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Forum Suggestions / SAFF BBQ
« on: August 21, 2006, 01:09:24 PM »
Is it about time we have another BBQ?
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The Humour Zone / More jokes
« on: August 15, 2006, 02:30:43 PM »
Lipstick in School -Easy Solution!!
According to a news report, a certain private school in Washington was
recently faced with a unique problem.
A number of 12-year-old girls were beginning to use lipstick and would put
it on in the bathroom. That was fine, but after they put on their lipstick
they would press their lips to the mirror leaving dozens of little lip
prints. Every night the maintenance man would remove them and the next day
the girls would put them back.
Finally, the principal decided that something had to be done. She called
all the girls to the bathroom and met them there with the maintenance man.
She explained that all these lip prints were causing a major problem for the
custodian who had to clean the mirrors every night. To demonstrate how
difficult it had been to clean the mirrors, she asked the maintenance man to
show the girls how much effort was required.
He took out a long-handled squeegee, dipped it in the toilet, and cleaned
the mirror with it. Since then, there have been no lip prints on the
mirror.
There are teachers . . . And then there are educators.
The Plan
In the beginning was the plan.
And then came the Assumptions.
And the Assumptions were without form.
And the Plan was without substance.
And darkness was upon the face of the Workers.
And they spoke amongst themselves, saying,
"It is a crock of sh*t, and it stinketh."
And the Workers went unto their Supervisors and said,
"It is a pail of dung, and none may abide the odour thereof."
And the Supervisors went unto their Managers, saying,
"It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong,
Such that none may abide by it."
And the Managers went unto their Directors, saying,
"It is a vessel of fertilizer, and none may withstand its strength."
And the Directors spoke amongst themselves, saying, one to another,
"It contains that which aids plant growth, and it is very strong."
And the Directors then went unto the Vice Presidents, saying unto them,
"It promotes growth, and it is very powerful."
And the Vice Presidents went unto the President, saying, unto him,
"This new plan will actively promote the growth and vigour
Of the company, with powerful effects."
And the President looked upon the plan,
And saw that it was good.
And the Plan became Policy.
This is how Sh*t Happens.
According to a news report, a certain private school in Washington was
recently faced with a unique problem.
A number of 12-year-old girls were beginning to use lipstick and would put
it on in the bathroom. That was fine, but after they put on their lipstick
they would press their lips to the mirror leaving dozens of little lip
prints. Every night the maintenance man would remove them and the next day
the girls would put them back.
Finally, the principal decided that something had to be done. She called
all the girls to the bathroom and met them there with the maintenance man.
She explained that all these lip prints were causing a major problem for the
custodian who had to clean the mirrors every night. To demonstrate how
difficult it had been to clean the mirrors, she asked the maintenance man to
show the girls how much effort was required.
He took out a long-handled squeegee, dipped it in the toilet, and cleaned
the mirror with it. Since then, there have been no lip prints on the
mirror.
There are teachers . . . And then there are educators.
The Plan
In the beginning was the plan.
And then came the Assumptions.
And the Assumptions were without form.
And the Plan was without substance.
And darkness was upon the face of the Workers.
And they spoke amongst themselves, saying,
"It is a crock of sh*t, and it stinketh."
And the Workers went unto their Supervisors and said,
"It is a pail of dung, and none may abide the odour thereof."
And the Supervisors went unto their Managers, saying,
"It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong,
Such that none may abide by it."
And the Managers went unto their Directors, saying,
"It is a vessel of fertilizer, and none may withstand its strength."
And the Directors spoke amongst themselves, saying, one to another,
"It contains that which aids plant growth, and it is very strong."
And the Directors then went unto the Vice Presidents, saying unto them,
"It promotes growth, and it is very powerful."
And the Vice Presidents went unto the President, saying, unto him,
"This new plan will actively promote the growth and vigour
Of the company, with powerful effects."
And the President looked upon the plan,
And saw that it was good.
And the Plan became Policy.
This is how Sh*t Happens.
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Country Fire Service / CFS FAQ's
« on: August 12, 2006, 01:39:49 AM »
The following thread is for compiling a list of the most frequently asked questions or misunderstandings in relation to the SA Country Fire Service. Please do not discuss these issues here, but rather start a new thread. As more questions appear, I'll add them into this post so that they all appear on the first page.
If you see something incorrect below, and its only minor, it'll be best if you PM me, rather than clutter up this thread. thanks!
Q: Why does CFSRES or URGMSG appear on all response pages even when CFS aren't responded?
A:(From corecutters)
1) From day dot the SAGRN pagers were programed for the Tone 7 to be a response tone.
2) The set prefix (word / symbol that triggered the activation of tone 7 was *CFSRES: or URGMSG.
3) So if MFS send pages to MFS DO's or Stations with pagers, the prefix *CFSRES: will set off tone 7, just like CFS pagers... Despite the fact NO CFS is responding.....
(from Darius)
URGMSG is the same as CFSRES in that it activates tone 7 on the pager, however URGMSG additionally triggers the siren and (optionally) opens the station doors. Hence a brigade can choose slightly different actions for different calls or at different times of day etc. That was the intent anyway, some brigades have CFSRES set the siren and open the doors (making CFSRES and URGMSG the same).
(and finally, from medevac)
[it is used for all services because] CFSRES is a pre-determined part of any response message in the MFS CAD database (same as the 'MFS'prefix, and the date/time)... this is due to the fact that MFS/CFS/SES quite regularly responded together, and it keeps things simple... not having to change/add bits and pieces when it is determined that CFS or SES are apart of the response...
Q: What's a pumper?
A:(from skirkmoe)
By the definition of volume in a pump (not talking pressure here for a moment. but the simple thing is....
1000-2000 lts/min = light pumper
2000-3000 lts/min = medium pumper
3000+ lts/min = pumper
these volumes are usually operated at about 1000kpa or there about 150psi. If you start to talk about high pressure then it's usually 3,500 - 4,000 kpa... so about 3 times what a standard appliance usually runs at.
A standard CFS 24 appliance runs usually a 300GPM, so about 1140 lts/min. A 24P or 34P runs a 500GPM pump.... so 1900 lts/min... so in reality if we call a 24P and 34P a pumper, why can't a standard 24 or 34 also be called a pumper, after all it fits in the same bracket of pumper!
The HE-500 pump that runs on 24P and 34P appliances is only a volume pump, not a pressure as it's only designed to be used around 1000 kpa... (so when people just keep winding them up to get more pressure it usually does pump damage) that's why some of the older type pumpers and new ones have a separate high pressure stage. Some people may remember the old SAMFS Isuzu pumpers that were in Adelaide, glen Osmond and prospect (now based in country stations) but they only had a 500GPM pump also so they were not usually used to boost...
The new Type 2 appliances run a Rosenbaur NH30 I think it's called, it's a multistage 3000lts/min pump.... so on the boarder of medium and pumper status. As also has been stated they have a number of inlets and outlets to be able to boost more effectively....
Anyway I have probably rambled enough for the minute and hope i haven't caused too much confusion.
P.S. - if an appliance is a 'pumper' the stowage is different as has been suggested.... 4xCABA, different hose, PPV etc. I'll try and dig out a stowage list from somewhere....
If you see something incorrect below, and its only minor, it'll be best if you PM me, rather than clutter up this thread. thanks!
Q: Why does CFSRES or URGMSG appear on all response pages even when CFS aren't responded?
A:(From corecutters)
1) From day dot the SAGRN pagers were programed for the Tone 7 to be a response tone.
2) The set prefix (word / symbol that triggered the activation of tone 7 was *CFSRES: or URGMSG.
3) So if MFS send pages to MFS DO's or Stations with pagers, the prefix *CFSRES: will set off tone 7, just like CFS pagers... Despite the fact NO CFS is responding.....
(from Darius)
URGMSG is the same as CFSRES in that it activates tone 7 on the pager, however URGMSG additionally triggers the siren and (optionally) opens the station doors. Hence a brigade can choose slightly different actions for different calls or at different times of day etc. That was the intent anyway, some brigades have CFSRES set the siren and open the doors (making CFSRES and URGMSG the same).
(and finally, from medevac)
[it is used for all services because] CFSRES is a pre-determined part of any response message in the MFS CAD database (same as the 'MFS'prefix, and the date/time)... this is due to the fact that MFS/CFS/SES quite regularly responded together, and it keeps things simple... not having to change/add bits and pieces when it is determined that CFS or SES are apart of the response...
Q: What's a pumper?
A:(from skirkmoe)
By the definition of volume in a pump (not talking pressure here for a moment. but the simple thing is....
1000-2000 lts/min = light pumper
2000-3000 lts/min = medium pumper
3000+ lts/min = pumper
these volumes are usually operated at about 1000kpa or there about 150psi. If you start to talk about high pressure then it's usually 3,500 - 4,000 kpa... so about 3 times what a standard appliance usually runs at.
A standard CFS 24 appliance runs usually a 300GPM, so about 1140 lts/min. A 24P or 34P runs a 500GPM pump.... so 1900 lts/min... so in reality if we call a 24P and 34P a pumper, why can't a standard 24 or 34 also be called a pumper, after all it fits in the same bracket of pumper!
The HE-500 pump that runs on 24P and 34P appliances is only a volume pump, not a pressure as it's only designed to be used around 1000 kpa... (so when people just keep winding them up to get more pressure it usually does pump damage) that's why some of the older type pumpers and new ones have a separate high pressure stage. Some people may remember the old SAMFS Isuzu pumpers that were in Adelaide, glen Osmond and prospect (now based in country stations) but they only had a 500GPM pump also so they were not usually used to boost...
The new Type 2 appliances run a Rosenbaur NH30 I think it's called, it's a multistage 3000lts/min pump.... so on the boarder of medium and pumper status. As also has been stated they have a number of inlets and outlets to be able to boost more effectively....
Anyway I have probably rambled enough for the minute and hope i haven't caused too much confusion.
P.S. - if an appliance is a 'pumper' the stowage is different as has been suggested.... 4xCABA, different hose, PPV etc. I'll try and dig out a stowage list from somewhere....
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Forum Suggestions / FAQ's
« on: August 11, 2006, 04:02:43 PM »
Darius (I think!) mentioned somewhere that firefrog should set up a frequently asked questions (FAQ) section where all the frequently asked questions are already answered (Like the use of CFSRES, station numbers etc).
Should I set up an FAQ thread in some topics where we can compile a list of all the frequently asked questions and their answers?
So using that example, there would be a thread called "FAQ" in 'Country Fire Service', possibly sticky, where we can compile all the answers to the most commonly asked questions (or misunderstandings), that come up about the CFS on these forums...
Your thoughts?
Should I set up an FAQ thread in some topics where we can compile a list of all the frequently asked questions and their answers?
So using that example, there would be a thread called "FAQ" in 'Country Fire Service', possibly sticky, where we can compile all the answers to the most commonly asked questions (or misunderstandings), that come up about the CFS on these forums...
Your thoughts?
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OFF Topic / 2006 Census
« on: August 09, 2006, 10:41:27 PM »
Did anyone put "SA Country Fire Service" as their religion? Its close enough to one for some people 
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SA Firefighter General / Response SOPs
« on: August 06, 2006, 11:29:44 PM »
Carrying on from the Amusing pager messages thread, about whether responding Rescue/Fire/Ambulance/Police is necessary for ALL MVA's.
Obviously, if not much is known about the incident, and no one is on scene, expect the worst and respond everyone. However, if there is an emergency service on scene, why can't they put a stop on other services, or decide what services they need (If they come across the incident).
For example, a couple of months ago I heard a regional officer come up on GRN124 and request that a brigade be responded to an MVA he had come across. He specifically said, single motorbike MVA respond XXX brigade to help clean up as there is a minor spillage. SOC rang MFS and MFS responded a fire brigade and a rescue brigade, as per SOPs. Surely with a member of the CFS already on scene, having given a SITREP, they don't need to waste the time and petrol of volunteers from the rescue brigade?
Obviously, if not much is known about the incident, and no one is on scene, expect the worst and respond everyone. However, if there is an emergency service on scene, why can't they put a stop on other services, or decide what services they need (If they come across the incident).
For example, a couple of months ago I heard a regional officer come up on GRN124 and request that a brigade be responded to an MVA he had come across. He specifically said, single motorbike MVA respond XXX brigade to help clean up as there is a minor spillage. SOC rang MFS and MFS responded a fire brigade and a rescue brigade, as per SOPs. Surely with a member of the CFS already on scene, having given a SITREP, they don't need to waste the time and petrol of volunteers from the rescue brigade?
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SA Firefighter General / Paid CFS firefighters
« on: July 29, 2006, 02:30:09 PM »
I know we've discussed this in various other threads, but I don't think its every been discussed as a topic itself.
Would it be possible for the CFS to have paid stations (Similar to what the CFA have)?
I think with the growing problems of volunteer numbers, a paid system could work in some areas.
For example, in Mount Lofty Group, there could a station that had a full crew during the day, and they would respond to any job that happened in the group. That way you could guarantee a fire appliance at any incident in that area, and there would be no need for MFS to build a new station, and get new trucks etc.
So rather than put MFS in Mount Barker (and Bridgewater as suggested in MFS Takover), the CFS could just pay a crew of 5 to sit in those CFS stations during the day (or 24/7). I can't see how it wouldn't work, except for funding...
Would it be possible for the CFS to have paid stations (Similar to what the CFA have)?
I think with the growing problems of volunteer numbers, a paid system could work in some areas.
For example, in Mount Lofty Group, there could a station that had a full crew during the day, and they would respond to any job that happened in the group. That way you could guarantee a fire appliance at any incident in that area, and there would be no need for MFS to build a new station, and get new trucks etc.
So rather than put MFS in Mount Barker (and Bridgewater as suggested in MFS Takover), the CFS could just pay a crew of 5 to sit in those CFS stations during the day (or 24/7). I can't see how it wouldn't work, except for funding...
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Forum Suggestions / Brigade websites
« on: July 28, 2006, 02:43:59 PM »
I've noticed a lot of brigade websites are pretty average when it comes to web design...
Obviously people who want to set up a website should get one of firefrogs deals, but could people benefit from a place were people can discuss brigade websites, collaborate on ideas (like shared content), or get questions answered?
Obviously people who want to set up a website should get one of firefrogs deals,
but could people benefit from a place were people can discuss brigade websites, collaborate on ideas (like shared content), or get questions answered?
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All Equipment discussion / Tanker vs BWC
« on: July 11, 2006, 06:39:14 PM »
What's the deal with the call signs of tankers? A couple of years back it was decided to rename all tankers to BWC(capacity)... Then followed a bit of confusion, and it was my understanding that the name had been changed back...
However it seems different groups are doing things differently - Heysen call their tanker 'Heysen BWC 12' but Mount lofty call their tanker 'Mount Lofty Tanker'.
Is there a directive somewhere that states what is correct?
However it seems different groups are doing things differently - Heysen call their tanker 'Heysen BWC 12' but Mount lofty call their tanker 'Mount Lofty Tanker'.
Is there a directive somewhere that states what is correct?
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SA Firefighter General / Crank - the origin
« on: July 10, 2006, 11:31:35 PM »
Does anyone know where the term 'Crank' originated? Is it just the CFS? for that matter is it only the fire services that use it...? I've only started hearing it in the last year...
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OFF Topic / World cup Italy vs France
« on: July 09, 2006, 07:27:45 PM »
I'm just going to jump right in and say
GO ITALY!!
No real reason...
GO ITALY!!
No real reason...
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SA Firefighter General / Small incident catering
« on: June 16, 2006, 04:58:15 PM »
This is a question to all the services, not just CFS...
What procedures do you have in place for relatively small incidents? For example, if major crash need to investigate an MVA, and you have to sit around for 3 hours providing fire cover, is there a system in place that will make sure you're fed?
I've heard some groups have standard practices to get Pizza / Hamburgers if an incident runs longer than a certain amount of time..? My group has 'strike team packs' on the trucks, but these are only on trucks that go on strike teams, which leaves the long MVA's, house fires, etc. uncovered...
What procedures do you have in place for relatively small incidents? For example, if major crash need to investigate an MVA, and you have to sit around for 3 hours providing fire cover, is there a system in place that will make sure you're fed?
I've heard some groups have standard practices to get Pizza / Hamburgers if an incident runs longer than a certain amount of time..? My group has 'strike team packs' on the trucks, but these are only on trucks that go on strike teams, which leaves the long MVA's, house fires, etc. uncovered...
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The Humour Zone / Yoga Postures
« on: May 18, 2006, 12:45:58 PM »
Just an email I got... The first pic is the Yoga Posture performed by an Indian. The second is the same posture, done by an Irishman..
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Country Fire Service / Busiest brigades
« on: May 08, 2006, 11:26:50 PM »
I don't want start a 'mine is bigger than yours' thread, but I'm wondering who the busiest brigades in the CFS are...
From the promo website, the busiest I can find are: (from last year)
Dalkieth 459
Salisbury 421
Morphett Vale 347
Mount Barker 339
Stirling 325
Does someone have a handy list of who they are, or how the calls are distributed? There was some statistic floating around that only a few percent of brigades attend more than 200 calls a year...
[EDIT] Added Salisbury
From the promo website, the busiest I can find are: (from last year)
Dalkieth 459
Salisbury 421
Morphett Vale 347
Mount Barker 339
Stirling 325
Does someone have a handy list of who they are, or how the calls are distributed? There was some statistic floating around that only a few percent of brigades attend more than 200 calls a year...
[EDIT] Added Salisbury
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Forum Stuff / Basic BB Codes
« on: May 04, 2006, 11:46:13 AM »
Here's a link to a list of available BB codes that work with these forums:
http://docs.simplemachines.org/index.php?topic=57
I was actually looking how you display a title for a link, rather than display the whole URL (as above), so if other people were wondering the same thing, you do it thus:
http://docs.simplemachines.org/index.php?topic=57
I was actually looking how you display a title for a link, rather than display the whole URL (as above), so if other people were wondering the same thing, you do it thus:
Code: [Select]
[url=http://yoursite/]Site Name[/url]
As Opposed to;
[url]http://yoursite/[/url]
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Country Fire Service / FRAG
« on: May 04, 2006, 11:26:33 AM »
I've heard the Frequent Responders Action Group mentioned about the place, but I'm not really sure what they did/do.
As far as I'm aware, they were a group of busy brigades that started to make a fuss and demand more recognition in the mid 90's...
Does anyone know anything more about them, what they did, and whether they are still active?
Their website is no help: http://users.olis.net.au/kyoshi/frag/
As far as I'm aware, they were a group of busy brigades that started to make a fuss and demand more recognition in the mid 90's...
Does anyone know anything more about them, what they did, and whether they are still active?
Their website is no help: http://users.olis.net.au/kyoshi/frag/
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Other Government Agencies / SES/CFS Response Priorities
« on: May 01, 2006, 02:34:31 PM »You will find that P2 for SES means that there is no fire truck going but still a lights and sirens job. P1 means a fire truck is responded too.This is a quote from the "Ammusing pager messages" thread, in reference to the SES responding lights and sirens to a tree down with the CFS.
Matty
Am I to understand from this that the SES has Priority 1 when responding with the fire service, and 2 when they aren't? Presumably P3 is responding without lights and siren?
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Country Fire Service / Wikipedia CFS entry
« on: April 04, 2006, 08:07:37 PM »
Wikipedia, the free online community based encyclopedia has a brief article on the CFS. Its a nice opportunity for CFS volunteers to pitch in and expand it. I can see pages like this being very useful for potential members, as they can give a much more detailed understanding of what the CFS does, and how it works. Its amazing how many potential recruits come along who don't really know much about the CFS and what it does...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_Fire_Service
Feel free to edit the page, and add to it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_Fire_Service
Feel free to edit the page, and add to it!
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SA Firefighter General / Hi-res CFS logo
« on: March 13, 2006, 02:08:40 PM »
Has anyone got (or know where I can get) a copy of the CFS logo (the star) in a high resolution electronic copy? All I can find are crappy thumbail sized jpg's. I'd love a png, or svg. 
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Other Government Agencies / SES Union
« on: January 29, 2006, 02:41:33 PM »
Just wondering if the SES has a union like the SAVFBA?
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Country Fire Service / MFS Wannabe's
« on: November 22, 2005, 06:05:54 PM »
I've noticed a few comments about MFS wannabe's on this site - most of them used in a negative way...
However, from what I can tell, the more like the MFS we are the better! They are the professional service, do things well and proffessionally, they have good training, and plenty of experience... Aren't these things that every CFS brigade strives toward? Why is it a bad thing to want to be more like the mets? in my opinion, the more we learn from them the better, and trying to be different is just counter productive...
What do others think? Is it a bad thing to want to be like SAMFS?
However, from what I can tell, the more like the MFS we are the better! They are the professional service, do things well and proffessionally, they have good training, and plenty of experience... Aren't these things that every CFS brigade strives toward? Why is it a bad thing to want to be more like the mets? in my opinion, the more we learn from them the better, and trying to be different is just counter productive...
What do others think? Is it a bad thing to want to be like SAMFS?
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Country Fire Service / If you worked in CFSHQ
« on: October 28, 2005, 06:42:51 PM »
Its become apparent to me that if some of the SAFF Forumers were in charge of the CFS, it would be a far better organization... so here's a question for you all:
If you worked for CFSHQ, for perhaps a month, what would you realistically change in the CFS, or get done? I say realistically, because we could all say, "Get more funding" or "New trucks for every brigade"...
I think there are a lot of small changes that could be made to greatly improve the CFS, which people at CFSHQ probably haven't thought of... any ideas?
If you worked for CFSHQ, for perhaps a month, what would you realistically change in the CFS, or get done? I say realistically, because we could all say, "Get more funding" or "New trucks for every brigade"...
I think there are a lot of small changes that could be made to greatly improve the CFS, which people at CFSHQ probably haven't thought of... any ideas?
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All Equipment discussion / Electric primers
« on: October 14, 2005, 02:51:14 PM »
Just quickly, does anyone know what type of pumps are used in electric primers? I was trying to remember the types of pumps, and can't remember which type can be used for both air and water... (Power driven pumps that is )
)
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All Equipment discussion / Helmets - structure and rural
« on: September 14, 2005, 09:39:10 AM »
How many brigades out there still have 2 helmets for urban and rural jobs?
We tried it a couple of years back, and it was just plain annoying, not to mention that the rural helmets we had looked like miner's helmets
We tried it a couple of years back, and it was just plain annoying, not to mention that the rural helmets we had looked like miner's helmets
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Country Fire Service / Coromandel Valley Station
« on: September 14, 2005, 09:24:46 AM »
Does anyone know what the antenna-like things on the top of Coro's engine bay are for?
Picture by CFS Promotions Unit (http://www.fire-brigade.asn.au/Station_Display.asp?Service_Code=SACFS&Station_Code=CRML)
Picture by CFS Promotions Unit (http://www.fire-brigade.asn.au/Station_Display.asp?Service_Code=SACFS&Station_Code=CRML)