Author Topic: Delays between MFS calling out CFS (Read 25547 times)

YELLOWS_2 · « **on:** September 21, 2006, 10:41:32 AM »

There has been numerous times in our group where the MFS have had a call out in our area and they dont call us out straight away some times 20 mins after their enitial call does any other brigade have this problem?

they get called out to a scrub fire in our area knock the flames down and then call us out to mop up and they leave the scene its as if they are just using us

medevac · « **Reply #1 on:** September 21, 2006, 10:55:48 AM »

hmmm i think i know where you are talking about LOL....

in some cases i thinks its just that the job may originally come in as MFS area, and so its not until the first arrival that they realise CFS may need to attend...

fire fighter kiki · « **Reply #2 on:** September 21, 2006, 11:10:23 AM »

medevac I have the same problem in our group the fire does start in CFS area but MFS do get the call out and not call us in untill 30 mins after first call they get. Plus they dont always call us out either so mate.

Toast · « **Reply #3 on:** September 21, 2006, 01:11:08 PM »

A fire appliance attends the fire, extinguishes the fire. Where is the problem?

oz fire · « **Reply #4 on:** September 21, 2006, 03:23:32 PM »

and I'm sure you have all put in a grievance form as per the SOP's identifying that MFS still aren't calling the appropriate services at the appropriate times!

Lucky we are not SES, apparently MFS have stuffed up over half of their turnouts!

24P · « **Reply #5 on:** September 21, 2006, 05:53:53 PM »

Quote from: Toast on September 21, 2006, 01:11:08 PM

A fire appliance attends the fire, extinguishes the fire. Where is the problem?

If it happened the other way round there would be hell to pay

Camo · « **Reply #6 on:** September 21, 2006, 07:30:12 PM »

Wasnt it only a few weeks ago that a certain union president said that we should stick to doing what we do best, rural fires.

now the MFS are taking over that role. Just let them go, they will come unstuck one day and it will probaly be the coroner that kicks their donkey!

Scania_1 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 21, 2006, 07:56:40 PM »

Dont worry too much about what the president says he doesnt speak for all.

Camo · « **Reply #8 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:03:16 PM »

I realise that.

But in all seriousness it will happen one day where the mfs will respond to a rural fire it will be get out of control and someone will die.

Which probaly could of been avoided if the CFS were called to begin with.

Also does the MFS do any burnover training? If not what would they do if they were caught?

PF_ · « **Reply #9 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:10:44 PM »

strip naked and run through the flames.

jeez what do you think theyd do, theyd get back in their truck and cover themsleves with something.

Manuel · « **Reply #10 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:12:01 PM »

camo--new robert

Camo · « **Reply #11 on:** September 21, 2006, 10:50:03 PM »

Quote from: E on September 21, 2006, 08:12:01 PM

camo--new robert

Thats a bit harsh! Especially coming from you!

I think my comments are justified! Someone who is not trained in that area isnt necessarly going to know what to do.

Manuel · « **Reply #12 on:** September 21, 2006, 10:52:48 PM »

its all in good humor,

PF_ · « **Reply #13 on:** September 21, 2006, 11:03:15 PM »

Quote from: Camo on September 21, 2006, 10:50:03 PM

Quote from: E on September 21, 2006, 08:12:01 PM
camo--new robert

Thats a bit harsh! Especially coming from you!

I think my comments are justified! Someone who is not trained in that area isnt necessarly going to know what to do.

thats a bit harsh considering you are making a side insult to Robert in that comment also.

Any firefighter will know that when there is a burnover you get in the truck and cover yourself until the fire has passed. You need some re-education on basic human thoughts, impulse and common sense. Dont be a tool.

CFS_Firey · « **Reply #14 on:** September 21, 2006, 11:04:35 PM »

I agree with Camo - they might not know what to do, or have the right equipment on board... Do SAMFS trucks have fire/woollen blankets to hide under?
BA in the cab would be usefull though!

Manuel · « **Reply #15 on:** September 21, 2006, 11:13:22 PM »

I agree with PF, MFS people do have a brain, the test you have to get in require one.

Alan (Big Al) · « **Reply #16 on:** September 21, 2006, 11:42:21 PM »

Quote from: Camo on September 21, 2006, 08:03:16 PM

Also does the MFS do any burnover training? If not what would they do if they were caught?

Easy get the crew to put their BA sets on and drive down the street staying on the bitumen

SA Firey · « **Reply #17 on:** September 22, 2006, 11:11:26 AM »

This has been going on for years and dont think it will stop soon.

There was a house fire a few years ago K99 on arrival C class risk( which we are supposed to be called to) and we never got turned out at all.

Another incident 1 million dollar school fire we were not turned out to assist but get called to wait for it...SMOKE IN AREA......as a result of the school fire...around the corner

GO FIGURE

ISSUES forms definetely went in

YELLOWS_2 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 22, 2006, 12:55:54 PM »

Quote from: Camo on September 21, 2006, 08:03:16 PM

I realise that.

But in all seriousness it will happen one day where the mfs will respond to a rural fire it will be get out of control and someone will die.

Which probaly could of been avoided if the CFS were called to begin with.

Also does the MFS do any burnover training? If not what would they do if they were caught?

i agree 100% with you camo

Firefrog · « **Reply #19 on:** September 22, 2006, 01:12:22 PM »

Yep - been happening for years! I remember sitting in the station one night listening to a going school fire but the SAMFS SO would not upgrade because it meant CFS would get a run. This was confirmed by CFS friendly SAMFS firies who worked their little buts off without any 2nd alarm support.

Another job we got direct on the fire phone, going workshop fire - in SAMFS area but on the boundary. We turned out and responded SAMFS, literally 30 seconds from arrival we where forcefully instructed over the radio to not respond as it is SAMFS area.
Suffice to say we attended anyway!

YELLOWS_2 · « **Reply #20 on:** September 22, 2006, 01:29:00 PM »

Quote from: Firefrog on September 22, 2006, 01:12:22 PM

Yep - been happening for years! I remember sitting in the station one night listening to a going school fire but the SAMFS SO would not upgrade because it meant CFS would get a run. This was confirmed by CFS friendly SAMFS firies who worked their little buts off without any 2nd alarm support.

Another job we got direct on the fire phone, going workshop fire - in SAMFS area but on the boundary. We turned out and responded SAMFS, literally 30 seconds from arrival we where forcefully instructed over the radio to not respond as it is SAMFS area.
Suffice to say we attended anyway!

sounds like something the mfs would do and yet it is ok for them to respond in our area

Firefrog · « **Reply #21 on:** September 22, 2006, 01:33:36 PM »

I should add, these two jobs were about ten years ago - so I'm not commenting on anything current.

Scania_1 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 22, 2006, 03:35:30 PM »

Might come as a shock to some of you but the SAMFS do actually conduct wildfire training and what to do. Aside from that most MFS appliances are not designed to be taken off road and are less likely to be involved in a burnover situation. Except for the 4x4 ones of course.

oz fire · « **Reply #23 on:** September 22, 2006, 03:53:08 PM »

Quote from: ath on September 22, 2006, 03:35:30 PM

Might come as a shock to some of you but the SAMFS do actually conduct wildfire training and what to do. Aside from that most MFS appliances are not designed to be taken off road and are less likely to be involved in a burnover situation. Except for the 4x4 ones of course.

Might come as a shock to many MFS people to know that CFS are the lead agency in the training of Compartment fire fighting and have many crews trained in CABA as well - plus Hazmat, CBR, RCR, USAR etc, etc, etc .......... not just rural fires.

Cuts both ways. We are all adults and in the big world, the community deserves a response by trained, equipped and competent people and of the course the most appropriate response, regardless of the service, colour of their uniform, make of truck or PAY RATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CFS_Firey · « **Reply #24 on:** September 22, 2006, 04:02:15 PM »

oz_fire, where are we the lead agency for CFB? In SA?

Author Topic: Delays between MFS calling out CFS (Read 25547 times)

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