER, 1 PERSON TRAPPED, 5KMS FROM HINDMARSH ISLAND BRIDGE.... < 14/10/2006 19:15:42

1924962 19:21:22 14-10-06 GO181 Cat2 Randell Rd, Hindmarsh Island

1908891 19:25:40 14-10-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: CURRENCY CREEK RESPOND MVA RANDELL RD, HINDMARSH ISLAND, SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER, 1 PERSON TRAPPED, 5KMS FROM HINDMARSH ISLAND BRIDGE.... < 14/10/2006 19:25:28

1908892 19:25:39 14-10-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: CURRENCY CREEK RESPOND MVA RANDELL RD, HINDMARSH ISLAND, SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER, 1 PERSON TRAPPED, 5KMS FROM HINDMARSH ISLAND BRIDGE.... < 14/10/2006

1 person trapped and serious injuries in a end over end roll over and 17 minutes to be called.
Will call headquarters and find out who call came from and grievance forms will definatly be lodged for this one.

squiddy · « **Reply #264 on:** October 15, 2006, 09:56:07 AM »

Quote from: MundCFS on October 14, 2006, 11:54:05 PM

1 person trapped and serious injuries in a end over end roll over and 17 minutes to be called.
Will call headquarters and find out who call came from and grievance forms will definatly be lodged for this one.

That is disgusting.

squiddy · « **Reply #265 on:** October 15, 2006, 12:39:24 PM »

This is very interesting given the topic of this thread...

came from the Advertiser website http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,20584731-5006301,00.html

Mock bus explosion in city
TEGAN SLUGGETT, POLICE REPORTER
October 15, 2006 10:17am

EMERGENCY crews rushed to a simulated bus bombing on North Terrace this morning as part of a national security training exercise.

But the exercise raised questions about the response time of ambulance crews when it took 15 minutes for them to arrive at the scene of the mock explosion, while police and fire crews were on the scene within minutes.

Screams and moans came from "victims" of the bombing - police cadets dressed as injured or dead civilians - who were lying across the sidewalk and inside the bus, and fire crews were forced to drag them out of danger while waiting for ambulance crews to arrive.

Ambulance general manager for emergency and major events Lee Francis said he did not believe ambulance crews were slow to the scene.

"You have to look at what time the ambulance service was notified," he said.

"We will review the response time, but at the moment we are happy with it."

Looks like SAAS are copping a bit of flak from everyone at the moment...

medevac · « **Reply #266 on:** October 15, 2006, 01:08:39 PM »

Quote from: squiddy on October 15, 2006, 12:39:24 PM

"You have to look at what time the ambulance service was notified," he said.

"We will review the response time, but at the moment we are happy with it."

09:09:52 15-10-06 MFS: RESPOND ALARM 10/087 15/10/06 09:09,ADELAIDE EXHIBITION HALL,NORTH TCE ,ADELAIDE, MAP 3 M 3
,,FIP - FIRE CONTROL ROOM OFF NORTH TCE,,41 206 2090*CFSRES:

09:13:18 15-10-06 MFS: TALK GROUP 155

09:13:44 15-10-06 CT74 Cat2 Adelaide Convention Centre . North Tce, Adelaide 118 B9

09:18:05 15-10-06 1of2:GROUP PAGE - "EXERCISE RED LUMINARY" has started - Police report an explosion on bus o/s
Adel Convension Centre - MD and a number of crew responding -
09:18:08 15-10-06 2of2:Do not ring in unless you are on shift - Malcolm

a few response pages for the excercise....

Robert-Robert34 · « **Reply #267 on:** October 15, 2006, 02:51:06 PM »

You can never be too careful

but even though its only a mock exercise all emergency services in response should have had the same response time

bajdas · « **Reply #268 on:** October 16, 2006, 10:25:32 AM »

Quote from: Robert34 on October 15, 2006, 02:51:06 PM

You can never be too careful but even though its only a mock exercise all emergency services in response should have had the same response time

Depends on where the ambulance vehicles were responding from ! MFS trucks would have been from Wakefield St, but maybe the ambo was out at a job and any at hospitals were loading/unloading.

Travel time is the killer even on a Sunday morning.

squiddy · « **Reply #269 on:** October 16, 2006, 11:50:41 AM »

It is now being blamed on a "script error"

Funny that when criticism is levelled there is no "human error"... that's right... blame the tools, never the tools using them...

Robert-Robert34 · « **Reply #270 on:** October 16, 2006, 01:44:08 PM »

There was one interested supervisor/onlooker and that was Adelaide Crows coach Neil Craig who was there watching the exercise and observing how different agencies make decisions and carry out leadership roles

Sounds like Craigy may have a plan for next season

probie_boy · « **Reply #271 on:** October 16, 2006, 02:36:07 PM »

Quote from: Robert34 on October 16, 2006, 01:44:08 PM

There was one interested supervisor/onlooker and that was Adelaide Crows coach Neil Craig who was there watching the exercise and observing how different agencies make decisions and carry out leadership roles

Sounds like Craigy may have a plan for next season

yeah, because terrorist attacks and football go hand in hand.

SA Firey · « **Reply #272 on:** October 16, 2006, 05:13:13 PM »

Quote from: boy of probation on October 16, 2006, 02:36:07 PM

Quote from: Robert34 on October 16, 2006, 01:44:08 PM
There was one interested supervisor/onlooker and that was Adelaide Crows coach Neil Craig who was there watching the exercise and observing how different agencies make decisions and carry out leadership roles

Sounds like Craigy may have a plan for next season

yeah, because terrorist attacks and football go hand in hand.

And now Neil Craig knows how long people have to wait for an ambulance in a emergency

Robert-Robert34 · « **Reply #273 on:** October 16, 2006, 05:54:54 PM »

Very funny safirey

but i think Craigy was focusing more on the response time of SAPOL & MFS as well as their leadership/decision making skills

oz fire · « **Reply #274 on:** October 17, 2006, 12:04:39 PM »

Robert34 - I think thats an oxymoron!

Author Topic: SAAS Responding Other Services.. (Read 344452 times)

PF_

PF_

PF_

Toast

probie_boy